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Post by jennifer on Feb 6, 2015 13:51:36 GMT -5
Forgot what I hated, too. ENZO... why does he think Damon cares about killing Sarah or not. Damon killed so many people and never felt bad about it. Why does Enzo think that Damon cares about killing Sarah? As far as I know Damon he already forgot about it. So Enzo hates Stefan for something Damon doesn't even care about? That's just silly Enzo and Damon haven't even bothered to see each other since Damon's return. Enzo keeps doing all this stuff in the name of Damon, who doesn't think about him at all. Damon did seem remorseful in the prison world about the baby more than anyone else, so he'll probably be glad to know Sarah's still alive. It seems like a lead-up to Damon killing Enzo when he finds out what Enzo is doing to Sarah. Poor Matt getting shoved into this awkward story line.  |
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Post by crimmyj on Feb 6, 2015 14:21:17 GMT -5
Too much Delena for what was to be a Bonnie episode. Not surprised. Their overall screen time this season is taking away from what could have been story moments for other characters on this show, but why do that, especially when we keep rehashing stuff over and over. You are dysfunctional but no one cares, we got it already. We got it 2 seasons ago, but lets keep beating that dead horse.
Please can we kill Enzo already...this storyline is terrible. just terrible and serves no purpose. Matt please be the one to do it, just to give you something to do before You and Tyler should probably run off with Jer since the writers seem to not give a crap about your characters anymore. side note, It bothers me that Tyler and Caroline have had no scenes together this year. If anyone can understand some of what Caroline is going through its Tyler, who was up until this season extremely close to Caroline, yet hasn't been around to comfort Caroline as Liz is dying. The core relationships of this show should have never been cast aside. They are each others emotional touchstones and that is now missing on TVD. Speaking of that, because Jer and Elena's relationship has been non existent for the most part that entire scene between them just rang hollow for me and felt emotionless. You are guys are rarely on scene together doing anything remotely sibling related because too much screen time is sucked up by 'ships and not by defining character relationships. Hell I have forgotten Alaric is still on the show. *shakes head*
Ok stop effing around writers...get Bonnie back, pronto. You dragged it on too long now. I'm hoping when Bonnie comes back she is Dark Bonnie (think season 6 Dark Willow/depressed suicidal back from the dead Buffy) where she acts out because she is still feeling isolated and depressed. And no one really understands why she isn't just happy to be alive and back. Go on a terror, Bon.
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Post by crimmyj on Feb 6, 2015 14:41:35 GMT -5
Forgot what I hated, too. ENZO... why does he think Damon cares about killing Sarah or not. Damon killed so many people and never felt bad about it. Why does Enzo think that Damon cares about killing Sarah? As far as I know Damon he already forgot about it. So Enzo hates Stefan for something Damon doesn't even care about? That's just silly Enzo and Damon haven't even bothered to see each other since Damon's return. Enzo keeps doing all this stuff in the name of Damon, who doesn't think about him at all. Damon did seem remorseful in the prison world about the baby more than anyone else, so he'll probably be glad to know Sarah's still alive. It seems like a lead-up to Damon killing Enzo when he finds out what Enzo is doing to Sarah. Poor Matt getting shoved into this awkward story line. That just goes to show you the level of care the writers have to fostering other character relationships/friendships on this show. Enzo & Damon. Jeremy & Elena. Alaric & anybody. Caroline & Tyler. I could go on. Because if it isn't based around a romantic relationship of some sort then that connection just doesnt matter anymore. You are just going to have to assume off screen that these people have stable friendships and lives that don't involve libidos. And based on this assumption, when we do allow any of these platonic relationships any screen time you are just going to have to use back history to feel any sort of emotional resonance. Like next week, when we get our 2nd or 3rd on screen moment between Jer & Alaric. Even though we never see them together anymore, and they havent really shared any meaningful story but I am supposed to feel emotionally connected because of backlogged history that happened in the seasons when the writers actually did care about these types of relationships. That's lazy as hell, writers. *disappointed* |
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Post by demetra on Feb 6, 2015 16:02:39 GMT -5
1) I am giving the episode a 5. 2) I hate those people. gif The episode was well-written, back on track with some of the better-crafted episodes before the fall finale. I enjoyed watching! But, by "those people" I mean the show masters, because they were yanking my Stelena chain quite a bit through the episode. Then -- of course -- just another set up so we have to re-live the season 4 finale. Yet ANOTHER Elena Gilbert master declaration of love for Damon. I imagine this works for Delenas. Unfortunately, really for the first time, I may have come to the conclusion that Elena is an air head. |
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Post by Kiki on Feb 6, 2015 16:07:12 GMT -5
The episode was well-written, back on track with some of the better-crafted episodes before the fall finale. I enjoyed watching! But, by "those people" I mean the show masters, because they were yanking my Stelena chain quite a bit through the episode. Then -- of course -- just another set up so we have to re-live the season 4 finale. Yet ANOTHER Elena Gilbert master declaration of love for Damon. I imagine this works for Delenas. Unfortunately, really for the first time, I may have come to the conclusion that Elena is an air head. EXACTLY... no way she can be saved. She is lost, she'll never be the real Elena again. Today I finally gave up on her. Let's hope Stefan falls in love with someone else because I love to see him in love |
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Post by crimmyj on Feb 6, 2015 16:08:51 GMT -5
The episode was well-written, back on track with some of the better-crafted episodes before the fall finale. I enjoyed watching! But, by "those people" I mean the show masters, because they were yanking my Stelena chain quite a bit through the episode. Then -- of course -- just another set up so we have to re-live the season 4 finale. Yet ANOTHER Elena Gilbert master declaration of love for Damon. I imagine this works for Delenas. Unfortunately, really for the first time, I may have come to the conclusion that Elena is an air head. I feel like we have seen the same scene between them and heard the same words so many times from season 4 on. There is nothing new being discovered here thematically, nothing that is adding to any other story arc or character development. And the crap thing about it is, this screen time is taking away from other characters and family/friendships on this show that used to be important and meaningful. |
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Post by napoli on Feb 6, 2015 16:25:14 GMT -5
I loved the Stefan and Caroline scenes. So funny. And the nearly kiss in the woods felt like Caroline asking for it again and Stefan refusing it again. That's why she said sorry. Because she wanted to kiss him and knew he doesn't want that. Hopefully that's the turn into friendship now. I loved Kai and how he pointed out that Elena changed. Why do the writers plant such scenes into an all Delena episode? There has to be a longtime reason for it. If they would want Delena to work and be epic they wouldn't put a shade on it all the time. But I hated everything Delena. It's cheesier than Stelena has ever been and everything Delenafans were complaining about Stelena is happening to Delena now and they love it? I like the past and present storyline. But how can the bear be in the woods and in the Salvatore house at the same time. There was only one bear. How can it be in the woods if Bonnie sent it away in 1994? And also how can the whiskey bottle be still full and closed if Bonnie already drank it in 1994?  Other than that... how awkward must filming this episode have been for Nina? So many scenes with her EX and her current lover in one set... It's not true time travel. It's a snapshot of one day with the eclipse in 1994 for Kai's prison. There are no repercussions because it's not really happening except for Bonnie. This is why Damon's bottle is still full and the bear is still in the woods. The two places - Kai's prison and the TVD world where the characters 'live' - never exist(ed) (overlapped) in the same place or time. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 16:38:48 GMT -5
The episode was well-written, back on track with some of the better-crafted episodes before the fall finale. I enjoyed watching! But, by "those people" I mean the show masters, because they were yanking my Stelena chain quite a bit through the episode. Then -- of course -- just another set up so we have to re-live the season 4 finale. Yet ANOTHER Elena Gilbert master declaration of love for Damon. I imagine this works for Delenas. Unfortunately, really for the first time, I may have come to the conclusion that Elena is an air head. EXACTLY... no way she can be saved. She is lost, she'll never be the real Elena again. Today I finally gave up on her. Let's hope Stefan falls in love with someone else because I love to see him in love I will never give up on her, but I understand why you feel that way. She's nothing like the Elena I remembered, and with each passing episode, it grows more and more apparent why that is the case. The writers have done a terrible job with her character the last few years. She's the heroine of the show-- the heart and soul... the moral compass, yet they've treated her like a secondary character, completely erasing those qualities we've come to love and admire about her. Plus, they saddled her with Damon--the enabler, who enabled her to tap into her darker qualities, and suffice to say, she has never been the same ever since. If all of this is to prove a point, then point proven! We get it, now turn her back! Give us the character the show deserves, the character we deserve, cause this version is just a hollow shell, not worthy of the attention she garners. I honestly hope the writers come to their senses with this. |
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Post by napoli on Feb 6, 2015 16:40:51 GMT -5
I loved the Stefan and Caroline scenes. So funny. And the nearly kiss in the woods felt like Caroline asking for it again and Stefan refusing it again. That's why she said sorry. Because she wanted to kiss him and knew he doesn't want that. Hopefully that's the turn into friendship now. I loved Kai and how he pointed out that Elena changed. Why do the writers plant such scenes into an all Delena episode? There has to be a longtime reason for it. If they would want Delena to work and be epic they wouldn't put a shade on it all the time. But I hated everything Delena. It's cheesier than Stelena has ever been and everything Delenafans were complaining about Stelena is happening to Delena now and they love it? I like the past and present storyline. But how can the bear be in the woods and in the Salvatore house at the same time. There was only one bear. How can it be in the woods if Bonnie sent it away in 1994? And also how can the whiskey bottle be still full and closed if Bonnie already drank it in 1994? Other than that... how awkward must filming this episode have been for Nina? So many scenes with her EX and her current lover in one set... I love those mentions, too. However, I don't think they are tiny clues planted by the writers in order to slowly end them. They're just telling the audience "Yes, we're aware. DE is dysfunctional. But they're here to stay, so please just accept/enjoy it and occasionally we will use their dysfunctionality to show some self-irony and make you, the audience, laugh." I have to agree with Kiki on this one. Although those scenes do make me laugh I don't believe they're supposed to. TVD isn't a comedy and those type of scenes are just way too often to be dismissed as comedic relief. The writers are intentionally keeping SE in the story even though they are no longer a couple. The writers have said since the beginning TVD revolves around a love triangle. While SE were together there were many scenes with Damon insinuating himself in Elena's life even though she was happily dating his own brother. Now that DE are together, given that Stefan would never be disrespectful of his brother's or Elena's relationship, Stefan keeps his distance romantically but the writers still need a way to keep the triangle alive. It's through the dialogue of continually mentioning SE that they do this. If the writers really wanted SE to be dead and done with they would never mention them. They have had SE in the friend zone since s4 and they have ramped up Steroline in high gear (the promo next week has them kissing) so there is no reason to talk of SE if they really wanted us to forget about them. The active story line has completely dismissed them yet the triangle has to be in play so the writers' keep it alive with those types of comments. |
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Post by Kiki on Feb 6, 2015 16:49:01 GMT -5
I love those mentions, too. However, I don't think they are tiny clues planted by the writers in order to slowly end them. They're just telling the audience "Yes, we're aware. DE is dysfunctional. But they're here to stay, so please just accept/enjoy it and occasionally we will use their dysfunctionality to show some self-irony and make you, the audience, laugh." I have to agree with Kiki on this one. Although those scenes do make me laugh I don't believe they're supposed to. TVD isn't a comedy and those type of scenes are just way too often to be dismissed as comedic relief. The writers are intentionally keeping SE in the story even though they are no longer a couple. The writers have said since the beginning TVD revolves around a love triangle. While SE were together there were many scenes with Damon insinuating himself in Elena's life even though she was happily dating his own brother. Now that DE are together, given that Stefan would never be disrespectful of his brother's or Elena's relationship, Stefan keeps his distance romantically but the writers still need a way to keep the triangle alive. It's through the dialogue of continually mentioning SE that they do this. If the writers really wanted SE to be dead and done with they would never mention them. They have had SE in the friend zone since s4 and they have ramped up Steroline in high gear (the promo next week has them kissing) so there is no reason to talk of SE if they really wanted us to forget about them. The active story line has completely dismissed them yet the triangle has to be in play so the writers' keep it alive with those types of comments. What I felt was Elena making sure AGAIN that she has no more feelings for Stefan although Kai made her think about it again and that her love for Stefan is something that happened in the past. And Caroline Dries keeps telling us that they want to put obstacles in the way for Delena... maybe Kai mentioning that Elena changed for the worse was supposed to be just another obstacle and it took less than 1 episode to overcome it and this is supposed to be epic Sometimes I am not sure if the writers are hinting something or if it's just a weak attempt to make Delena epic. |
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Post by LA on Feb 6, 2015 16:52:14 GMT -5
Forgot what I hated, too. ENZO... why does he think Damon cares about killing Sarah or not. Damon killed so many people and never felt bad about it. Why does Enzo think that Damon cares about killing Sarah? As far as I know Damon he already forgot about it. So Enzo hates Stefan for something Damon doesn't even care about? That's just silly Yes! I forgot to include my feelings about Enzo in mine. I am so over Enzo, I really think he needs to find a new hobby. His obsession with Stefan is just so far beyond childish and boring at this point. And he changes so constantly that it gives me whiplash. I just can't buy that he's doing all of this to relieve Damon of his guilt when he hasn't spent a second with his 'best' friend since he came back from the dead. I don't understand his motives, and I'm just ready for him to go away now. Honestly, I think it would have been better if he had never come back. I just don't feel like he's added anything to this season at all. |
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Post by napoli on Feb 6, 2015 17:03:25 GMT -5
I have to agree with Kiki on this one. Although those scenes do make me laugh I don't believe they're supposed to. TVD isn't a comedy and those type of scenes are just way too often to be dismissed as comedic relief. The writers are intentionally keeping SE in the story even though they are no longer a couple. The writers have said since the beginning TVD revolves around a love triangle. While SE were together there were many scenes with Damon insinuating himself in Elena's life even though she was happily dating his own brother. Now that DE are together, given that Stefan would never be disrespectful of his brother's or Elena's relationship, Stefan keeps his distance romantically but the writers still need a way to keep the triangle alive. It's through the dialogue of continually mentioning SE that they do this. If the writers really wanted SE to be dead and done with they would never mention them. They have had SE in the friend zone since s4 and they have ramped up Steroline in high gear (the promo next week has them kissing) so there is no reason to talk of SE if they really wanted us to forget about them. The active story line has completely dismissed them yet the triangle has to be in play so the writers' keep it alive with those types of comments. What I felt was Elena making sure AGAIN that she has no more feelings for Stefan although Kai made her think about it again and that her love for Stefan is something that happened in the past. And Caroline Dries keeps telling us that they want to put obstacles in the way for Delena... maybe Kai mentioning that Elena changed for the worse was supposed to be just another obstacle and it took less than 1 episode to overcome it and this is supposed to be epic Sometimes I am not sure if the writers are hinting something or if it's just a weak attempt to make Delena epic. You need to remember too that when SE were together Elena was continually reassuring Stefan that she loved HIM. That she would always choose HIM. SE were soul mates. SE were epic. Everyone was rooting for them on the show. Could you have ever imagined that Elena would have chosen Damon? Yet she did but the writers had to take Elena to her darkest place and had to change her in order to love Damon. Her character has done a complete flip - as brought up again by Kai although this isn't any new information but rather a reminder. I don't believe the writers are done with her development. Elena can easily change again either by becoming human or by having her full humanity. It's a matter of when it will happen. |
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Post by Kiki on Feb 6, 2015 17:09:21 GMT -5
What I felt was Elena making sure AGAIN that she has no more feelings for Stefan although Kai made her think about it again and that her love for Stefan is something that happened in the past. And Caroline Dries keeps telling us that they want to put obstacles in the way for Delena... maybe Kai mentioning that Elena changed for the worse was supposed to be just another obstacle and it took less than 1 episode to overcome it and this is supposed to be epic Sometimes I am not sure if the writers are hinting something or if it's just a weak attempt to make Delena epic. You need to remember too that when SE were together Elena was continually reassuring Stefan that she loved HIM. That she would always choose HIM. SE were soul mates. SE were epic. Everyone was rooting for them on the show. Could you have ever imagined that Elena would have chosen Damon? Yet she did but the writers had to take Elena to her darkest place and had to change her in order to love Damon. Her character has done a complete flip - as brought up again by Kai although this isn't any new information but rather a reminder. I don't believe the writers are done with her development. Elena can easily change again either by becoming human or by having her full humanity. It's a matter of when it will happen. I'm torn by this episode. They pointed out AGAIN that Human Elena loved Stefan and Vamplena loved Damon.... is this a hint that she might become human again soon? But even if she does... after what she has done to Stefan her love for him wasn't as strong as his love for her. So is she worth of him? I'm not sure. At least Caroline's love is real and she hates Damon so no danger to betray Stefan there. .... well... but reading the latest sypnosis... Why is Damon helping Caroline with her grief and why doesn't it say anything about Stefan? |
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Post by napoli on Feb 6, 2015 17:30:39 GMT -5
You need to remember too that when SE were together Elena was continually reassuring Stefan that she loved HIM. That she would always choose HIM. SE were soul mates. SE were epic. Everyone was rooting for them on the show. Could you have ever imagined that Elena would have chosen Damon? Yet she did but the writers had to take Elena to her darkest place and had to change her in order to love Damon. Her character has done a complete flip - as brought up again by Kai although this isn't any new information but rather a reminder. I don't believe the writers are done with her development. Elena can easily change again either by becoming human or by having her full humanity. It's a matter of when it will happen. I'm torn by this episode. They pointed out AGAIN that Human Elena loved Stefan and Vamplena loved Damon.... is this a hint that she might become human again soon? But even if she does... after what she has done to Stefan her love for him wasn't as strong as his love for her. So is she worth of him? I'm not sure. At least Caroline's love is real and she hates Damon so no danger to betray Stefan there. .... well... but reading the latest sypnosis... Why is Damon helping Caroline with her grief and why doesn't it say anything about Stefan? Elena loved Damon when was human too. This was revealed just this season. Elena loved Stefan as a vampire as shown when she first became a vampire. She chose Stefan over Damon while a human and she chose Damon over Stefan while a vampire. Yet as a vampire she had to change for the worse as continually is mentioned by the writers in order for her to choose Damon over Stefan. There is still so much story to tell with her character development and she will be worthy of his love. Comparing what Elena went through when becoming a vampire (losing her love for Stefan) versus Stefan's feelings for Elena isn't fair. Newbie vampire Stefan wouldn't have been able either to sustain a healthy loving relationship with anyone because of his descent into darkness. It's similar with what Elena is going through. She isn't able to sustain a healthy loving relationship but remains drawn to darkness and dysfunction. Reading the individual synopsis won't give you the full picture of what's going to happen. Steroline will happen but it doesn't mean they will be soul mates. It's just a matter of which one of them realises they just don't work. |
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Post by demetra on Feb 6, 2015 19:14:04 GMT -5
EXACTLY... no way she can be saved. She is lost, she'll never be the real Elena again. Today I finally gave up on her. Let's hope Stefan falls in love with someone else because I love to see him in love I will never give up on her, but I understand why you feel that way. She's nothing like the Elena I remembered, and with each passing episode, it grows more and more apparent why that is the case. The writers have done a terrible job with her character the last few years. She's the heroine of the show-- the heart and soul... the moral compass, yet they've treated her like a secondary character, completely erasing those qualities we've come to love and admire about her. Plus, they saddled her with Damon--the enabler, who enabled her to tap into her darker qualities, and suffice to say, she has never been the same ever since. If all of this is to prove a point, then point proven! We get it, now turn her back! Give us the character the show deserves, the character we deserve, cause this version is just a hollow shell, not worthy of the attention she garners. I honestly hope the writers come to their senses with this. I totally agree with you, @dman24. This is exactly how I feel about Elena's character. |
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Well if you do somehow get a chance to watch it later, let me know what you think. 
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Well if you do somehow get a chance to watch it later, let me know what you think. 
Hope you're doing well. 
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