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Post by debbie on May 27, 2014 7:59:33 GMT -5
Very well said leelala, @shoe is right, Elena was purposely left out of Damon's heart to heart, almost never hearing Damon's true emotion. You can take it 2 ways, the way shoe20 did and think it will be easier for Elena to move on...but I chose to agree with you. Elena knows how Damon feels, she just has yet to hear it, I think they are saving that for s6. And because delena had way more bad times than good, yet she was still willing to die by his side, says something not only about how strong they are together but how strong they will be on his return (it's no coincidence they proved how strong they are in the finale, an intro for what's to come). Same for defan, but in their case, it's also a matter of not realizing what you have until it's gone. This!! And I believe that it will take a little bit of time to get there but when they do it will be epic!! As long as they dont ruin it with Bonnie/Damon getting amnesia.. I've heard that spec going around I've heard that... I also heard Damon will be human, and Bonnie will be a demon-they are just rumours. Besides, I doubt they'll go down the amnesia route again been there done that and look how long it lasted. Same with the human Damon, has too much of the even there done that feel. How about the gang being happy for once, that's never been explored
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Post by shoe20 on May 27, 2014 8:49:13 GMT -5
This!! And I believe that it will take a little bit of time to get there but when they do it will be epic!! As long as they dont ruin it with Bonnie/Damon getting amnesia.. I've heard that spec going around I've heard that... I also heard Damon will be human, and Bonnie will be a demon-they are just rumors. Besides, I doubt they'll go down the amnesia route again been there done that and look how long it lasted. Same with the human Damon, has too much of the even there done that feel. How about the gang being happy for once, that's never been explored I wouldn't dismiss the Damon/human rumor too easily. What's the one thing Damon never wants to be again...human! (island, anyone?), and what do TVD writers like to do to characters? Elena told us several times she never wanted to be a vamp, just like Damon told Elena about being human "can't think of anything worse” ?' I'm just saying TVD writers like to give their character's their worst nightmare. It's a two fer, lol Didn't think it was and my response wasn't meant to be a challenge..... I think the writers will definitely restore Defan by the end of the series...How could they not! The way I look at the series is, "Elena's love for both brothers being the catalyst for each of them to find redemption." Not as: "who get's the girl" in the end. Glad you decided to post this site, it's nice to share different views, even though we both know there's little chance of changing the others mind
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Post by Kiki on May 27, 2014 9:48:12 GMT -5
debbie I think the brothers story has so much potential, and maybe Damons death is just the perfect way to bring them back together... They are both so completely different now, even since they were human... Katherine ruined their pure, honest bond and I hope this is what makes them really reconnect.. The triangle isnt in play, Stefan is no longer in love with Elena and has accepted DE and moved on, so its the perfect opportunity for them to come back to being brothers.. What makes you think that Stefan is no longer in Love with Elena? Yes he accepted DE but didn't he just say he will always love her at the fireplace before Elena destroyed that moment with her Damonproblems? I think he is still madly in love with her. Like Klaus said This love will never die. But he let her go because he wants her to get what she wants and accepts her free will no matter how bad he gets hurt in the process. I think now that Damon is gone Elena will realize what she let go for this toxic relationship and she will think different about her breakup with Stefan
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Post by crimmyj on May 27, 2014 10:12:12 GMT -5
I've heard that... I also heard Damon will be human, and Bonnie will be a demon-they are just rumours. Besides, I doubt they'll go down the amnesia route again been there done that and look how long it lasted. Same with the human Damon, has too much of the even there done that feel. How about the gang being happy for once, that's never been explored I would dismiss the Damon/human rumor too easily. What's the one thing Damon never wants to be again (island, anyone?), and what do TVD writers like to do to characters? Elena told us several times she never wanted to be a vamp, just like Damon told Elena about being human "can't think of anything worse” ?' I'm just saying TVD writers like to give their character's their worst nightmare. It's a two fer, lol Didn't think it was and my response wasn't meant to be a challenge..... I think the writers will definitely restore Defan by the end of the series...How could they not! The way I look at the series is, "Elena's love for both brothers being the catalyst for each of them to find redemption." Not as: "who get's the girl" in the end. Glad you decided to post this site, it's nice to share different views, even though we both know there's little chance of changing the others mind This. This x1000.
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Post by shoe20 on May 27, 2014 13:35:16 GMT -5
crimmyj, tks....just a word about how I use the thumbs-up button. I didn't want you to think I was liking my own post.(but I do, lol) I use it most of the time to let posters know I read their response and thanks. Probably not the way most posters use it, but what the H do I know maybe it is. LOL I can't believe we have such a long haitus before we get another ep to discuss. Ruby's trying to keep us busy with the new thread..... she's great!!!!! We need a party here....T-Shirts and Chunky Monkey. Party on dudes and dudets!
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Post by shoe20 on May 27, 2014 14:10:22 GMT -5
debbie I think the brothers story has so much potential, and maybe Damons death is just the perfect way to bring them back together... They are both so completely different now, even since they were human... Katherine ruined their pure, honest bond and I hope this is what makes them really reconnect.. The triangle isnt in play, Stefan is no longer in love with Elena and has accepted DE and moved on, so its the perfect opportunity for them to come back to being brothers.. What makes you think that Stefan is no longer in Love with Elena? Yes he accepted DE but didn't he just say he will always love her at the fireplace before Elena destroyed that moment with her Damonproblems? I think he is still madly in love with her. Like Klaus said This love will never die. But he let her go because he wants her to get what she wants and accepts her free will no matter how bad he gets hurt in the process. I think now that Damon is gone Elena will realize what she let go for this toxic relationship and she will think different about her breakup with Stefan Kiki, I agree.....The Stefan and Elena fireside chat proved they both still loved each other. The "in love, with who" portion is still in doubt for me until I see a couple of eps in 6. Elena's death in the finale is a big reset for her character, and anyone that thinks she's going right back to her co-dependance-obsession in S6 is deluding themselves. It's a brand new day!!! la la la Elena's death in the finale IS JP's (or CD's)! reset of Elena's character. Her standing over her chard body at the "Blumario" was not done with the appropriate screen time and a bit cheezy, but make no mistake it is a rebirth similar to 401 when she transitioned into a vamp. I'm still pitching the SB " didn't die until Damon did" theory. It's the only thing I can come up with that gives Elena a pass, and reconstructs my ship. (hope springs) "Most of us here are looking for that!" Personally, I don't see how you can watch 5 seasons of eps and not have a ship (either side is fine)......that was JP's plan all along. Hey, I could be screwed up, and DE has been the end-game all along. Not..Not..Not..Not..Not what I believe. I find it interesting that most DE supporters think that DE end-game is the prize and is just a matter of time, and Elena's death means nothing to the SL unbelievable, to me. LoL, but I'm a simple man. lolololo
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Post by crimmyj on May 27, 2014 14:50:05 GMT -5
crimmyj, tks....just a word about how I use the thumbs-up button. I didn't want you to think I was liking my own post.(but I do, lol) I use it most of the time to let posters know I read their response and thanks. Probably not the way most posters use it, but what the H do I know maybe it is. LOL I can't believe we have such a long haitus before we get another ep to discuss. Ruby's trying to keep us busy with the new thread..... she's great!!!!! We need a party here....T-Shirts and Chunky Monkey. Party on dudes and dudets! Let's not squash my theory that you thumbs up your own posts because you are a narcissist. ha! We could always re hash episode by episode of Season 5 again, and do our own rewrites of where the writers went wrong and come up with our own specs. I can even put my own ships aside and choke up some good storylines for all the characters. Even some of the die hard SE folk in here could probably write a better DE episode than what the writers did this season. I think the sire bond might qualify as the worst decision of season 5. My hope for season 6 is to not hear anything about the travelers ever again.
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Post by damonsgirl on May 27, 2014 15:02:27 GMT -5
DE supporters are no different to SE in the fact that both want their ship to be happy together, and engame, that is the PRIZE for shippers. I want Damon happy, and fulfilled for my endgame prize, and weirdly, he seemed to be in a good place with his speech to Elena in the finale. I have never seen Damon so at peace, fulfilled and accepting. In his own words "he peaked". In that moment, he had everything he ever wanted, true love, his brother and redemption. I am sad that it took his death for him to reach this point, but there goes the story of a tragic anti hero. WRT Elenas death, it had no other meaning other to show, rather than tell how much Elena loves Damon. God knows they did a piss poor job throughout the rest of S5.
It is with trepidation and nervousness that I look to S6, whatever the writers have planned, I can almost guarantee that Damon will not fair well.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 15:08:16 GMT -5
DE supporters are no different to SE in the fact that both want their ship to be happy together, and engame, that is the PRIZE for shippers. I want Damon happy, and fulfilled for my endgame prize, and weirdly, he seemed to be in a good place with his speech to Elena in the finale. I have never seen Damon so at peace, fulfilled and accepting. In his own words "he peaked". In that moment, he had everything he ever wanted, true love, his brother and redemption. I am sad that it took his death for him to reach this point, but there goes the story of a tragic anti hero. WRT Elenas death, it had no other meaning other to show, rather than tell how much Elena loves Damon. God knows they did a piss poor job throughout the rest of S5. It is with trepidation and nervousness that I look to S6, whatever the writers have planned, I can almost guarantee that Damon will not fair well. DE supporters are no different to SE in the fact that both want their ship to be happy together, and engame, that is the PRIZE for shippers. I want Damon happy, and fulfilled for my endgame prize, and weirdly, he seemed to be in a good place with his speech to Elena in the finale. I have never seen Damon so at peace, fulfilled and accepting. In his own words "he peaked". In that moment, he had everything he ever wanted, true love, his brother and redemption.
I am sad that it took his death for him to reach this point, but there goes the story of a tragic anti hero.
Agreed 100%, that is exactly what I was trying to say when I wrote that he pulled a Sidney Carton. “ It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known. ” A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens
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Post by vampcares on May 27, 2014 15:37:14 GMT -5
The purgatory needed to be destroyed on S6.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 15:48:41 GMT -5
Julie Plec teased that Damon and Bonnie will be brought back different from the way they were when they died. It would be an acceptable consequence of resurrection from wherever they are if they came back with permanent amnesia, but something tells me that Damon and Bonnie will be shown at peace throughout Season 6, and in the finale when the contracts are up, one or both of those characters will be brought back in different bodies. JP said that she thinks TVD will probably run for seven seasons, and she's said in the past that the show will last as long as the main three actors are on it. I don't think she'd be breaking with her decision much if a different actor plays Damon for the final season. The plot twist of characters coming back in different bodies is already being done on TO, and TVD and TO usually run parallel with mythology and some storylines in spite of the promise JP made that the shows would be kept separate. I don't see the point of bringing Damon and Bonnie back at all, though. Maybe someone will bring them back temporarily, long enough to show severe consequences, and then they'll die again and the other characters will be forced to leave them in peace.
As far as an endgame relationship, if Nina Dobrev wants Elena to have stability and a life away from the supernatural, and Nina's wish is granted when the show ends, then Elena will probably end up human somehow, and with a guy who is human or close to it. I can't be the only one tired of the love triangle. I wouldn't be surprised if, in Season 6, Elena gets somehow forced over the town boundary and the spell only kills the vampire in her because a traveler created doppelgangers and the spell only destroys witch magic. Another possible loophole could be that what Katherine did made Elena a traveler herself, so eliminating the vampire side of her could make her a traveler and a doppelganger. It would be interesting to see Elena practice magic.
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Post by deb on May 27, 2014 16:46:19 GMT -5
What makes you think that Stefan is no longer in Love with Elena? Yes he accepted DE but didn't he just say he will always love her at the fireplace before Elena destroyed that moment with her Damonproblems? I think he is still madly in love with her. Like Klaus said This love will never die. But he let her go because he wants her to get what she wants and accepts her free will no matter how bad he gets hurt in the process. I think now that Damon is gone Elena will realize what she let go for this toxic relationship and she will think different about her breakup with Stefan Kiki, I agree.....The Stefan and Elena fireside chat proved they both still loved each other. The "in love, with who" portion is still in doubt for me until I see a couple of eps in 6. Elena's death in the finale is a big reset for her character, and anyone that thinks she's going right back to her co-dependance-obsession in S6 is deluding themselves. It's a brand new day!!! la la la Elena's death in the finale IS JP's (or CD's)! reset of Elena's character. Her standing over her chard body at the "Blumario" was not done with the appropriate screen time and a bit cheezy, but make no mistake it is a rebirth similar to 401 when she transitioned into a vamp. I'm still pitching the SB " didn't die until Damon did" theory. It's the only thing I can come up with that gives Elena a pass, and reconstructs my ship. (hope springs) "Most of us here are looking for that!" Personally, I don't see how you can watch 5 seasons of eps and not have a ship (either side is fine)......that was JP's plan all along. Hey, I could be screwed up, and DE has been the end-game all along. Not..Not..Not..Not..Not what I believe. I find it interesting that most DE supporters think that DE end-game is the prize and is just a matter of time, and Elena's death means nothing to the SL unbelievable, to me. LoL, but I'm a simple man. lolololo I believe they'll leave it open for discussion, shoe20. As many of you think, I also believe that Elena is going to come back different. She's gone/not herself for too long now and I can't beleive the writers would risk having THIS Elena for another full season. Nobody likes her anymore. So, next season, I believe we'll see the old, caring, selfless, kind Elena slowly coming back. But the writers may never explain why. Some of the fans will say the sire bond is finally gone because Damon died. Some will say it happened because she's not bending her morals to be with Damon anymore(her words, not mine!) . Some will say it just happened because her life evolved that way. For the same reasons you said, my favorite possibility is the sire bond being finally gone. Otherwise, I don't think I can ever forgive Elena for everything she did...
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Post by vampcares on May 27, 2014 16:55:58 GMT -5
Kiki, I agree.....The Stefan and Elena fireside chat proved they both still loved each other. The "in love, with who" portion is still in doubt for me until I see a couple of eps in 6. Elena's death in the finale is a big reset for her character, and anyone that thinks she's going right back to her co-dependance-obsession in S6 is deluding themselves. It's a brand new day!!! la la la Elena's death in the finale IS JP's (or CD's)! reset of Elena's character. Her standing over her chard body at the "Blumario" was not done with the appropriate screen time and a bit cheezy, but make no mistake it is a rebirth similar to 401 when she transitioned into a vamp. I'm still pitching the SB " didn't die until Damon did" theory. It's the only thing I can come up with that gives Elena a pass, and reconstructs my ship. (hope springs) "Most of us here are looking for that!" Personally, I don't see how you can watch 5 seasons of eps and not have a ship (either side is fine)......that was JP's plan all along. Hey, I could be screwed up, and DE has been the end-game all along. Not..Not..Not..Not..Not what I believe. I find it interesting that most DE supporters think that DE end-game is the prize and is just a matter of time, and Elena's death means nothing to the SL unbelievable, to me. LoL, but I'm a simple man. lolololo I believe they'll leave it open for discussion, shoe20. As many of you think, I also believe that Elena is going to come back different. She's gone/not herself for too long now and I can't beleive the writers would risk having THIS Elena for another full season. Nobody likes her anymore. So, next season, I believe we'll see the old, caring, selfless, kind Elena slowly coming back. But the writers may never explain why. Some of the fans will say the sire bond is finally gone because Damon died. Some will say it happened because she's not bending her morals to be with Damon anymore(her words, not mine!) . Some will say it just happened because her life evolved that way. For the same reasons you said, my favorite possibility is the sire bond being finally gone. Otherwise, I don't think I can ever forgive Elena for everything she did... Same here deb but forgiving doesn't mean forgetting and for the sake of Stefan Inviato dal mio Xperia U utilizzando Tapatalk
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Post by leelala on May 27, 2014 17:01:17 GMT -5
I've heard that... I also heard Damon will be human, and Bonnie will be a demon-they are just rumors. Besides, I doubt they'll go down the amnesia route again been there done that and look how long it lasted. Same with the human Damon, has too much of the even there done that feel. How about the gang being happy for once, that's never been explored I wouldn't dismiss the Damon/human rumor too easily. What's the one thing Damon never wants to be again...human! (island, anyone?), and what do TVD writers like to do to characters? Elena told us several times she never wanted to be a vamp, just like Damon told Elena about being human "can't think of anything worse” ?' I'm just saying TVD writers like to give their character's their worst nightmare. Unfortunately I agree, JP is mean!! lol
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Post by leelala on May 27, 2014 17:13:34 GMT -5
debbie I think the brothers story has so much potential, and maybe Damons death is just the perfect way to bring them back together... They are both so completely different now, even since they were human... Katherine ruined their pure, honest bond and I hope this is what makes them really reconnect.. The triangle isnt in play, Stefan is no longer in love with Elena and has accepted DE and moved on, so its the perfect opportunity for them to come back to being brothers.. What makes you think that Stefan is no longer in Love with Elena? Yes he accepted DE but didn't he just say he will always love her at the fireplace before Elena destroyed that moment with her Damonproblems? I think he is still madly in love with her. Like Klaus said This love will never die. But he let her go because he wants her to get what she wants and accepts her free will no matter how bad he gets hurt in the process. Yeah they both said they would always love each other but theres a difference between being in love and having love for someone... That fireplace scene was them finding common ground and accepting that what they had was great and meaningful but they BOTH came to a mutual understanding of friendship... Stefan even said, you can either be in love with you or be friends with you .. So the fact that he had accepted her as his friend and made that comment is proof of him no longer being in love..
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