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Post by demetra on Mar 20, 2015 13:00:47 GMT -5
I wonder why the other vamps are in this prison, too. And why did they save Lily? Kai's 2nd hope could be that Bonnie might have a change of heart at some point... who knows That's a suspicious part about Lily's story, why all the vamps agreed that Lily would be the one to get blood and they'd desiccate. It was described as incredibly painful in early seasons. So none of them had second thoughts?? Also, if the day is repeating, they should have been able to go back to the slaughter houses every day to replenish blood. These are questions I doubt the show will address unless the answers in some way augment Lily's character. Yes, it is extremely fishy. It doesn't really make sense that if Bonnie and Kai could get killed in their prison worlds and just wake up the next day as if nothing had happened that the vampires would remain dessicated from day to day. |
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Post by Kiki on Mar 20, 2015 13:09:06 GMT -5
So if Bonnie took the cure in 1994 how could it be still there in 2012? Same goes for the teddy bear. So it looks like the prison worlds are not real history. Everything you do over there has no effect on the present time. So they could timetravel to 1903 (I think Kai said there are only these 2 prison worlds) and take the cure of that time, too. They'd have 2... 2 happy vampires who could become human again. ... and the rest of my theory goes into the Stelena bubble  They addressed this at some point. I believe it was Kai (?) describing the prison worlds as alternate universes, not time travel, so nothing done there alters the current timeline. Re: two cures, i like the way you think.  Edit: Possibly this was said in an interview and not within the storyline?? Now I'm not sure, but I do remember having it explained. it explains itself. If Bonnie took the cure and the bear from 1994 and the cure was still at that place in 2012 and the bear was still burried in the woods in 2015 it proofs that whatever you do in the prison world has not effect on the present time. So 2 teddy bears and 2 cures |
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Post by Kiki on Mar 20, 2015 13:12:12 GMT -5
They addressed this at some point. I believe it was Kai (?) describing the prison worlds as alternate universes, not time travel, so nothing done there alters the current timeline. Re: two cures, i like the way you think. Edit: Possibly this was said in an interview and not within the storyline?? Now I'm not sure, but I do remember having it explained. it explains itself. If Bonnie took the cure and the bear from 1994 and the cure was still at that place in 2012 and the bear was still burried in the woods in 2015 it proofs that whatever you do in the prison world has not effect on the present time. So 2 teddy bears and 2 cures plus why did Damon have enough blood in 1994 but Lily didn't in 1903??? |
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Post by demetra on Mar 20, 2015 13:21:44 GMT -5
it explains itself. If Bonnie took the cure and the bear from 1994 and the cure was still at that place in 2012 and the bear was still burried in the woods in 2015 it proofs that whatever you do in the prison world has not effect on the present time. So 2 teddy bears and 2 cures plus why did Damon have enough blood in 1994 but Lily didn't in 1903??? The Salvatore house had a full freezer of blood that replenished itself everyday as the day repeated? I don't really understand why there would be livestock in Lily's prison world to begin with. Maybe the prison worlds each have different rules. Or maybe the writers have no idea how to resolve these inconsistencies and they just put things out on the internet and wait until we figure it out for them. ;) |
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Post by withered on Mar 20, 2015 13:27:02 GMT -5
Do you guys think that Kai's going to die at the hands of those apparently desiccated vampires from the 1903 Prison World? If not, what are your theories about him getting out? How could he even get out of that prison without the 1903 ascendant? Anyway, his only hope is Lily Salvatore. I mean, she's the only one who wants to go back there to get her 'family' just as badly as Kai wants to get out. What do you guys think? = ) Welcome! Hey, I know Christopher Wood is gorgeous and a fantastic actor, but I am afraid I hope the character Kai is locked up in the 1903 prison world and used as a food bag by those vampires for the rest of time. Well, at least for a few years. I thought it was sweet justice. He is a threat to Alaric and Jo's baby, and, as we know, is already a baby killer. Course, so likely are rippah Lily and Stefan. But I am Team Stefan and you gotta play for the team that brung ya. I was surprised about the incarcerated vampires. CREEPY tea party, Lily. Somehow I think Lily and Caroline might have an interesting relationship. I gave the episode a 5. It was another fun one. Several story lines were advanced and several things played out that I hoped one day to get to see the results of: a) the Cure is back in play b) Stefan and Caroline, well, you know -- and now will have to deal with the consequences. Plus they were pretty funny. I'd like to see them wreaking havoc for a few more episodes. c) Elena's use of the "forever" word was immediately complicated by Damon's future choice d) Lily is back e) Sarah learns of her identity f) Enzo's inexplicable rivalry with Stefan is put on the back burner. Another thing I liked was that Lily sounded like she was from 1903. I hope she doesn't become too modernized too quickly. It is a generous 5, however. Why would Bonnie give up the Cure when she could have used it for her mother -- that really came a little too easy IMHO. Just because it comes out of a character's mouth doesn't make it believable, as we well know. She mentioned that her mother is happy as a vampire so that she doesn't need the cure. But anyways, Kai is no longer a threat to Jo and Alaric, all the more to their unborn child. I mean, as of what we've learned so far, If the leader of the Gemini coven dies, ( Kai ) then the whole coven dies along with him, so If Jo dies, then her baby dies and so on. That's why I don't really see where they're going with the whole 'let's trap Kai in the 1903 Prison World with a handful of starving vampires'-thing. However, I completely understand Bonnie's contempt towards Kai, but seriously now. If you think about it: Bonnie has only been there for like five months or what? On the other hand, Kai has been trapped in that 'hell' for 20 years. Imagine being along for that long. And not being able to die either, but then when you're getting hope of finally getting out, your will of living suddenly rising, but then someone crushes it just like that by trapping you in another prison world, again! That's plain evil. I can understand both character's behaviors, tho. But Bonnie was overreacting, If you recall, she was the first to try and kill Kai in the first place, back in 1994. When she found out that he didn't knew the spell, and by that time, he hasn't tried to kill her, he only threatened her and absorbed a little bit of her magic. Then he shot her with an arrow, and then she stabbed him in the neck, and ultimately, he also stabbed her in the stomach. So, I guess it's a win-win, lol. It's sick, I know, but yeah. They were even I'd say, but many people think that they are now since she also left him there, alone, except, he's not alone at all. . . and his life is in danger, and if his life is in danger then also the rest of his coven's lives are. 'Gooood job, Boonie!' ( Don't get me wrong, people, I so ship Bonnie and Kai but still. ) |
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Post by Kiki on Mar 20, 2015 13:37:36 GMT -5
Welcome! Hey, I know Christopher Wood is gorgeous and a fantastic actor, but I am afraid I hope the character Kai is locked up in the 1903 prison world and used as a food bag by those vampires for the rest of time. Well, at least for a few years. I thought it was sweet justice. He is a threat to Alaric and Jo's baby, and, as we know, is already a baby killer. Course, so likely are rippah Lily and Stefan. But I am Team Stefan and you gotta play for the team that brung ya. I was surprised about the incarcerated vampires. CREEPY tea party, Lily. Somehow I think Lily and Caroline might have an interesting relationship. I gave the episode a 5. It was another fun one. Several story lines were advanced and several things played out that I hoped one day to get to see the results of: a) the Cure is back in play b) Stefan and Caroline, well, you know -- and now will have to deal with the consequences. Plus they were pretty funny. I'd like to see them wreaking havoc for a few more episodes. c) Elena's use of the "forever" word was immediately complicated by Damon's future choice d) Lily is back e) Sarah learns of her identity f) Enzo's inexplicable rivalry with Stefan is put on the back burner. Another thing I liked was that Lily sounded like she was from 1903. I hope she doesn't become too modernized too quickly. It is a generous 5, however. Why would Bonnie give up the Cure when she could have used it for her mother -- that really came a little too easy IMHO. Just because it comes out of a character's mouth doesn't make it believable, as we well know. She mentioned that her mother is happy as a vampire so that she doesn't need the cure. But anyways, Kai is no longer a threat to Jo and Alaric, all the more to their unborn child. I mean, as of what we've learned so far, If the leader of the Gemini coven dies, ( Kai ) then the whole coven dies along with him, so If Jo dies, then her baby dies and so on. That's why I don't really see where they're going with the whole 'let's trap Kai in the 1903 Prison World with a handful of starving vampires'-thing. However, I completely understand Bonnie's contempt towards Kai, but seriously now. If you think about it: Bonnie has only been there for like five months or what? On the other hand, Kai has been trapped in that 'hell' for 20 years. Imagine being along for that long. And not being able to die either, but then when you're getting hope of finally getting out, your will of living suddenly rising, but then someone crushes it just like that by trapping you in another prison world, again! That's plain evil. I can understand both character's behaviors, tho. But Bonnie was overreacting, If you recall, she was the first to try and kill Kai in the first place, back in 1994. When she found out that he didn't knew the spell, and by that time, he hasn't tried to kill her, he only threatened her and absorbed a little bit of her magic. Then he shot her with an arrow, and then she stabbed him in the neck, and ultimately, he also stabbed her in the stomach. So, I guess it's a win-win, lol. It's sick, I know, but yeah. They were even I'd say, but many people think that they are now since she also left him there, alone, except, he's not alone at all. . . and his life is in danger, and if his life is in danger then also the rest of his coven's lives are. 'Gooood job, Boonie!' ( Don't get me wrong, people, I so ship Bonnie and Kai but still. ) I wonder if Bonnie knew that the whole Gemini coven would die if she would kill Kai. I get that she wants revenche but killing Joe and her Baby in the process is a little too much collateral damage |
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Post by withered on Mar 20, 2015 13:52:32 GMT -5
That would be correct.
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Post by demetra on Mar 20, 2015 14:11:32 GMT -5
Welcome! Hey, I know Christopher Wood is gorgeous and a fantastic actor, but I am afraid I hope the character Kai is locked up in the 1903 prison world and used as a food bag by those vampires for the rest of time. Well, at least for a few years. I thought it was sweet justice. He is a threat to Alaric and Jo's baby, and, as we know, is already a baby killer. Course, so likely are rippah Lily and Stefan. But I am Team Stefan and you gotta play for the team that brung ya. I was surprised about the incarcerated vampires. CREEPY tea party, Lily. Somehow I think Lily and Caroline might have an interesting relationship. I gave the episode a 5. It was another fun one. Several story lines were advanced and several things played out that I hoped one day to get to see the results of: a) the Cure is back in play b) Stefan and Caroline, well, you know -- and now will have to deal with the consequences. Plus they were pretty funny. I'd like to see them wreaking havoc for a few more episodes. c) Elena's use of the "forever" word was immediately complicated by Damon's future choice d) Lily is back e) Sarah learns of her identity f) Enzo's inexplicable rivalry with Stefan is put on the back burner. Another thing I liked was that Lily sounded like she was from 1903. I hope she doesn't become too modernized too quickly. It is a generous 5, however. Why would Bonnie give up the Cure when she could have used it for her mother -- that really came a little too easy IMHO. Just because it comes out of a character's mouth doesn't make it believable, as we well know. She mentioned that her mother is happy as a vampire so that she doesn't need the cure. But anyways, Kai is no longer a threat to Jo and Alaric, all the more to their unborn child. I mean, as of what we've learned so far, If the leader of the Gemini coven dies, ( Kai ) then the whole coven dies along with him, so If Jo dies, then her baby dies and so on. That's why I don't really see where they're going with the whole 'let's trap Kai in the 1903 Prison World with a handful of starving vampires'-thing. However, I completely understand Bonnie's contempt towards Kai, but seriously now. If you think about it: Bonnie has only been there for like five months or what? On the other hand, Kai has been trapped in that 'hell' for 20 years. Imagine being along for that long. And not being able to die either, but then when you're getting hope of finally getting out, your will of living suddenly rising, but then someone crushes it just like that by trapping you in another prison world, again! That's plain evil. I can understand both character's behaviors, tho. But Bonnie was overreacting, If you recall, she was the first to try and kill Kai in the first place, back in 1994. When she found out that he didn't knew the spell, and by that time, he hasn't tried to kill her, he only threatened her and absorbed a little bit of her magic. Then he shot her with an arrow, and then she stabbed him in the neck, and ultimately, he also stabbed her in the stomach. So, I guess it's a win-win, lol. It's sick, I know, but yeah. They were even I'd say, but many people think that they are now since she also left him there, alone, except, he's not alone at all. . . and his life is in danger, and if his life is in danger then also the rest of his coven's lives are. 'Gooood job, Boonie!' ( Don't get me wrong, people, I so ship Bonnie and Kai but still. ) I actually did not know that shipping Bonnie and Kai was a thing. As someone who has (what has turned out to be very painfully) shipped Stelena for six unsatisfying years, I extend my condolences to you. All ships are incredibly frustrating. :) To date I have remained immune to Kai's new conscience -- as it is actually Luke's -- and, unusually for me, felt a bit of Old Testament closure, and pleasure that Bonnie got to have her sense of closure about Kai. But I'll cross my fingers for you and hope for the best. |
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Post by crimmyj on Mar 20, 2015 14:32:00 GMT -5
She mentioned that her mother is happy as a vampire so that she doesn't need the cure. But anyways, Kai is no longer a threat to Jo and Alaric, all the more to their unborn child. I mean, as of what we've learned so far, If the leader of the Gemini coven dies, ( Kai ) then the whole coven dies along with him, so If Jo dies, then her baby dies and so on. That's why I don't really see where they're going with the whole 'let's trap Kai in the 1903 Prison World with a handful of starving vampires'-thing. However, I completely understand Bonnie's contempt towards Kai, but seriously now. If you think about it: Bonnie has only been there for like five months or what? On the other hand, Kai has been trapped in that 'hell' for 20 years. Imagine being along for that long. And not being able to die either, but then when you're getting hope of finally getting out, your will of living suddenly rising, but then someone crushes it just like that by trapping you in another prison world, again! That's plain evil. I can understand both character's behaviors, tho. But Bonnie was overreacting, If you recall, she was the first to try and kill Kai in the first place, back in 1994. When she found out that he didn't knew the spell, and by that time, he hasn't tried to kill her, he only threatened her and absorbed a little bit of her magic. Then he shot her with an arrow, and then she stabbed him in the neck, and ultimately, he also stabbed her in the stomach. So, I guess it's a win-win, lol. It's sick, I know, but yeah. They were even I'd say, but many people think that they are now since she also left him there, alone, except, he's not alone at all. . . and his life is in danger, and if his life is in danger then also the rest of his coven's lives are. 'Gooood job, Boonie!' ( Don't get me wrong, people, I so ship Bonnie and Kai but still. ) As someone who has (what has turned out to be very painfully) shipped Stelena for six unsatisfying years, I extend my condolences to you. All ships are incredibly frustrating. To date I have remained immune to Kai's new conscience -- as it is actually Luke's -- and, unusually for me, felt a bit of Old Testament closure, and pleasure that Bonnie got to have her sense of closure about Kai. But I'll cross my fingers for you and hope for the best. I've come to realize that anybody can ship ANY pairing as long as they find someone physically attractive. Man if I was still in college I would so do a thesis on some of the psychology behind this. It would be fun research. |
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Post by jennifer on Mar 20, 2015 14:32:04 GMT -5
plus why did Damon have enough blood in 1994 but Lily didn't in 1903??? The Salvatore house had a full freezer of blood that replenished itself everyday as the day repeated? I don't really understand why there would be livestock in Lily's prison world to begin with. Maybe the prison worlds each have different rules. Or maybe the writers have no idea how to resolve these inconsistencies and they just put things out on the internet and wait until we figure it out for them. Sounds like the Gemini coven has the power to make a world however painful they want it to be. So sticking a bunch of vampires in a world with limited food was punishment for Lily's group. Kai's punishment was to be totally alone. Inhabitants of both worlds have made an interesting study in humans/vampires need for social contact and meaning. Lily had something to live for, her family. Bonnie had nothing after Damon left and almost killed herself. And I do think she would've died. |
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Post by jennifer on Mar 20, 2015 14:37:43 GMT -5
withered, If Kai dies dies in the prison world nothing would happen to the coven in the current timeline. Anything that happens in the prison world, stays in the prison world. So I don't think Jo's in danger. Unless there's some Gemini rule we don't know yet! 
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Post by withered on Mar 20, 2015 15:14:24 GMT -5
withered, If Kai dies dies in the prison world nothing would happen to the coven in the current timeline. Anything that happens in the prison world, stays in the prison world. So I don't think Jo's in danger. Unless there's some Gemini rule we don't know yet! No, the people are affected, regardless the timeline. Kai is linked with each one from his coven, so when he dies, they all die. Also, the prison worlds will collapse if he dies, and all the monsters from within them will be unleashed. It's a magical K-BOOM. Duh. |
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Post by jennifer on Mar 20, 2015 16:12:35 GMT -5
withered, If Kai dies dies in the prison world nothing would happen to the coven in the current timeline. Anything that happens in the prison world, stays in the prison world. So I don't think Jo's in danger. Unless there's some Gemini rule we don't know yet! No, the people are affected, regardless the timeline. Kai is linked with each one from his coven, so when he dies, they all die. Also, the prison worlds will collapse if he dies, and all the monsters from within them will be unleashed. It's a magical K-BOOM. Duh. How do you know the coven is still linked when Kai is in the prison world? So far there are no links between prison and real world because it exists in a different dimension. It's why they built the prison worlds. The ascendant is merely a way to dimension travel, not time travel, which implies living in the same time continuum. I'm not saying you're wrong, but this isn't a 'duh' in my book, given the info we have right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 16:34:27 GMT -5
mmmm...just finished watching, and this episode didn't really blow me away, it was solid and good ... but a bit lame ass as well ... in sense of SL I mean, I gave it 4/5 points. What disturbed me: Kai being left behind...and did he actually get killed by the mummy  I liked my season 6 villain ...this sucks!!! How did the cure appear in 1994 I don't understand this! Seriously! Well maybe it is a bit late and I am tired, but I really don't get... And even if Kai was killed by mummyman, he can't really die in prison world can he!!! Hah!!! Stefan as Ripppahhh...I loved it. Last episode Caro looked so damned hot with that new hairstyle, but today she looked for me as if she had loads spaghetti hanging down her face. Don't dig it! The SL with the cure bothers me immensely. I'm going to bed now and watching Hart of Dixie!!! Nite nite y'all. Cheers! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 16:36:47 GMT -5
An afterword: I don't give rat's bum for Momma Salvatore!!! The whole story is far fetched imho. Naw ...just don't care. Sorry!
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I liked my season 6 villain ...this sucks!!!
Well if you do somehow get a chance to watch it later, let me know what you think. 