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Post by Ruby on Feb 5, 2015 19:59:00 GMT -5
THIS IS A DEBATES AREA THREAD PLEASE READ BELOW lets come together to share our thoughts about tonight's episode! =) All TVD Fans Welcomed including Exclusive Ship fans lol Lets discuss:
What did you Like? What you did not like? What was your favorite scene/quote? What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard?ONLY RULES*When replying to someone's response pleaseBE POLITE AND AVOID BEING RUDE TO SOMEONE'S OPINION. =)You can nicely state why you might disagree without saying"well you're wrong" or "I dont like your opinion"Lets stick to the episode topic xoxo
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Post by aliensoul13 on Feb 5, 2015 23:29:41 GMT -5
Maybe I'll write more later. For now I'll keep it very short. What did you Like?
Jeremy. Ugh, Steven was so good in this episode. I always knew he was a good actor, I think he just lost his enthusiasm for the show for a little while. His tears, being badass and getting to save the day for once. This just reminds me that if the supporting characters were occasionally given the chance to stand in the spotlight, the show would be much better for it. Bonnie Kat. <3 Kai. I'm glad his complete evilness is returning (though I still have a feeling that they're gonna leave hints of Luke's goodness jic they decide to keep him around.) Stefan and Caroline were kind of cute. Still prefer them as friends, but they're gonna happen and if the rest of their "love story" is better than it's been so far, then sure, whatever. Damon was okay in this episode. I know some people were annoyed by Liv, I wasn't. Yeah she shouldn't have wanted to kill an entire bloody coven, but I get where she was coming from. She was grief-stricken, and she does have a point about Kai eventually wanting to kill everyone. What you did not like?
Elena Elena and Damon together. Just no. What was your favorite scene/quote?rofl. That entire bit where Kai describes having emotions. "So I started writing, and this water literally started pooling in my eyes. Has that ever happened to you? Like water just oozing out of my eyeballs like I'm some alien-creature excreting fluids." and Jeremy&Bonnie's last scene together. What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard?
I don't remember anything shocking.
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Post by Anna on Feb 6, 2015 3:31:44 GMT -5
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Post by LA on Feb 6, 2015 3:33:33 GMT -5
It's been a long time since I've made my way into one of these roundtable discussions, I'm not sure if I ever have actually. Anyway, I just figured I'd pop in and actually be present for once, since it's been so long since anything I was happy about happened. So here goes. What did you like?- Kai! He's definitely one of the only things I really love, and have loved all season. He's exactly the kind of villain I am so here for, and his description of when he started to cry was just priceless. I haven't laughed so hard at TVD in a long time. Everything he says is just so sassy. I love it.
- I do have to agree Jeremy was spot on. It's been a long time since I've felt a connection to him as a character, or to his relationship with Bonnie, and he just sold it really well.
- Tyler. One of the reasons I've tuned out so much is because I haven't been able to recognize my favorite character anymore. He's just been so different and ooc lately, but tonight I really felt like he was himself again. I know that a lot of people are gonna be hating on him for his reactions, but I think it was really important, and I'm so glad that it happened.
What did you not like?
- Steroline. I can't even explain how much I am not on board with that ship, it's incredibly forced and painful for me to watch.
- Bonnie Bennett going through agonizing pain and loneliness. This whole storyline where Bonnie is stuck in the time loop has gone on for far too long. It's time to bring her home already. Way past, actually.
- To borrow some things I saw on Tumblr, for an episode that was supposed to be about Bonnie, there sure was an awful lot of Delena. I'm not a fan, never have been, never will be. But that's obviously not going anywhere.
What was your favorite scene/quote? "I never want to see you again" —Tyler Lockwood - I have major issues with Parkwood as a ship, which I have gone into huge detail about in other places, and I don't think here is the place for it. But I am so glad that it's over. I'm not saying that I don't understand Liv's need for vengeance, I mean I'm a Tyler stan, of course I do. I get her decision, but I think that Tyler's was the right one as well. And I think it's incredibly important that he understands the flip side of that coin. I was just really pleased with that whole scene.
What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard? - Honestly, I don't think there was anything that had that effect on me. I was not pleased with several things that happened, but they didn't shock me. I knew they were all coming. I didn't expect Tyler and Liv to split so soon, and had that not been spoiled before I watched the ep, that might have been the winner, but alas. I can say that the performances by Kat and Steven in Bonnie's goodbye scene were really amazing. So that can be what caught me off guard. It was just really emotional, and I loved it.
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Post by Kiki on Feb 6, 2015 11:41:16 GMT -5
I loved the Stefan and Caroline scenes. So funny. And the nearly kiss in the woods felt like Caroline asking for it again and Stefan refusing it again. That's why she said sorry. Because she wanted to kiss him and knew he doesn't want that. Hopefully that's the turn into friendship now. I loved Kai and how he pointed out that Elena changed. Why do the writers plant such scenes into an all Delena episode? There has to be a longtime reason for it. If they would want Delena to work and be epic they wouldn't put a shade on it all the time. But I hated everything Delena. It's cheesier than Stelena has ever been and everything Delenafans were complaining about Stelena is happening to Delena now and they love it? I like the past and present storyline. But how can the bear be in the woods and in the Salvatore house at the same time. There was only one bear. How can it be in the woods if Bonnie sent it away in 1994? And also how can the whiskey bottle be still full and closed if Bonnie already drank it in 1994? Other than that... how awkward must filming this episode have been for Nina? So many scenes with her EX and her current lover in one set...
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Post by aliensoul13 on Feb 6, 2015 12:14:01 GMT -5
I loved the Stefan and Caroline scenes. So funny. And the nearly kiss in the woods felt like Caroline asking for it again and Stefan refusing it again. That's why she said sorry. Because she wanted to kiss him and knew he doesn't want that. Hopefully that's the turn into friendship now. I loved Kai and how he pointed out that Elena changed. Why do the writers plant such scenes into an all Delena episode? There has to be a longtime reason for it. If they would want Delena to work and be epic they wouldn't put a shade on it all the time. But I hated everything Delena. It's cheesier than Stelena has ever been and everything Delenafans were complaining about Stelena is happening to Delena now and they love it? I like the past and present storyline. But how can the bear be in the woods and in the Salvatore house at the same time. There was only one bear. How can it be in the woods if Bonnie sent it away in 1994? And also how can the whiskey bottle be still full and closed if Bonnie already drank it in 1994? Other than that... how awkward must filming this episode have been for Nina? So many scenes with her EX and her current lover in one set... I love those mentions, too. However, I don't think they are tiny clues planted by the writers in order to slowly end them. They're just telling the audience "Yes, we're aware. DE is dysfunctional. But they're here to stay, so please just accept/enjoy it and occasionally we will use their dysfunctionality to show some self-irony and make you, the audience, laugh."
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Post by demetra on Feb 6, 2015 12:41:15 GMT -5
1) I am giving the episode a 5.
2) I hate those people.
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Post by Kiki on Feb 6, 2015 12:45:32 GMT -5
1) I am giving the episode a 5. 2) I hate those people.
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Post by blakely on Feb 6, 2015 13:01:13 GMT -5
Ok... so I thought that this episode was one of the better ones of the season. That being said, I am still not really a fan of this season so far!! Some thoughts n the episode though:
1. I will always be a Stelena first person, but I'm seriously trying hard to accept the whole Delena thing just so I can keep watching and enjoy the season. I would totally be more a DEer if Stefan hadn't dated her first and Damon wasn't just obsessed with Katherine for the 1 season & kept driving a wedge in their relationship, which finally worked due to a dumb sire bond. It's so freakin hard though because I just don't understand the logic. I've been binge watching this whole week, while studying and it just complexes me. This episode Elena still doesn't have her memories, which I don't really know how I feel about it, but all she still remembers about Damon is him being a serial killer/monster that she somehow fell in love with according to her friends. I get the whole "she makes him a better person" thing, but you learn in season 5 that he is still sneaking away on weekends to take revenge on a family from like 60 years ago and goes on a killing spree with Enzo when Katherine in Elena's body breaks up with him... End result, her friend aaron dying. It really sucks to see people like friends and even Kai, who is crazy, talk about how she is transitioning into a worse person. Sad part is I actually agree with him. What I don't understand is that Damon even admits that "He thinks Stelena would still be happening if she hadn't died" in this episode, which was kind of weird, because Elena didn't seem to remember making the decision, so I don't really know how much actually got erased along with her Happy Damon memories. I think the whole sire bond or whatever was a stupid cop out & Elena has had a bunch of kind of dumb cheesy quotes, whether it was the "life is too short" quote from last week to the "I always find my way back to you" quote from this week. I mean ya, you always find your way back to him because you have pretty much ruined everything wit Stefan, who was always there season 1-5 and even when he didn't have his memory still had the instinct to protect you. I know a lot of DEers are going to hate this and say true love conquers all and all that stuff and please remember I'm trying to convert to a DEer, but there relationship which can be cute at times just is really too much of a roller coaster for me, usually self inflicted, & Stelena was nice because in my opinion it was one of the constant things you could rely on when everything else in their life was being a roller coaster. I guess RANT is over ... sorry just haven't been on here in awhile and don't get the logic
Plot Twist: Remember back in season 3, Ghost Rose told Jeremy that Stefan will always be good for Elena & Damon was either the best or worst thing for her. I think all of the above will happen. I think in the beginning of her being a vampire, Damon was the best thing for her because he showed her how to actually be a vampire and how it could be an awesome thing, which lets be real she needed because Stefan is a great teacher but not many can do his vampire lifestyle. I think now we are starting to kind of see how she is transitioning to not as good ... coming to the worst part. I think they will see this and Damon will realize this eventually between season 6 & 7 and actually be selfless and end it or something. Then maybe Stelena since he will always be good and I can't help but remember how many times always was used in seasons 1-4. & besides I really miss the old witty Damon that use to be cunning & use to do his own thing but you always saw some redeeming qualities in him.
Sorry for all that
2. Have kind of been against the Whole Steroline ship but this episode actually kind of made me like it but I still don't want it to happen. Caroline is Stefan's Lexi now and I would just hate to see it go away or change
3. Really interested to see where Bonny goes from here with Jeremy leaving next episode!! They have always been kind of a thing in one way or another so it will be interesting to see what happens with Delena and Steroline happening around her.
4.Actually kind of liked Kai this episode with a little humanity in him... Think there might be hope for him!!
5. Dont know whether to feel bad for tyler or not to be honest. Kind of mad at him for walking out on caroline so it feels like karma but still feel bad for him
6. Kind of hate Enzo & I feel like his plan is going to screw something up.. which is kind of the point i guess but I feel like Stefan is going to have to tell Damon eventually
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 13:11:24 GMT -5
I liked the episode ... 5 points, have to rewatch though, I kinda rushed through the episode today morning! And what I have to digest is, Jer leaving and Jer's scenes with Bon. A good thing I had to rush off to work, otherwise I would have turned on the watertap again!
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Post by deb on Feb 6, 2015 13:20:56 GMT -5
Ratings 0.8/1.67mil
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Post by jennifer on Feb 6, 2015 13:33:10 GMT -5
1) I am giving the episode a 5. 2) I hate those people. I get this! Or at least I have my own version. The episode itself was so well done, the acting good, the pacing between dramatic moments and emotional ones pretty much perfect. The moments felt real again. I got caught up in the episode, which also meant hating that Damon and Elena are going to be who they are, no discussion, no regrets, no apologies, just a dysfunctional couple every character is totally fine with. Even the glaringly obvious point that Elena can't remember who she was as a human or who she became as a vampire was teased and dropped. Elena fighting for her independent self outside of her relationship with Damon, something she did consistently with Stefan, is beyond her emotional range. Or she's in total denial. Doubt it matters. Once I wrote them off, about the time Elena joked about Silas being pretty hot, I could fully appreciate the other stories - Liv's rage, Kai's confusion (is it real?), Damon's obvious caring for Bonnie, Stefan laughing, Caroline trying her very best, then all things Bonnie: her desperation, her persistence against all odds, Jeremy being there for her, the Thelma & Louise ride off into the sunset. Like a true heroine, she's cruising toward picking up the pieces of her life again.
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Post by jennifer on Feb 6, 2015 13:37:02 GMT -5
I liked the episode ... 5 points, have to rewatch though, I kinda rushed through the episode today morning! And what I have to digest is, Jer leaving and Jer's scenes with Bon. A good thing I had to rush off to work, otherwise I would have turned on the watertap again! My waterworks were flowing last night, and just when I got over the scene of Jeremy & Bonnie, then they showed the promo for next week.
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Post by Kiki on Feb 6, 2015 13:40:15 GMT -5
Forgot what I hated, too. ENZO... why does he think Damon cares about killing Sarah or not. Damon killed so many people and never felt bad about it. Why does Enzo think that Damon cares about killing Sarah? As far as I know Damon he already forgot about it. So Enzo hates Stefan for something Damon doesn't even care about? That's just silly
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Post by aliensoul13 on Feb 6, 2015 13:47:29 GMT -5
Forgot what I hated, too. ENZO... why does he think Damon cares about killing Sarah or not. Damon killed so many people and never felt bad about it. Why does Enzo think that Damon cares about killing Sarah? As far as I know Damon he already forgot about it. So Enzo hates Stefan for something Damon doesn't even care about? That's just silly lol I forgot Enzo was in the episode. The actor is good, the character and the writing for him is not. Just go away. Matt and Sarah were cute even though that's not the direction the writers are going.
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