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Post by damonsgirl on May 23, 2014 14:56:31 GMT -5
amimi it kind of happened in the books. Damon and Bonnie got stuck in the dark dimension together (very similar to what happened on the show now) and since there was nobody else to keep Bonnie save Damon cared for her and he loved her. And Bonnie loved him, too but she thought he was in love with Elena so she kept her feelings secret. There was always a cute tension between them. But they never were a couple although Damon even died saving Bonnie. I would be sooooo happy if they would go there with the show. I would love to see Bamon happen and even more I hope those two will stay on this other side or where ever they are for more than just a few episodes because it would be so great for the show to explore a whole new enviroment. And I think Paul already mentioned it in interviews that he is looking forward to film in places they have never used before. I would like to see this relationship develop, but, Damon is completely in love with Elena. For any organic romantic relationship between Bamon to happen, there would have be a huge time jump, or amnesia to make it remotely believable. A deeper understanding and friendship, Yes. However, I wouldn't put anything past these writers at the moment. |
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Post by Kiki on May 23, 2014 15:06:22 GMT -5
amimi it kind of happened in the books. Damon and Bonnie got stuck in the dark dimension together (very similar to what happened on the show now) and since there was nobody else to keep Bonnie save Damon cared for her and he loved her. And Bonnie loved him, too but she thought he was in love with Elena so she kept her feelings secret. There was always a cute tension between them. But they never were a couple although Damon even died saving Bonnie. I would be sooooo happy if they would go there with the show. I would love to see Bamon happen and even more I hope those two will stay on this other side or where ever they are for more than just a few episodes because it would be so great for the show to explore a whole new enviroment. And I think Paul already mentioned it in interviews that he is looking forward to film in places they have never used before. Wow, okay, but when you say he "loved" her, was it like a sister thing, or were they attracted to each other? Did they kiss? I guess not if she kept her feelings a secret? not it wasn't the sister kind of thing. They loved and cared for each other in such a deep way but they never kissed. There was always this special tension between them but none of them made the final move. Damon not because he was addicted to Elena and Bonnie not because she was sure Damon loved only Elena. But Damon called her his little red bird (Bonnie had red hair in the books) |
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Post by debbie on May 23, 2014 15:46:55 GMT -5
Wow, okay, but when you say he "loved" her, was it like a sister thing, or were they attracted to each other? Did they kiss? I guess not if she kept her feelings a secret? not it wasn't the sister kind of thing. They loved and cared for each other in such a deep way but they never kissed. There was always this special tension between them but none of them made the final move. Damon not because he was addicted to Elena and Bonnie not because she was sure Damon loved only Elena. But Damon called her his little red bird (Bonnie had red hair in the books) Just the thought of Damon calling Bonnie his little bird, knowing these 2 characters as well as we do, just seems a little creepy...Damon is just not that kind of guy. Even sexual tention between them, never say never but I can't see it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 16:22:36 GMT -5
amimi it kind of happened in the books. Damon and Bonnie got stuck in the dark dimension together (very similar to what happened on the show now) and since there was nobody else to keep Bonnie save Damon cared for her and he loved her. And Bonnie loved him, too but she thought he was in love with Elena so she kept her feelings secret. There was always a cute tension between them. But they never were a couple although Damon even died saving Bonnie. I would be sooooo happy if they would go there with the show. I would love to see Bamon happen and even more I hope those two will stay on this other side or where ever they are for more than just a few episodes because it would be so great for the show to explore a whole new enviroment. And I think Paul already mentioned it in interviews that he is looking forward to film in places they have never used before. I would like to see this relationship develop, but, Damon is completely in love with Elena. For any organic romantic relationship between Bamon to happen, there would have be a huge time jump, or amnesia to make it remotely believable. A deeper understanding and friendship, Yes. However, I wouldn't put anything past these writers at the moment. It's for all of the reasons discussed above that I would like to see Bonnie and Damon spend a season in another place that they can't be brought back from within a few episodes. I have the books, but I haven't had a chance yet to read the part where Bonnie and Damon have anything close to a romance. I don't think it's relevant, though, because TV is a different format and the show doesn't follow the books very closely. When Damon said goodbye to Elena, it was clear to me that he felt that death was a good way to distance himself from her for both of their sakes. Damon might have loved only Elena so far, but I don't think that means that he's incapable of loving someone else if the circumstances are right. Bonnie would hesitate to show any feelings for Damon because of Elena, but if they were both in a place where they were convinced they would never even see Elena again, I can see a relationship slowly developing. Many people have been begging for Bamon to happen, they were just drowned out by much louder Delena shippers. I don't know how long Bamon would last. They might break it off when they're resurrected and get back together much later on, or they could be on and off for the rest of the series as part of a new set of love triangles. Steroline and Bamon could be alternate FWB-type relationships that happen between very brief Stelena and Delena stories. It would be wonderful if Bamon turned out to be one endgame relationship for the show. I would like to see how Damon would be in a relationship with another female lead character. We've seen and heard a lot of how Stefan is with other women, but Damon appeared to only ever fall in love with doppelgangers. I'd like to see him removed from that element for a while. |
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Post by katvolley13 on May 29, 2014 19:29:58 GMT -5
I would like to see this relationship develop, but, Damon is completely in love with Elena. For any organic romantic relationship between Bamon to happen, there would have be a huge time jump, or amnesia to make it remotely believable. A deeper understanding and friendship, Yes. However, I wouldn't put anything past these writers at the moment. It's for all of the reasons discussed above that I would like to see Bonnie and Damon spend a season in another place that they can't be brought back from within a few episodes. I have the books, but I haven't had a chance yet to read the part where Bonnie and Damon have anything close to a romance. I don't think it's relevant, though, because TV is a different format and the show doesn't follow the books very closely. When Damon said goodbye to Elena, it was clear to me that he felt that death was a good way to distance himself from her for both of their sakes. Damon might have loved only Elena so far, but I don't think that means that he's incapable of loving someone else if the circumstances are right. Bonnie would hesitate to show any feelings for Damon because of Elena, but if they were both in a place where they were convinced they would never even see Elena again, I can see a relationship slowly developing. Many people have been begging for Bamon to happen, they were just drowned out by much louder Delena shippers. I don't know how long Bamon would last. They might break it off when they're resurrected and get back together much later on, or they could be on and off for the rest of the series as part of a new set of love triangles. Steroline and Bamon could be alternate FWB-type relationships that happen between very brief Stelena and Delena stories. It would be wonderful if Bamon turned out to be one endgame relationship for the show. I would like to see how Damon would be in a relationship with another female lead character. We've seen and heard a lot of how Stefan is with other women, but Damon appeared to only ever fall in love with doppelgangers. I'd like to see him removed from that element for a while. I so want this Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 7:02:58 GMT -5
I can only go by what I've seen, so I voted for the Originals. It was the best of all the shows I watched. They really outdid themselves with that finale. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 7:06:01 GMT -5
I can only go by what I've seen, so I voted for the Originals. It was the best of all the shows I watched. They really outdid themselves with that finale. Yes...it was a splendid season finale, but I voted TVD because it managed to stir my emotions and made me switch back on my humanity again  |
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Post by napoli on Jun 13, 2014 14:08:12 GMT -5
The writers attempt to elicit sympathy for characters dying, permanently, was a failure. Even Stefan dying in the last episode had little impact because we already knew, even if it was just a guess, that he was going to be brought back in the next episode. With Damon and Bonnie its the same thing. In Damon’s case I should’ve been celebrating his demise but instead we know that not only as a main character he will definitely be brought back but that Grams speech to Bonnie basically explained Bonnie’s safety. Personally I can’t wait to see this other dimension/plane and look forward to Bonnie’s return.
I also didn’t understand the ‘darkness’ sucking out the people from the other side. Is this the same darkness Kat went to? The way Vicky, Marcos and Silas were sucked up in a big gust of wind is exactly how Kat was taken away. Is this darkness then another dimension the gang has never had contact with. It seems the only characters that are really gone are those that found peace such as Grams and Lexi.
To say Bonnie was awesome is such an understatement. Even knowing that there was no way to save herself, she still spent her last moments on earth trying to bring back everyone. Even not telling Jeremy was completely understandable. Bonnie was dying, again!, and she did it on her terms and gracefully without pounding on her chest to announce how brave she is by saving everyone.
Caroline was great this episode. Snapping Luke’s neck was pivotal in getting Liv’s cooperation to bring everyone back. The only problem is that she was barely in the rest of the episode.
Conversely, Elena was not only useless this episode but her insistence on accompanying Damon on the suicide mission probably cost Damon those precious moments he could have used to cross back over. Unless of course Elena’s mission was to inflict more pain on Bonnie, both going and coming back, then her mission was accomplished.
I’m glad that Damon decided to tell Elena the truth about his suicide mission especially given it was something that showed him in a good light. Its just too bad he never bothered to tell her the truth of the countless things that wouldn’t have made him look so good. I mean Elena didn’t seem to mind too much when Damon had a weekend getaway to kill Aunt Sara, an innocent Whtimore, so I’m sure Elena would have had no problem forgiving Damon for saving Stefan.
It was important that the writers have DE be in a ‘good-ish’ place before Damon made the sacrifice. This parallels what Stefan did in 2x22 to save Damon from the werewolf bite. Both brothers were in a great place in their lives and each finally had the love of their lives making the sacrifice each made that much more significant. Both brothers were willing to sacrifice their perfect life with their perfect love to save each other. Had DE not declared their love and commitment to each other it would have lessened Damon’s sacrifice because then he wouldn’t have had as much to lose. Damon sacrificing himself this episode to bring Stefan back, even though the plan was to come back himself it did still carry a huge risk to him, is a huge Defan moment.
Elena jumping in the car and not caring whether or not she lives or dies for no other purpose other than to keep her boyfriend company shows how much her character has changed. In s2 during the blood sacrifice when Jenna and Elena were both at risk of dying Elena’s concern was for Jeremy ‘No, Jenna! We can`t leave Jeremy without a family.’ (2x21) and even in s4 when Elena was having difficulties adjusting to her new existence as a vampire ‘I feel hopeless, depressed, angry but most of all I’m scared. Part of me just wants to end it but then I think of Jeremy. I’m all that he has left so I need to find a way through this no matter what it takes.’ (4x05). Even at her lowest moment in s4 she still fought for Jeremy. In s2 even though she let herself be killed by Klaus to keep her family safe realising that Jenna would be gone too left her even more in pain because Jeremy would be left alone. Yet in s5 Elena doesn’t even have a single thought about leaving Jeremy alone and taking a risk for something that she has no purpose. Damon is needed for the detonation of the Mystic Grill but Elena is there just to keep him company. Even on the other side its Alaric that reminds her to hurry up and cross over to get back to her brother. And if Bonnie hadn’t of forced Elena to cross back to life she would be dead and Jeremy would have no family left. This is also a far cry from the independent, strong-willed Elena from s1 who said ‘I’m not going to be one of those pathetic girls, whose world stops spinning because of some guy.’ (1x05) who now puts being with Damon above her own life.
Then Damon agreeing with Elena dying for no purpose is a sharp contrast to Damon’s motto every other time Elena was in danger. ‘ I don’t mind being the bad guy. I’ll make all the life and death decisions, while you’re busy worrying about collateral damage. And I’ll even let her hate me for it. But at the end of the day, I’ll be the one to keep her alive.’ (2x18) Yet now because Elena wants to die for no purpose other than to be by Damon’s side, its okay for Damon for her to die? Elena is nothing but collateral damage in this instance and Damon couldn’t of cared less. Even Elena said in s5 in the cabin with Tessa and Stefan ‘But you told my boyfriend, who would never put anyone’s life before mine including his own, to kill Silas before he could do that.’ (5x06) And now that Elena’s life is at risk for no reason, Damon just smirks at her.
When Elena wanted to die in s2 to save her loved ones Damon forced her to drink his vampire blood. When Elena died in 3x22 to save Matt he went ballistic that she did it for Matt. Yet in those cases Elena chose to sacrifice herself to save her loved ones yet now Damon could care less that Elena’s presence has no use and is at risk to permanently die. I guess for Damon if he’s going to be gone anyways it doesn’t matter to him whether or not Elena makes it because he won’t be there to grieve for her so it doesn’t matter if her life is cut short.
This is sharp contrast, and a parallel story line, of how Stefan reacted when he first learned Elena had decided not to fight Klaus and give herself up for the sacrifice in s2.
Elena: ‘I’m sorry Stefan. I’m just tyring to keep the people that I love safe. I’m tyring to keep you safe.’
Stefan: ‘No, what you’re doing is you’re being a martyr.’
Elena: ‘How is that any different from when you say that you would die to keep me safe.’
Stefan: ‘Because I’ve already lived 162 years I have lived and you’ve barely begun. Now you want to let yourself get killed...that’s not heroic, it’s tragic.’ (2x14)
When Elena got into the car with Damon and insisted and going with him, Damon could have easily snapped her neck and thrown her out of the car to save her. Instead he just went along with Elena tragically killing herself for no purpose. Having Damon be fine with Elena dying for no reason other than to keep him company and Elena wanting to do this for no other reason than to not be apart from her boyfriend for even a moment is the pinnacle of a consuming, controlling and toxic relationship. When DE declared that they are no good for each it was an understatement and this episode solidified DE as an unhealthy relationship.
Damon’s goodbye speech to Elena was beautiful. Damon should have said that speech earlier instead of telling Elena he never wanted see her or hear her voice again.
Damon's sacrifice was a heroic moment but it doesn't erase all the bad things he has done. His actions show how deep his love is for his brother and for Elena but we knew this before hand so there was no fundamental change in Damon's character through this act.
The only moments this episode that actually had emotional impact for me were Grams and Lexi finding peace and Bonnie’s good bye to Jeremy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 19:36:38 GMT -5
I voted for TVD. While the TO finale was great, it's already been officially said that no real progress was made for Klaus' character. He'll be selfish and homicidal again when the show comes back for Season 2, rendering the best parts of the Season 1 finale practically meaningless. Klaus has a very long road to redemption. I have a feeling that the show is ending soon, and that's why Damon and Bonnie will be shown at peace or in flashbacks or hallucinations. It's gotten to a point where the love triangle can't convincingly continue. Considering how the series is going to end (JP and KW planned it out years ago and JP is sticking to it), Elena has to get to a point where she'll accept the loss of Damon and not feel the need to be with Stefan, either. Season 6 will probably see her grow into a more independent young woman. She might even get a new love interest by the end of the series. I think the reason she didn't deviate from the love triangle before, even though Stefan and Damon both slept with other women while claiming to love her, is that Elena might rather be alone than have anything casual. I believe that Steroline is happening slowly because both Bamon and Steroline could be endgame relationships for the show. I'm not sure if Elena will leave Mystic Falls permanently or if Stefan will. The way things are taking shape, it would make more sense for Elena to walk off into the sunset in the end. I hope Elena doesn't die. Killing off the main character is never a good way to end a long-running series. |
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Post by demetra on Jun 13, 2014 20:17:07 GMT -5
I don't see Bamon as end game. Steroline may be a complication in Season Six, but perhaps more to force Stefan to a decision about Caroline. I am back in Season Five up to The Cell. There's more good in it than I allowed the first time through, mainly because it was actually upsetting to watch Elena with Damon, such was my peculiar loyalty to Stefan. Silas was better, too, than I allowed during the season. It was pretty remarkable to see the separate doppelganger depictions. In my mind, at the time, Stefan was never on screen. But Paul Wesley and Nina Dobrev were almost in every frame. Must have been exhausting!
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Post by crimmyj on Jun 13, 2014 20:35:55 GMT -5
I don't see Bamon as end game. Steroline may be a complication in Season Six, but perhaps more to force Stefan to a decision about Caroline. I am back in Season Five up to The Cell. There's more good in it than I allowed the first time through, mainly because it was actually upsetting to watch Elena with Damon, such was my peculiar loyalty to Stefan. Silas was better, too, than I allowed during the season. It was pretty remarkable to see the separate doppelganger depictions. In my mind, at the time, Stefan was never on screen. But Paul Wesley and Nina Dobrev were almost in every frame. Must have been exhausting! I am 2 episodes ahead of you in my rewatch, and I am of the opposite reaction of you. For me the errors and SL ineptitude are worse the 2nd time around when at first watch I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. I'm drinking my way through it. |
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