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Post by shoe20 on May 21, 2014 17:25:39 GMT -5
From all the spoilers I've been reading about S6, debbie.....I'm thinking they are not going to write Stefan or Elena the way we think they will respond to Damon's demise. If Elena and Stefan are not heartbroken it would be completely unrealistic in my opinion. Still think Stefan will spend the next few months completely alone in his own grief. Elena will not be as outwardly grieving but not because she's not upset, she's probably in shock (she discovers the love of her life is dead the same week she realizes how great he is?)...she'll do what Elena does, be there for ric and Jeremy, maybe travel a little, make sure Stefan is safe. How do you think they'll react? I think the idea is to jump past all the grieving and go straight to the coping solutions both have come up with.....much like they jumped past the love summer. I'm not saying there won't be moments of sadness for both....Stefan will still be investigating possibilities, but moving on with his life at the same time.(no ripper ... no guilt) I think they will write Elena as arriving at acceptance and won't be in a constant state of depression. If she really couldn't live without Damon, she would have ended her life....right? Of course I'm just guessing, but JP keeps saying we will be surprised at their state of mind when TVD returns....the time jump could be 6mos to a year...not going to be a 3 mo summer.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 17:35:29 GMT -5
There is not a lot of mention of Damon's death, the most shocking part of the episode? Have fans really lost that much interest in Damon? Obviously his fans are upset about it, but the reason it's not as big of a deal as it should be is because most of them know at some point he'll be back. They know he's not permanently dead, so the uproar isn't as loud as it should be.
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Post by debbie on May 21, 2014 18:00:11 GMT -5
If Elena and Stefan are not heartbroken it would be completely unrealistic in my opinion. Still think Stefan will spend the next few months completely alone in his own grief. Elena will not be as outwardly grieving but not because she's not upset, she's probably in shock (she discovers the love of her life is dead the same week she realizes how great he is?)...she'll do what Elena does, be there for ric and Jeremy, maybe travel a little, make sure Stefan is safe. How do you think they'll react? I think the idea is to jump past all the grieving and go straight to the coping solutions both have come up with.....much like they jumped past the love summer. I'm not saying there won't be moments of sadness for both....Stefan will still be investigating possibilities, but moving on with his life at the same time.(no ripper ... no guilt) I think they will write Elena as arriving at acceptance and won't be in a constant state of depression. If she really couldn't live without Damon, she would have ended her life....right? Of course I'm just guessing, but JP keeps saying we will be surprised at their state of mind when TVD returns....the time jump could be 6mos to a year...not going to be a 3 mo summer. You'd be shocked but I actually agree! I think what I said about stefan and Elena will be before they return in s6 between the 2 seasons. Stefan and Elena wont have time to grieve, because they'll be a whole new crisis to deal with...
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Post by debbie on May 21, 2014 18:05:22 GMT -5
There is not a lot of mention of Damon's death, the most shocking part of the episode? Have fans really lost that much interest in Damon? Obviously his fans are upset about it, but the reason it's not as big of a deal as it should be is because most of them know at some point he'll be back. They know he's not permanently dead, so the uproar isn't as loud as it should be. True, but just because it's not a perm death doesn't mean it's not huge. Writers will make sure it's going to be a huge storyline of s6, maybe the biggest. Either the big storyline will be how to get them back, or what happens to Damon on his return (maybe both). Unfortunately, I don't see a positive return for Bonnie.
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Post by Andrew55 on May 21, 2014 18:20:08 GMT -5
Obviously his fans are upset about it, but the reason it's not as big of a deal as it should be is because most of them know at some point he'll be back. They know he's not permanently dead, so the uproar isn't as loud as it should be. True, but just because it's not a perm death doesn't mean it's not huge. Writers will make sure it's going to be a huge storyline of s6, maybe the biggest. Either the big storyline will be how to get them back, or what happens to Damon on his return (maybe both). Unfortunately, I don't see a positive return for Bonnie. I don't think you should take the lack of shock and discussion about Damon's death to mean that fans don't think it's huge. Every fan knows it's a huge moment in TVD. However, like dman said...people aren't as prone to obsess over it because we all know he is coming back. Also, fans had been predicting Damon's death for weeks leading up to the finale. So when it finally did happen, the shock value was gone.
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Post by stelena4ever on May 21, 2014 18:45:36 GMT -5
Here's the thing though....I do understand why they have explored Delena. A) They can't promote a triangle on the show and not explore all the sides. B) They wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the relationship in accordance with the Delena fan base. I don't have a problem with either one of those reasons. And as a big Stelena fan, I knew Delena was going to happen and needed to happen at some point. However, a relationship should not relegate other main characters and the main plot arc to background status. And that is essentially what happened this year. I think Caroline Dries is a wonderful woman but I just don't think she is a great show runner. This season was the worst as far as story lines go. The plot was so incoherent and had way too many actual stories they tried to tell. The mythology with the travelers was kind of lame...same with the doppelganger prophecy. It seemed like both those story lines were only there to create drama in the Delena relationship. But I am with this show until the end and I will hope for a better season six this fall. Although the past 2 seasons suck the show is still better than everything else on TV so I will watch season 6, too. As long as Paul Wesley is on this show I will watch I am with you Kiki. As long as Paul is on the show I will watch.
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Post by Kiki on May 21, 2014 23:17:52 GMT -5
I don't think you should take the lack of shock and discussion about Damon's death to mean that fans don't think it's huge. Every fan knows it's a huge moment in TVD. However, like dman said...people aren't as prone to obsess over it because we all know he is coming back. Also, fans had been predicting Damon's death for weeks leading up to the finale. So when it finally did happen, the shock value was gone. That's a really good point-but I have to wonder, did fans really know? With Bonnie, I don't think there was one fan who didn't at least suspect when we heard 3 permanent deaths. But with Damon, lots of fans speculated, but did they really think the writers would go through with it? When i was watching the episode, and the scene came on where Damon was touching Bonnie but not getting through, even then I wondered if the episode would turn around, let Damon through after all and then have a different major disaster. Cause to be honest, it was one of, if not the, biggest thing tvd ever did and it could either really good-or really bad. It's a show that relies on 3 main characters and their interaction with eachother and their gang..without that, even for a few episodes, who knows what will happen. Stefan was in that safe and died over and over at the beginning. And he wasn't with the gang for some episodes. So why not go without damon for some time?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 9:16:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 13:22:01 GMT -5
I cried and cried when they had their last conversation over mobile! and she said she loves him etc. With Jeremy it is strange ...you know like he's my TVD son, on VDN I once wrote i just want to cook him a chicken soup and a hot cocoa and send him to bed. And tell him this is all just a nightmare. In addition he does remind me of my nephew. HE HAS LOST EVERYONE except that idiot sister aka cousin of his. And she's not a big help either right now is she? Hey, he did lose his sister this season.....She had no idea what was going on in his life or at school. She still doesn't know Damon and Enzo kidnapped, tortured, and killed him. That's pretty much a total breakdown in communication.....Enough to make Jeremy move out. It's cool you identify with him on the show. Steven must feel a lot of pressure trying to follow in his dad's shoes. =) Yes they have grown apart havn't they? If you mean lose in that way...yes he lost her. I was referring more to loss by death. And Jer is exactly the reason why though I write positive things about Damon at times, he does not belong to my favs on the show. Nobody messes with my boy Jeremy lol!!! I started my yearly rerun of TVD due to my laptops death 2 weeks ago and am soon starting with season 3. What I want to say with the rerun is that I just saw Beremy beginning in the episode Masquerade and all the mess with the Martin wizards/warlocks, how Bon died at the decade dance and they hid together in the old house with the witch hotspot. And now this end...well maybe, just maybe she will come back a witch or a human again. Yes but I think he has alot of potential, I mean his acting is good and I feel he could do even better if he had a chance. He delivers in every scene imo.
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Post by shoe20 on May 22, 2014 13:50:05 GMT -5
Hey, he did lose his sister this season.....She had no idea what was going on in his life or at school. She still doesn't know Damon and Enzo kidnapped, tortured, and killed him. That's pretty much a total breakdown in communication.....Enough to make Jeremy move out. It's cool you identify with him on the show. Steven must feel a lot of pressure trying to follow in his dad's shoes. =) Yes they have grown apart havn't they? If you mean lose in that way...yes he lost her. I was referring more to loss by death. And Jer is exactly the reason why though I write positive things about Damon at times, he does not belong to my favs on the show. Nobody messes with my boy Jeremy lol!!! I started my yearly rerun of TVD due to my laptops death 2 weeks ago and am soon starting with season 3. Yes but I think he has alot of potential, I mean his acting is good and I feel he could do even better if he had a chance. He delivers in every scene imo. I agree, he does great with the lines he's given....he's one of the greatly underused characters, like Bonnie.....By the way Elena did die in the finale..blew herself up....but I know where you were going. That's another thing Elena didn't say anything to Jer in case "Kaboom" went bad. Who say's Elena hasn't changed? Good luck on your reviewing of the series....I was thinking of doing 1,2,&3 this summer too. Not sure about 4&5 lol
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 14:04:10 GMT -5
Yes they have grown apart havn't they? If you mean lose in that way...yes he lost her. I was referring more to loss by death. And Jer is exactly the reason why though I write positive things about Damon at times, he does not belong to my favs on the show. Nobody messes with my boy Jeremy lol!!! I started my yearly rerun of TVD due to my laptops death 2 weeks ago and am soon starting with season 3. Yes but I think he has alot of potential, I mean his acting is good and I feel he could do even better if he had a chance. He delivers in every scene imo. I agree, he does great with the lines he's given....he's one of the greatly underused characters, like Bonnie.....By the way Elena did die in the finale..blew herself up....but I know where you were going. That's another thing Elena didn't say anything to Jer in case "Kaboom" went bad. Who say's Elena hasn't changed? Good luck on your reviewing of the series....I was thinking of doing 1,2,&3 this summer too. Not sure about 4&5 lol Yeah, but she came right back, sigh I don't like her, in fact can't stand her. I will rewatch all 5 seasons and TO as well. Have to watch PLL season 4 too and catch up on Hart of Dixie, completely forgot the series. Not to mention all the classics I love (movies), some in black/white. Now I will rewatch TO ep 22 and 23. Talk soon.
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Post by Kiki on May 24, 2014 7:30:35 GMT -5
Charles just confirmed at a convention in Paris that The Originals filmed the first 3 episodes of season 2 already because there are some TVD characters in them!!!
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Post by Ruby on May 24, 2014 11:23:48 GMT -5
Charles just confirmed at a convention in Paris that The Originals filmed the first 3 episodes of season 2 already because there are some TVD characters in them!!! Ohhhh that makes me excited!!!!! I can't wait to see who
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 13:11:07 GMT -5
With Damon gone I think Elena will finally become the heroine we fell in love with in S1. Being with Damon changed Elena and not for the good. IMHO the way Elena was acting sometimes was just like Katherine.
When Elena lost Jeremy in S4 we all saw how she reacted and now we are made to believe Elena would just get into a car not knowing if she would make it or not. Elena never once thought of Jeremy. The writers need to give us our heroine back. yes there were so many things that were so obvious and this has to be what the writers are going to show. First Elena didn't want to become a vampire and she didn't want to become this other person. She broke apart when Jeremy died. Now she thinks being a vampire is the most awesome thing and she had no reaction to the fact that Damon tried to kill Jeremy and killed Aaron. And to top it all she didn't even think about Jeremy when she killed herself only to die with Damon. Not even talking about how she treated stefan and her friends. It's about time they end this chapter and bring the heroine back I am tired of Elena ... if she doesn't change, by all means please kill her off writers (wishful thinking). I wish she had straight hair again. These curls are irritating me and I liked Elena better with straight hair. She is so not cool, when she is trying to be cool. Not funny, when she is trying to be funny, she is winy. And that annoys me to a maximum.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 1:02:53 GMT -5
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