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Post by withered on Mar 20, 2015 16:41:45 GMT -5
No, the people are affected, regardless the timeline. Kai is linked with each one from his coven, so when he dies, they all die. Also, the prison worlds will collapse if he dies, and all the monsters from within them will be unleashed. It's a magical K-BOOM. Duh. How do you know the coven is still linked when Kai is in the prison world? So far there are no links between prison and real world because it exists in a different dimension. It's why they built the prison worlds. The ascendant is merely a way to dimension travel, not time travel, which implies living in the same time continuum. I'm not saying you're wrong, but this isn't a 'duh' in my book, given the info we have right now. Yes, but! The Prison Worlds were invented/created by the Gemini Coven, it's made with their magic, without it they'll just collapse. And since Kai is the new leader, he's bound to maintain the worlds with his powers. If he dies somehow, the magic of the prison world will vanish as the leader of the coven that created the world dies. I mean, isn't it logical If you think about it, that's what I've gathered so far. It's something they control, somehow. It doesn't matter If there's 1903 prison world or 1994, the Gemini coven has their own rules. They can as easily create another prison world just like that. And I think one of the rules or more like 'condition' of the prison world is functioning on the magic of the Gemini leader himself. Because that's how they got created in the first place, it's only logical that's how they'll also get destroyed, right?
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Post by withered on Mar 20, 2015 16:50:05 GMT -5
mmmm...just finished watching, and this episode didn't really blow me away, it was solid and good ... but a bit lame ass as well ... in sense of SL I mean, I gave it 4/5 points. What disturbed me: Kai being left behind...and did he actually get killed by the mummy I liked my season 6 villain ...this sucks!!! How did the cure appear in 1994 I don't understand this! Seriously! Well maybe it is a bit late and I am tired, but I really don't get... And even if Kai was killed by mummyman, he can't really die in prison world can he!!! Hah!!! Stefan as Ripppahhh...I loved it. Last episode Caro looked so damned hot with that new hairstyle, but today she looked for me as if she had loads spaghetti hanging down her face. Don't dig it! The SL with the cure bothers me immensely. I'm going to bed now and watching Hart of Dixie!!! Nite nite y'all. Cheers! After Qetsiyah made the cure for vampirism, she left it in the tomb, with Silas, this until Katherine found it and stole it. That means it was still there in 1994, and since Bonnie was trapped in that timeline prison world, when Jeremy traveled back to 1994 and opened the map to Nova Scotia for Bonnie so she can figure to go there and absorb the magic from Qetsiyah's blood that was spilled all over that stone or whatever, she also figured there would be the cure, still intact. And there it was. This also goes for the 1903 Prison World. The cure is still there.All the objects that existed back in a certain timeline, they would still exist within the prison world. Oh, and Kai's prison didn't allow him to die, it was something like his punishment. That's how it was made, designed for him. So he can suffer alone, for eternity. But this doesn't apply to the other Prison World.
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Post by Kiki on Mar 20, 2015 17:10:25 GMT -5
hm Kai is the leader of the coven now, right? The coven created those prison worlds and they send him to one before maybe the coven has the power to bring Kai back from the prison or destroy those prisons?
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Post by demetra on Mar 20, 2015 17:14:52 GMT -5
mmmm...just finished watching, and this episode didn't really blow me away, it was solid and good ... but a bit lame ass as well ... in sense of SL I mean, I gave it 4/5 points. What disturbed me: Kai being left behind...and did he actually get killed by the mummy ??? I liked my season 6 villain ...this sucks!!! How did the cure appear in 1994 ??? I don't understand this! Seriously! Well maybe it is a bit late and I am tired, but I really don't get... And even if Kai was killed by mummyman, he can't really die in prison world can he!!! Hah!!! Stefan as Ripppahhh...I loved it. Last episode Caro looked so damned hot with that new hairstyle, but today she looked for me as if she had loads spaghetti hanging down her face. Don't dig it! The SL with the cure bothers me immensely. I'm going to bed now and watching Hart of Dixie!!! Nite nite y'all. Cheers! After Qetsiyah made the cure for vampirism, she left it in the tomb, with Silas, this until Katherine found it and stole it. That means it was still there in 1994, and since Bonnie was trapped in that timeline prison world, when Jeremy traveled back to 1994 and opened the map to Nova Scotia for Bonnie so she can figure to go there and absorb the magic from Qetsiyah's blood that was spilled all over that stone or whatever, she also figured there would be the cure, still intact. And there it was. This also goes for the 1903 Prison World. The cure is still there.All the objects that existed back in a certain timeline, they would still exist within the prison world. Oh, and Kai's prison didn't allow him to die, it was something like his punishment. That's how it was made, designed for him. So he can suffer alone, for eternity. But this doesn't apply to the other Prison World. ;) So there is the possibility of getting yet ANOTHER dose of the Cure from 1903. But I imagine a trip from Mystic Falls to a remote island in Nova Scotia in the middle of the winter in 1903 might take a little longer to realize?
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Post by withered on Mar 20, 2015 17:18:37 GMT -5
hm Kai is the leader of the coven now, right? The coven created those prison worlds and they send him to one before maybe the coven has the power to bring Kai back from the prison or destroy those prisons? Yeah, but from what I've read I think they can only create prison worlds with a Bennet witch's blood, because the first created, back in 1903 for Lillian Salvatore, was linked with Sheila Bennet's blood, aka Bonnie's grandmother. So yeah, maybe they can find a way to do that, unless there is one already, which I think it is.
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Post by withered on Mar 20, 2015 17:20:38 GMT -5
hm Kai is the leader of the coven now, right? The coven created those prison worlds and they send him to one before maybe the coven has the power to bring Kai back from the prison or destroy those prisons? Yeah, but from what I've read I think they can only create prison worlds with a Bennet witch's blood, because the first created, back in 1903 for Lillian Salvatore, was linked with Sheila Bennet's blood, aka Bonnie's grandmother. So yeah, maybe they can find a way to do that, unless there is one already, which I think it is. Yep, that would be the case, you're right. But, now that I think about it.. who would travel back to 1903 for the second dose of the cure? Bonnie's needed anyways, but who's going to come with her, I think Damon, and maybe Elena will come along, this If she won't be too busy with Stefan, or vice-versa, anyway, hopefully, Kai will still be there, waiting. But, I don't know how he'll react when he'll see Bonnie again.
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Post by jennifer on Mar 20, 2015 18:21:07 GMT -5
How do you know the coven is still linked when Kai is in the prison world? So far there are no links between prison and real world because it exists in a different dimension. It's why they built the prison worlds. The ascendant is merely a way to dimension travel, not time travel, which implies living in the same time continuum. I'm not saying you're wrong, but this isn't a 'duh' in my book, given the info we have right now. Yes, but! The Prison Worlds were invented/created by the Gemini Coven, it's made with their magic, without it they'll just collapse. And since Kai is the new leader, he's bound to maintain the worlds with his powers. If he dies somehow, the magic of the prison world will vanish as the leader of the coven that created the world dies. I mean, isn't it logical If you think about it, that's what I've gathered so far. It's something they control, somehow. It doesn't matter If there's 1903 prison world or 1994, the Gemini coven has their own rules. They can as easily create another prison world just like that. And I think one of the rules or more like 'condition' of the prison world is functioning on the magic of the Gemini leader himself. Because that's how they got created in the first place, it's only logical that's how they'll also get destroyed, right? I remember everything Kai said last episode so it's not a question of logic. It makes total sense to me what will happen if Kai is living his normal life. What I'm trying to say is Kai doesn't exist anymore. He's living outside the reality of the other characters, so if something happens to him, it shouldn't touch the reality of the others. Now if Gemini magic spans across space, time and dimension, then I agree with you. It depends where they want to go with Kai's story. I'm sure we'll get more info next ep. We just have to wait until April 16th!!! Gah.
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Post by withered on Mar 20, 2015 18:32:44 GMT -5
Yes, but! The Prison Worlds were invented/created by the Gemini Coven, it's made with their magic, without it they'll just collapse. And since Kai is the new leader, he's bound to maintain the worlds with his powers. If he dies somehow, the magic of the prison world will vanish as the leader of the coven that created the world dies. I mean, isn't it logical If you think about it, that's what I've gathered so far. It's something they control, somehow. It doesn't matter If there's 1903 prison world or 1994, the Gemini coven has their own rules. They can as easily create another prison world just like that. And I think one of the rules or more like 'condition' of the prison world is functioning on the magic of the Gemini leader himself. Because that's how they got created in the first place, it's only logical that's how they'll also get destroyed, right? I remember everything Kai said last episode so it's not a question of logic. It makes total sense to me what will happen if Kai is living his normal life. What I'm trying to say is Kai doesn't exist anymore. He's living outside the reality of the other characters, so if something happens to him, it shouldn't touch the reality of the others. Now if Gemini magic spans across space, time and dimension, then I agree with you. It depends where they want to go with Kai's story. I'm sure we'll get more info next ep. We just have to wait until April 16th!!! Gah. Yeah, we'll just have to wait until the next episode, but God, why that damn long hiatus. TVD makes us hate it and love it at the same time, how the heck can it manage that, lol. xD
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 2:27:33 GMT -5
mmmm...just finished watching, and this episode didn't really blow me away, it was solid and good ... but a bit lame ass as well ... in sense of SL I mean, I gave it 4/5 points. What disturbed me: Kai being left behind...and did he actually get killed by the mummy I liked my season 6 villain ...this sucks!!! How did the cure appear in 1994 I don't understand this! Seriously! Well maybe it is a bit late and I am tired, but I really don't get... And even if Kai was killed by mummyman, he can't really die in prison world can he!!! Hah!!! Stefan as Ripppahhh...I loved it. Last episode Caro looked so damned hot with that new hairstyle, but today she looked for me as if she had loads spaghetti hanging down her face. Don't dig it! The SL with the cure bothers me immensely. I'm going to bed now and watching Hart of Dixie!!! Nite nite y'all. Cheers! After Qetsiyah made the cure for vampirism, she left it in the tomb, with Silas, this until Katherine found it and stole it. That means it was still there in 1994, and since Bonnie was trapped in that timeline prison world, when Jeremy traveled back to 1994 and opened the map to Nova Scotia for Bonnie so she can figure to go there and absorb the magic from Qetsiyah's blood that was spilled all over that stone or whatever, she also figured there would be the cure, still intact. And there it was. This also goes for the 1903 Prison World. The cure is still there.All the objects that existed back in a certain timeline, they would still exist within the prison world. Oh, and Kai's prison didn't allow him to die, it was something like his punishment. That's how it was made, designed for him. So he can suffer alone, for eternity. But this doesn't apply to the other Prison World. withered ...what I needed was a The Cure for Dummies... and you delivered!!! Thanks a ton my friend I will ponder about this and let it sink in and (rewatch some episodes if I find the time!)
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Post by katvolley13 on Mar 21, 2015 7:12:13 GMT -5
I am more concerned about what they are going to do with the cure. Some are are speculating
Elena will take cure but stay with damon Elena will take cure gravitate towards stefen Caroline will take cure to get humanity
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Post by demetra on Mar 21, 2015 9:02:45 GMT -5
To split hairs, it is a Cure for immortality, not vampirism. Vampirism is a condition of immortality. Secondly, Sheila Bennett was a teenager in the 50s, according to her meeting with Stefan back in Season One, so the 1903 prison world is accessed with the blood of a Bennett witch, but it would likely have been that of another relative common to both Sheila and Bonnie that helped in the making of it.
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Post by Kiki on Mar 21, 2015 9:15:53 GMT -5
To split hairs, it is a Cure for immortality, not vampirism. Vampirism is a condition of immortality. Secondly, Sheila Bennett was a teenager in the 50s, according to her meeting with Stefan back in Season One, so the 1903 prison world is accessed with the blood of a Bennett witch, but it would likely have been that of another relative common to both Sheila and Bonnie. That's true, Sheila would have been over 100 years old to have met Lily. But what about Emily? If Lily was put into prison in 1903 it would have been something around 40 years after her sons turned into vampires. I am bad at guessing ages but I think Emily was in her early 30s in 1864 so she could have lived in 1903. But anyway the Bennett blood could have been stored in a bottle for years so it could be everyone's blood. And do we know that Lily was put into prison in 1903? Damon and Bonnie went into a prisonworld in their past why was Lily but into a prisonworld in her own time? Which leads me to the question what is needed to create a prisonworld? Maybe some ingrediens are importand for the timesetting? Or do 1994 and 1903 have something in common? I should go on in the theories thread
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Post by demetra on Mar 21, 2015 9:29:43 GMT -5
To split hairs, it is a Cure for immortality, not vampirism. Vampirism is a condition of immortality. Secondly, Sheila Bennett was a teenager in the 50s, according to her meeting with Stefan back in Season One, so the 1903 prison world is accessed with the blood of a Bennett witch, but it would likely have been that of another relative common to both Sheila and Bonnie. That's true, Sheila would have been over 100 years old to have met Lily. But what about Emily? If Lily was put into prison in 1903 it would have been something around 40 years after her sons turned into vampires. I am bad at guessing ages but I think Emily was in her early 30s in 1864 so she could have lived in 1903. But anyway the Bennett blood could have been stored in a bottle for years so it could be everyone's blood. And do we know that Lily was put into prison in 1903? Damon and Bonnie went into a prisonworld in their past why was Lily but into a prisonworld in her own time? Which leads me to the question what is needed to create a prisonworld? Maybe some ingrediens are importand for the timesetting? Or do 1994 and 1903 have something in common? I should go on in the theories thread Oh yeah! They could have sent Lily back in time. Good point. In terms of Emily, again going back to Season One, Damon promised Emily to protect the line of Bennett witches, because after the folks of Mystic Falls went after the vampires back in 1864, they captured Emily and unfortunately killed her in the basememt of that big mansion.
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Post by withered on Mar 21, 2015 11:29:16 GMT -5
To split hairs, it is a Cure for immortality, not vampirism. Vampirism is a condition of immortality. Secondly, Sheila Bennett was a teenager in the 50s, according to her meeting with Stefan back in Season One, so the 1903 prison world is accessed with the blood of a Bennett witch, but it would likely have been that of another relative common to both Sheila and Bonnie that helped in the making of it. Oh, yes, I know the Cure is for immortality, I said vampirism because the vampires are cured from it, since they're not all immortal-like Silas was, or Amara. And I wrongly expressed myself when I said that the Prison World from 1903 was created using Sheila's Bennett blood. What I wanted to say was the one from 1994 was created using her blood and also linked with a spell only a Bennett witch could perform. However, it's still confusing how the first Prison World was created, because Sheila didn't even exist in 1903, and Emily would have been like. . . 103 years old back then. But as witches are known for tricking the aging process by using herbs or anti-aging spells or whatsoever, that could actually make sense, but since this is TVD nothing can possibly make any sense. Plus, I don't know If you guys have noticed but, from season one of the series to six, some things were altered.
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Post by Kiki on Mar 21, 2015 11:31:22 GMT -5
Emily was somewhere around 30 in 1864 that would make her something around 70 in 1903 not 103
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