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Post by demetra on Oct 10, 2014 13:14:09 GMT -5
Also! I guess the date of May 10, 1994 will have something to do with the 90s flashback coming up. Is that someone's birthdate? If so, that person would be just over 20. Jeremy's birthdate was in October 1993, so someone six months younger than Jeremy? Googling that date, there was a total solar eclipse on May 10, 1994, So something big enough for a witch to hang her hat on PLUS explains the season poster night for day premise ie Dark Dimension idea. There is a partial solar eclipse coming up October 23 and a full solar eclipse coming up March 2015. Maybe Bonnie and Damon's fate is connected to those dates. Wow demetra amazing guess with the eclipse!!!!! All I did was Google, no precognition on my part. Later Deb posted a preview for 6x04 called Black Hole Sun, so I thought we might be on the right track. ALSO I just realized that the newspaper says "Rare solar eclipse" under the date!!! |
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Post by crimmyj on Oct 10, 2014 15:29:39 GMT -5
This episode sets the stage...... Do you guys see where this is headed? Stefan crawls back to MF (GF less) because he's a "dick"...... Elena only remembers her love for him and is on him like "white on rice"..... Stefan wavers because his love is real .... Damon resurrected with DE's love "necklace" that Stefan gave her for protection from Damon ... DE "rain kiss" ..... heart rip 2.0 ... Stefan "flower girl" and "footstool" for DE to climb in their "marriage carriage"....... The organic (compost) love story is complete. Epic  Sadly I don't think you are going to be far off on your prediction. Why is my blind loyalty keeping me watching this show again? I never knew I had masochistic tendencies. |
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Post by crimmyj on Oct 10, 2014 15:33:11 GMT -5
After the first episode I was close to stop watching for a few weeks. But I was too curious again and I'm glad I watched this episode. Elena finally took off her Damon glases and can see who Damon really is. A monster who killed her brother. I don't care if she will fall for Stefan again or not. At least there is hope she will be a lovable character again. And I am soooooo much team Carenzo. It was so cute how angry he became at Stefan when he saw Caroline crying. Although I hate everyone who hurts Stefan I loved how Enzo punshed him because he made Caroline cry. Stefan kind of deserved this one But she didn't take off her Damon glasses...she was just compelled and we all know that isn't going to last. I would rather her character naturally recognize this fact and not have it be out of compulsion because then it rings false. It is just a way to prolong the inevitable. |
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Post by Andrew55 on Oct 10, 2014 16:00:20 GMT -5
Honestly I think the whole Elena compulsion thing is a weak, pathetic attempt by the writers to keep the remaining SE fans watching. They can try to spin things in the media but the fact is...I do believe they are concerned about the drop in ratings and are trying any trick to keep people watching. I will watch, to the bitter end, because I have invested too much time in this show to just give up now.
Do they honestly think we don't expect Alaric to un-compell Elena when Damon comes back? I mean we all know what direction they are going. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out. And that is the core of the problem with the show nowadays. Nothing is unpredictable. If the writers had some balls they would make it impossible for Ric to bring the memories back. Now that would be a interesting development. But we all know they are scared to go that route because of the backlash they would get. And honestly, I find that sad.
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Post by demetra on Oct 10, 2014 16:43:17 GMT -5
of course he didn't deserve his girlfriend killed. I ment he deserved the punsh for making Caroline cry. The punsh would have been enough. Killing Ivy was cruel and unnecessary I was starting to like Enzo, but when he killed Ivy, I was like "you idiot, why did you do that? God!" Killing an innocent girl... horrible! Just horrible! Trying to emulate Damon and his "revenge" fantasy on Stefan doesn't make you look good Enzo, it just makes you pathetic; kinda like his lackey. At-least Damon did things with a bit of flair. Enzo trying to fill those shoes: not happening!!! Yes, it is horrible. But Enzo's humanity is still turned off, I think? No? |
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Post by amimi on Oct 10, 2014 17:06:35 GMT -5
Kinda loved that episode, guys. What can I say? I'm just a sucker for the character moments, for all the feels. But poor Ivy. That was just unnecessary.
But I do have a couple questions: How can Damon survive for four months without blood? Is he drinking Bonnie's? And if there are no people in that 1994 world, where are they getting the ingredients for the pancakes and coffee?? LOL
Also feel horrible for Stefan. Something someone said on some post (great reference, huh?) seemed bang on: Stefan's misery is fulfilling Damon's promise to him in 1864, that he would make his life a living hell. I think we figured that might have been old news once the brothers started bonding more over the seasons, but with Enzo bringing it up again, I sort of think there's truth to it. Do you see an end in sight of Stefan's misery? I sure don't, not after Elena rips his heart out again (once Damon returns). Going back to the underlying theme of the bromance, I'm starting to think that Damon's 'curse' on Stefan has a lot more significance to the entire arc of the story.
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Post by jennifer on Oct 10, 2014 17:40:52 GMT -5
If nothing else, this episode presented ways NOT to deal with grief. And I loved it for that.
NUMBING OUT: Jeremy fits in here, with his girls and booze and a couch cushion with his name on it. Except.....he rails at Bonnie on her voicemail, which is still active thanks to Jeremy. Not as numb as he appeared. I hope he gets out of this hole on his own, or possibly when he finds out the new chick is related to Bonnie and is a Bennett witch (great theory whoever thought of it).
TRYING TO OUTRUN THE PAST: The problem is, the past always catches up. Stefan isn't moving on, he's pretending to be human like he did when he moved to MF. Enzo was on point with his analysis of Stefan in that respect. Stefan didn't deserve Enzo's cruel tirade about how he's a crappy brother, and Ivy definitely didn't deserve what she got, but Stefan needed to hear what Caroline had to say. NONE of her messages, Stefan? Ouch. I'm glad he has a purpose to move out of fantasy land and rejoin his friends in MF, even if the motivation is revenge.
ESCAPING: Elena. I felt sad for her in a way I haven't felt in ages. I wanted to know when Elena realized she was in love with Damon because I still wasn't sure she was in love. Going back through those moments and hearing what Elena was thinking and feeling helped me get what I didn't while watching the scenes the first time. It would've helped to know these things earlier, before she chose Damon at the end of S4, but there really wasn't anyone Elena could confide in who was objective. Still, It was like ripping off a band aid to find out Elena realized she loved Damon during the first of two of my favorite episodes about Stefan/Elena. Re: the results of the compulsion, it's just a new mess for Elena & friends. It's great she's not an emotional mess and using drugs, but coming out of it thinking Damon is only a monster?!? That's not reality either.
DENIAL: Damon and Bonnie. They're so focused on getting out of the situation using magic that they can't see there's something that needs to be accomplished on May 10th to set them free. Maybe whoever is sneaking around will help them figure it out since she/he filled in the crossword puzzle.
Also, the music selection was excellent. The montage of Elena & Damon moving between the past and present, with a cover of "All Through the Night" playing, was particularly memorable.
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Post by demetra on Oct 10, 2014 17:45:31 GMT -5
Kinda loved that episode, guys. What can I say? I'm just a sucker for the character moments, for all the feels. But poor Ivy. That was just unnecessary. But I do have a couple questions: How can Damon survive for four months without blood? Is he drinking Bonnie's? And if there are no people in that 1994 world, where are they getting the ingredients for the pancakes and coffee?? LOL Also feel horrible for Stefan. Something someone said on some post (great reference, huh?) seemed bang on: Stefan's misery is fulfilling Damon's promise to him in 1864, that he would make his life a living hell. I think we figured that might have been old news once the brothers started bonding more over the seasons, but with Enzo bringing it up again, I sort of think there's truth to it. Do you see an end in sight of Stefan's misery? I sure don't, not after Elena rips his heart out again (once Damon returns). Going back to the underlying theme of the bromance, I'm starting to think that Damon's 'curse' on Stefan has a lot more significance to the entire arc of the story. I was just thinking that question about Damon and the blood! |
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Post by demetra on Oct 10, 2014 17:49:16 GMT -5
Just watched it through one more time. As Caroline realizes that Stefan has not listened to any of her messages, he says "In order to erase..." Basically Elena and Stefan are doing the same thing -- trying to erase their lives of any traces of Damon and the past. Also chould be pretty interesting with Damon and Bonnie and Jeremy and Sarah all in the Salvatore mansion, even if technically 13 years separates them in time.
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Post by jennifer on Oct 10, 2014 17:54:53 GMT -5
Kinda loved that episode, guys. What can I say? I'm just a sucker for the character moments, for all the feels. But poor Ivy. That was just unnecessary. But I do have a couple questions: How can Damon survive for four months without blood? Is he drinking Bonnie's? And if there are no people in that 1994 world, where are they getting the ingredients for the pancakes and coffee?? LOL Also feel horrible for Stefan. Something someone said on some post (great reference, huh?) seemed bang on: Stefan's misery is fulfilling Damon's promise to him in 1864, that he would make his life a living hell. I think we figured that might have been old news once the brothers started bonding more over the seasons, but with Enzo bringing it up again, I sort of think there's truth to it. Do you see an end in sight of Stefan's misery? I sure don't, not after Elena rips his heart out again (once Damon returns). Going back to the underlying theme of the bromance, I'm starting to think that Damon's 'curse' on Stefan has a lot more significance to the entire arc of the story. I'm a sucker for those character moments too, amimi. My guess about Damon and blood is he doesn't need it in the afterlife or alternate universe. Not sure why they need food then. ?? I wondered about the food last night and decided since they're repeating the same day, the food shows up every day as if they never ate it. Like your theory about the curse on Stefan. I don't think Stefan will find peace until he truly finds peace with Damon. Elena might end up as the red herring here, playing the role of the foil to the brothers' relationship. |
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Post by Kiki on Oct 10, 2014 23:28:06 GMT -5
After the first episode I was close to stop watching for a few weeks. But I was too curious again and I'm glad I watched this episode. Elena finally took off her Damon glases and can see who Damon really is. A monster who killed her brother. I don't care if she will fall for Stefan again or not. At least there is hope she will be a lovable character again. And I am soooooo much team Carenzo. It was so cute how angry he became at Stefan when he saw Caroline crying. Although I hate everyone who hurts Stefan I loved how Enzo punshed him because he made Caroline cry. Stefan kind of deserved this one But she didn't take off her Damon glasses...she was just compelled and we all know that isn't going to last. I would rather her character naturally recognize this fact and not have it be out of compulsion because then it rings false. It is just a way to prolong the inevitable. We all know damon will be back at some point and I am sure Alaric will decompell her. But compelling it away now makes her see reality again. So if she can become her old self again now she might be strong enough not to fall into damon addiction again. It took the sirebond to delete her love for stefan and open the way for delena. But they said now it wasn't the sirebond that made her love damon but it was just the push she needed to choose him. I think alarics compulsion will just be the push into the other direction and it will later turn out to be elenas real choice to leave her worst self behind. A choice that got a little help from the compulsion |
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Post by demetra on Oct 11, 2014 2:40:52 GMT -5
In terms of the pancakes, I think Zack was living in the Salvatore boarding house, hence there would have been food in the house? Then, as has been mentioned, each day being the same day, they have the same food available in the morning. Possibly the same goes for Damon and blood. As it is the same day, he wakes up with the same amount of thirst?
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Post by crimmyj on Oct 11, 2014 3:04:24 GMT -5
But she didn't take off her Damon glasses...she was just compelled and we all know that isn't going to last. I would rather her character naturally recognize this fact and not have it be out of compulsion because then it rings false. It is just a way to prolong the inevitable. We all know damon will be back at some point and I am sure Alaric will decompell her. But compelling it away now makes her see reality again. So if she can become her old self again now she might be strong enough not to fall into damon addiction again. It took the sirebond to delete her love for stefan and open the way for delena. But they said now it wasn't the sirebond that made her love damon but it was just the push she needed to choose him. I think alarics compulsion will just be the push into the other direction and it will later turn out to be elenas real choice to leave her worst self behind. A choice that got a little help from the compulsion But the compulsion isn't based on reality. Alaric altered the memory with a false ones. So she isn't seeing reality at all because she isn't seeing the good things Damon did and only the bad because the good stuff was wiped. Like it or not Elena's love for Damon was before she was a vampire, and before the sirebond, and all while knowing what Damon is capable of...this episode took the Damon addiction off the table. The sire bond may have turned her love into an addiction but she still loved him before it became toxic. That was the point of this episode was to retcon season 3 a bit to show that. That Elena at her best self also loved Damon. The only positive for the compulsion in my opinion is no more whiny Elena, but the compulsion storyline in and of itself is BS. |
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Post by Kiki on Oct 11, 2014 3:30:15 GMT -5
no compulsion is not based on reality but since Elena got addicted to Damon (I cannot call this toxic relationship love) she couldn't see reality anymore. She forgot that this is the guy who killed her brother and hurt her friends all the time. She only saw his good side (if there is one) but now with the compulsion she can see what he really is. The guy who killed her brother.
I have no problem with Elena loving Damon. It's ok for me if she loves them both. What was not ok for me is that through the sirebond and her addiction to Damon which followed the sirebond she forgot about Stefan and about the real life around her. She forgot about all her friends and could only see and care for Damon anymore. If this is taken away by compulsion and she will care about her friends again I don't care what Alaric did. Of course he altered her memory and clouded Damon's good side but the sirebond and her addiction to Damon did the same thing to Stefan and all her friends.
Anyway I doubt this will last. If Stefan comes back he will be furious. Because free will was always the most valuable thing for him. He'll be very angry to know that Elena was compelled
Since I don't care about Elena anyway I'm just glad we will not have to endure more sobbing Elena-episodes like the premiere for now
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Post by Ruby on Oct 11, 2014 7:51:27 GMT -5
We all know damon will be back at some point and I am sure Alaric will decompell her. But compelling it away now makes her see reality again. So if she can become her old self again now she might be strong enough not to fall into damon addiction again. It took the sirebond to delete her love for stefan and open the way for delena. But they said now it wasn't the sirebond that made her love damon but it was just the push she needed to choose him. I think alarics compulsion will just be the push into the other direction and it will later turn out to be elenas real choice to leave her worst self behind. A choice that got a little help from the compulsion But the compulsion isn't based on reality. Alaric altered the memory with a false ones. So she isn't seeing reality at all because she isn't seeing the good things Damon did and only the bad because the good stuff was wiped. Like it or not Elena's love for Damon was before she was a vampire, and before the sirebond, and all while knowing what Damon is capable of...this episode took the Damon addiction off the table. The sire bond may have turned her love into an addiction but she still loved him before it became toxic. That was the point of this episode was to retcon season 3 a bit to show that. That Elena at her best self also loved Damon. The only positive for the compulsion in my opinion is no more whiny Elena, but the compulsion storyline in and of itself is BS. I agree. We always knew she had feelings for Damon from before. N still being in love with Stefan she just never choose to confront her feelings for Damon. She confessed them to matt in 3x22 and Even when Stefan told her she needs to figure it out n she went n kissed damon in the motel... she still choose Stefan at the end. It was because at the time her love for Stefan was still superior. When she became a vampire, the first excuse on not to trust him regarding of course Jeremy it shattered her bubble n she had to come to terms with her feelings for Damon as well since they were completely heightened n she didn't know how to keep them hidden any longer. But it still leaves me with the Stefan is the reason behind them being together in the first place. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards |
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Well if you do somehow get a chance to watch it later, let me know what you think. 
Hope you're doing well. 
