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Post by deb on Nov 17, 2015 6:08:11 GMT -5
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Post by Ruby on Nov 17, 2015 6:20:21 GMT -5
I'm following what you are saying. I think what concerns me is that it may mean (in terms of the fast forward) we are moving towards what could be the end of Stefan. SOB. The X mark on future Stefan may be that that hunter chasing him has marked him to harvest his soul, maybe that's how the souls get imprisoned in the Pheonix Stone? Or maybe he's made some sort of bargain to exchange his soul to save someone else. The other thing I'm wondering is that we have seen Valerie's story from Valerie's point of view -- maybe things didn't really transpire that way? She was human at the time -- maybe that story is something she was compelled to remember. Holy poo demetra! I hadn't thought about the Stefan side of things that way! Noooooo!!!! What youre saying could quite realistically be possible for our beloved Stefan that's for sure. The future glimpses all seem to focus on Stefan mainly, well it seems like the hunter is mostly focusing on him. Yep and it's very true about Valerie's story too. I wondered awhile back could the child still be alive (and now with the realisation of Jo's babies being alive, why couldn't Valerie's child have been transplanted into another person - she's gemini too isn't she? And definitely compulsion could be involved) could a big twist be instore for us regarding the Stefan and a child storyline? as I feel it will be bigger than just something that might cause ripples in the Steroline pond. I actually don't mind the Alaric/ Caroline pairing, with her carrying his children it's completely believable a bond would form over time - so if that is what is happening, and I know it might not be - well I'm ok with that. Your points on the Phoenix stone and the x mark and the hunter definitely make sense... X marks the spot or the soul rather. Will be interesting to see how this Phoenix stone story plays out.But all compulsions break once u become a vampire...not unless an original compelled her and what if this new hunter is their daughter...if the case is she/he is actually alive. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards
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Post by Evers17 on Nov 17, 2015 8:48:57 GMT -5
Holy poo demetra! I hadn't thought about the Stefan side of things that way! Noooooo!!!! What youre saying could quite realistically be possible for our beloved Stefan that's for sure. The future glimpses all seem to focus on Stefan mainly, well it seems like the hunter is mostly focusing on him. Yep and it's very true about Valerie's story too. I wondered awhile back could the child still be alive (and now with the realisation of Jo's babies being alive, why couldn't Valerie's child have been transplanted into another person - she's gemini too isn't she? And definitely compulsion could be involved) could a big twist be instore for us regarding the Stefan and a child storyline? as I feel it will be bigger than just something that might cause ripples in the Steroline pond. I actually don't mind the Alaric/ Caroline pairing, with her carrying his children it's completely believable a bond would form over time - so if that is what is happening, and I know it might not be - well I'm ok with that. Your points on the Phoenix stone and the x mark and the hunter definitely make sense... X marks the spot or the soul rather. Will be interesting to see how this Phoenix stone story plays out.But all compulsions break once u become a vampire...not unless an original compelled her and what if this new hunter is their daughter...if the case is she/he is actually alive. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards That's true @ruby regarding compulsion. I was thinking the hunter could be val/stefans offspring but also going from the info that the hunter is called Rayna which is used in Bulgaria and the fact Rayna looks like she could be a petrova I'm not so sure now about one of the theory's of said hunter being stefans child... Also they do say elsewhere that Rayna returns to the world of the living... Which leaves things a bit open to interpretation... its definitely got me guessing. Could stefans child still be alive? Could the child be Rayna? Is Rayna a petrova? Is? Is? Is?
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Post by Kiki on Nov 17, 2015 10:48:44 GMT -5
Valerie was seriously injured and Lily gave her blood to heal her. Thats why she became a vampire when she tried to kill herself. So how far does vampireblood heal? Only Valerie's body and not the baby that was still a part of her body? But then again she doesn't grow old anymore so the baby might stay just an unborn Baby inside her?
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Post by jennifer on Nov 17, 2015 10:49:51 GMT -5
Well Alaric did say his fiancé doesn't answer the phone or check her phone before going on air (something along those lines) and Damon replied with something like it doesn't look like said fiancé will be making it home on time (after seeing Caroline's message to Stefan on air). So looks like they are making it seem that way. Which with Caroline now carrying his children it's totally a possible match up, and as I said regarding Stefan - it's going to be hard on him, his best friend/ current girlfriend carrying someone else's babies..... Talk about a relationship that seems a bit doomed from the beginning. I'm following what you are saying. I think what concerns me is that it may mean (in terms of the fast forward) we are moving towards what could be the end of Stefan. SOB. The X mark on future Stefan may be that that hunter chasing him has marked him to harvest his soul, maybe that's how the souls get imprisoned in the Pheonix Stone? Or maybe he's made some sort of bargain to exchange his soul to save someone else. The other thing I'm wondering is that we have seen Valerie's story from Valerie's point of view -- maybe things didn't really transpire that way? She was human at the time -- maybe that story is something she was compelled to remember. Very interesting thought that Valerie may have been compelled. I don't want to think about the end of Stefan. You make a compelling case for what could be happening to him in the flash forwards. Of course he would sacrifice himself to save those he loves. Maybe it would be a fitting ending for Stefan, who didn't want to be a vampire. Too hard to think about though....
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Post by Kiki on Nov 17, 2015 11:09:07 GMT -5
What makes me wonder is why is Damon sleeping in a coffin and doesn't want to be woken up until Elena is back? Ok I get it she is his one big love bla bla bla... but he loves Stefan, too. Why would he decide to sleep in a coffin when Stefan is still around? Maybe something happened to Stefan and Damon thought he is gone?
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Post by jennifer on Nov 17, 2015 11:36:55 GMT -5
What makes me wonder is why is Damon sleeping in a coffin and doesn't want to be woken up until Elena is back? Ok I get it she is his one big love bla bla bla... but he loves Stefan, too. Why would he decide to sleep in a coffin when Stefan is still around? Maybe something happened to Stefan and Damon thought he is gone? I don't get that either. I re-watched the scenes and there's not much to go one. Stefan is urgently trying to wake Damon up with blood, saying he needs him. Then when they flash forward again, Damon is mad Stefan woke him up since Elena's not awake, until the arrows start flying. Damon says: "It looks like she's upped her game." Stefan follows with: "This scar...opened up this morning. I figured she was back but I didn't realize she was this close." Damon says: "You'd better get used to it, brother; she's not going to stop until you're dead." It's not Damon's style to leave Stefan in trouble. He didn't act particularly surprised to see Stefan, only mad. All I can theorize is they both thought the hunter was gone for a long period of time, long enough for Damon to have a spell put on him and stay in the coffin.
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Post by bonbon on Nov 17, 2015 11:59:02 GMT -5
Valerie was seriously injured and Lily gave her blood to heal her. Thats why she became a vampire when she tried to kill herself. So how far does vampireblood heal? Only Valerie's body and not the baby that was still a part of her body? But then again she doesn't grow old anymore so the baby might stay just an unborn Baby inside her? I assumed she miscarried. He kicked her so hard until she wasn't pregnant anymore so I'm assuming she bled out before Lily could get some blood in her.
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Post by bonbon on Nov 17, 2015 11:59:30 GMT -5
Literally laughed out loud on that second pic! Good stuff right there
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Post by Kiki on Nov 17, 2015 12:26:56 GMT -5
What makes me wonder is why is Damon sleeping in a coffin and doesn't want to be woken up until Elena is back? Ok I get it she is his one big love bla bla bla... but he loves Stefan, too. Why would he decide to sleep in a coffin when Stefan is still around? Maybe something happened to Stefan and Damon thought he is gone? I don't get that either. I re-watched the scenes and there's not much to go one. Stefan is urgently trying to wake Damon up with blood, saying he needs him. Then when they flash forward again, Damon is mad Stefan woke him up since Elena's not awake, until the arrows start flying. Damon says: "It looks like she's upped her game." Stefan follows with: "This scar...opened up this morning. I figured she was back but I didn't realize she was this close." Damon says: "You'd better get used to it, brother; she's not going to stop until you're dead." It's not Damon's style to leave Stefan in trouble. He didn't act particularly surprised to see Stefan, only mad. All I can theorize is they both thought the hunter was gone for a long period of time, long enough for Damon to have a spell put on him and stay in the coffin. so Damon knew someone was after Stefan. He knew about the scar and that it would open if the hunter is close. So he went to sleep and left Stefan alone knowing he wasn't 100% safe? No matter how much I dislike Damon I cannot believe that he would leave Stefan alone knowing how much he suffered last time Damon was dead/in prison world. And I cannot believe that he would just sleep until Elena is back and not caring about her friend's safety to please her. PLUS I still don't believe that this flashforwards are a fix future. I think someone will have this flash forwards as a vision and once they know about them they will try to change the future. Or maybe it's another prison world thing??
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Post by demetra on Nov 17, 2015 17:57:57 GMT -5
I don't get that either. I re-watched the scenes and there's not much to go one. Stefan is urgently trying to wake Damon up with blood, saying he needs him. Then when they flash forward again, Damon is mad Stefan woke him up since Elena's not awake, until the arrows start flying. Damon says: "It looks like she's upped her game." Stefan follows with: "This scar...opened up this morning. I figured she was back but I didn't realize she was this close." Damon says: "You'd better get used to it, brother; she's not going to stop until you're dead." It's not Damon's style to leave Stefan in trouble. He didn't act particularly surprised to see Stefan, only mad. All I can theorize is they both thought the hunter was gone for a long period of time, long enough for Damon to have a spell put on him and stay in the coffin. so Damon knew someone was after Stefan. He knew about the scar and that it would open if the hunter is close. So he went to sleep and left Stefan alone knowing he wasn't 100% safe? No matter how much I dislike Damon I cannot believe that he would leave Stefan alone knowing how much he suffered last time Damon was dead/in prison world. And I cannot believe that he would just sleep until Elena is back and not caring about her friend's safety to please her. PLUS I still don't believe that this flashforwards are a fix future. I think someone will have this flash forwards as a vision and once they know about them they will try to change the future. Or maybe it's another prison world thing?? Could be that Damon had been counselling Stefan to end the hunter and Stefan chose another way? Or perhaps it was Stefan who put Damon in the coffin to keep him safe? We saw the scar vanish when Julian was reunited with his spirit. Maybe the person who next kills Julian is then marked by the same curse. Who had the great idea that the hunter may be a Petrova? Maybe it's Nina Dobrev who is hunting Stefan LOL. Looking at our rankings above, 6 of 8 are three or higher. We may disagree on the content, but it seems like it was an entertaining episode!
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Post by Danomyte on Nov 18, 2015 0:28:29 GMT -5
My theory is they give Carolyn the cure so she ca grow these babies inside her and she won't be a perpetual 17 year old anymore and in three years she will be a 25 year old woman like Bonnie
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Post by Evers17 on Nov 18, 2015 4:42:09 GMT -5
so Damon knew someone was after Stefan. He knew about the scar and that it would open if the hunter is close. So he went to sleep and left Stefan alone knowing he wasn't 100% safe? No matter how much I dislike Damon I cannot believe that he would leave Stefan alone knowing how much he suffered last time Damon was dead/in prison world. And I cannot believe that he would just sleep until Elena is back and not caring about her friend's safety to please her. PLUS I still don't believe that this flashforwards are a fix future. I think someone will have this flash forwards as a vision and once they know about them they will try to change the future. Or maybe it's another prison world thing?? Could be that Damon had been counselling Stefan to end the hunter and Stefan chose another way? Or perhaps it was Stefan who put Damon in the coffin to keep him safe? We saw the scar vanish when Julian was reunited with his spirit. Maybe the person who next kills Julian is then marked by the same curse. Who had the great idea that the hunter may be a Petrova? Maybe it's Nina Dobrev who is hunting Stefan LOL. Looking at our rankings above, 6 of 8 are three or higher. We may disagree on the content, but it seems like it was an entertaining episode! Hey demetra one (and not the only) of my theories was that Rayna could be a Petrova, just going on her name and looks. And the fact Stefan did kill Katherine.... The whole doppelgänger/ Katherine/ petrova storylines were a big part of tvd and since they wanted to apparently get back to grass roots this season and tell great stories like they did in season 1 I thought it's a slight possibility the hunter could be Rayna Petrova.... My first theory like a lot of other people was that the hunter would end up being Stefan and Valerie's love child but I'm not sold on that much.
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Post by demetra on Nov 18, 2015 21:31:40 GMT -5
Holy poo demetra! I hadn't thought about the Stefan side of things that way! Noooooo!!!! What youre saying could quite realistically be possible for our beloved Stefan that's for sure. The future glimpses all seem to focus on Stefan mainly, well it seems like the hunter is mostly focusing on him. Yep and it's very true about Valerie's story too. I wondered awhile back could the child still be alive (and now with the realisation of Jo's babies being alive, why couldn't Valerie's child have been transplanted into another person - she's gemini too isn't she? And definitely compulsion could be involved) could a big twist be instore for us regarding the Stefan and a child storyline? as I feel it will be bigger than just something that might cause ripples in the Steroline pond. I actually don't mind the Alaric/ Caroline pairing, with her carrying his children it's completely believable a bond would form over time - so if that is what is happening, and I know it might not be - well I'm ok with that. Your points on the Phoenix stone and the x mark and the hunter definitely make sense... X marks the spot or the soul rather. Will be interesting to see how this Phoenix stone story plays out.But all compulsions break once u become a vampire...not unless an original compelled her and what if this new hunter is their daughter...if the case is she/he is actually alive. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards I don't remember reading this detail! I think we both arrived at the same theory through different brain waves!!
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Post by Ruby on Nov 19, 2015 6:27:58 GMT -5
But all compulsions break once u become a vampire...not unless an original compelled her and what if this new hunter is their daughter...if the case is she/he is actually alive. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards I don't remember reading this detail! I think we both arrived at the same theory through different brain waves!! Yea that was established in like the 2nd season when Caroline turned and she told Damon..i remember you feeding on me, manipulating me etc n hes like thats impossible not unless you.... n he realized she had turned. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards
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