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Post by Ruby on Nov 13, 2014 19:58:51 GMT -5
THIS IS A DEBATES AREA THREAD PLEASE READ BELOWlets come together to share our thoughts about tonight's episode! =) All TVD Fans Welcomed including Exclusive Ship fans lol Lets discuss: What did you Like? What you did not like? What was your favorite scene/quote? What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard? ONLY RULES* When replying to someone's response please BE POLITE AND AVOID BEING RUDE TO SOMEONE'S OPINION. =) You can nicely state why you might disagree without saying "well you're wrong" or "I dont like your opinion" Lets stick to the episode topic xoxo
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 13, 2014 23:10:03 GMT -5
What I liked was that even though de was there the rest of the episode was interesting they found a balance. I liked that again they showed the ships that are not working in my opinion but I think they are doing it on purpose. I liked that liz did not die and that bonnie was super bad ass again. I liked how elena was shocked about killing herself with damon. I will give damon credit for saying he will let her go. I liked that bamon seemed to be what the writers are going with. I liked even though the uggh rain kiss was hard to stomach it was not what everyone was prepping it to be all epic and stuff. It was a flashback and although de does seem to be pleased on tumbler it still feels like they are moving away from de. I just wish they would hurry up.
What I did not like was the de and steroline scenes. I wish paul had a better storyline than caroline whining all the time and stefen does not know how to handle it so he says dumb stuff. What I dont like is this just gives stefen haters an excuse to say he is an ass when he is not. De it goes without saying if I talk about I will puke.
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 14, 2014 0:09:22 GMT -5
I like that Liam is not an idiot.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 14, 2014 0:47:24 GMT -5
My initial reaction to the episode: Underwhelming.
I'll elaborate later. But I much preferred 6x06. My favorite part has to be the brief moment at the end with the teddy bear and the way Damon instantly grabbed it and held it to him.
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Post by Kiki on Nov 14, 2014 7:07:03 GMT -5
What I liked was that Elena is FINALLY realizing that she wasn't herself when she was with Damon. She was shocked that she killed herself just to be with him and she is shocked that she loved someone who killed her brother... And Damon realized that she didn't want to be the person she was with him and now she is living the life she always wanted to live and is happy.I like that direction. I also like Bamon from Damon's point of view. He seems to have feelings for her. The way he hugged that teddybear was nice. But from Bonnie's point of view? How low can Bonnie's moral compass sink to fall in love with Damon? Ok, Elena's vaporised, too but destroying another heroic character and put her into Damon's bed... I'm not sure I want to see that. I hated the rainkiss. Not only because it was far too cheesy even for my taste but because it showed that the writers want to please some silly screaming kids rather than write a good story. And what I especially hated in this episode is that ever since Damon came back the whole storyline was put on hold. We didn't get any more information about Jo, about Trip about Liv &Luke's coven, about the 1994 story...nothing. so can we please put the Delena drama on hold again and move on with the storyline? About Steroline... well I'm not sure what to think about it. The Elena Stefan loved died and he is mourning her for 2 seasons now. They should either bring her back and make Stelena fall in love again or give Stefan a chance to move on. And if he really falls in love again why not Caroline? She had a thing for him in season 1 already.She had other boyfriends and knows what she wants. Still I would love to have this nonromantic friendship go on because such things are rare on TVD and with Stefan and caroline it's working. But now that she told him she has "a thing" for him can they ever go back to just being friends? It doesn't work for Stelena and it will not work for Steroline either. If one is in love and the other is not it's just not a relaxed friendship And what I also don't like is how the sypnosis/spoilers turns out lately. We had "Jeremy is lashing out in a destructive way" and all we got is him crashing a pooltable. Now we had something like "Elena risks everything to get her momories back" and what did she do? hop over the border for a short second. That's all?? Well.....
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Post by demetra on Nov 14, 2014 11:50:18 GMT -5
Eh. I liked that they didn't kill Sheriff Forbes. I liked how Bonnie sent her magic back with the bear -- both courageous and clever!
Goodbye, Tripp, you were a pain in the arse. Although the actor was good, and if he'd had a more complicated and interesting view of the vampire world, I would have liked to have seen him stick around.
I liked that Stefan actually verbalized a real apology to Caroline. Good for her for saying it was not enough.
Damon was both humourous and gallant. I liked that the rain kiss already happened in the past. Could have been worse.
I still don't like the way they are shooting Stefan. His head is so much smaller than it used to be. Whaddup? I'm not getting the frisson between him and Caroline at all. They used to frame him from above with his head tucked down or something. I wish they would just go back to Season One and do what they did then.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 14, 2014 11:53:25 GMT -5
I still don't like the way they are shooting Stefan. His head is so smaller than it used to be. Whaddup? I'm not getting the frisson between him and Caroline at all. They used to frame him from above with his head tucked down or something. I wish they would just go back to Season One and do what they did then. Lmao. What an observation. This cracked me up - Stefan's head.
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Post by jennifer on Nov 14, 2014 12:22:49 GMT -5
Not much to say this episode. I'm glade Sheriff Forbes is alive. Liam just got more interesting. Matt gave a good performance as a conflicted human when Tripp died (Enzo turned someone else? Yawn). Bonnie outsmarted Kai again, and he was a creepy good villain again. Alaric & Jo are promising; Alaric had some cute/goofy expressions for her.
It was funny that Damon had more emotion finding the bear than he did letting go of Elena or remembering the rain kiss. Stefan and Caroline...their talk was a swing and a miss. Stefan was pretty detached this episode, except when he asked if Sheriff Forbes could help him with Caroline, lol. And Caroline...she's stuck in anger mode and can't seem to find a way out. I miss their chemistry as friends.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 14, 2014 12:36:00 GMT -5
So Bonnie and Kia carried the episode for me, I really like their interactions...sparks galore......Bonnie and her Bear spell turned into a "Bear-O-Gram" for Damon....funny Damon and Alaric in the hospital was and interesting scene....Alaric lists a bunch of Damon's more memorable F-ups.... then Damon says "but what about all the heroic things I've done......silence ....Did I miss something? I didn't hear one. lololol Alaric is sure a fast healer or Jo is a great doctor..... Dead....12hr later off to the Party... Stefan and Caro went just how I thought it would....Paul did a great apology soliloquie, you could really feel his regret. Too bad Pauls been relegated to an extra/bit player. Please tell me this is the last "stalker" Damon episode... lol So much was not a revelation....Jo being Kia's sister....Tripp-stumble-Fell dead.... I have to admit as much as I don't care for Enz-hole, he's the only one acting like a Vamp.....other than that it's a "teen soap" He had the best line of the nite too........ "right my fingers were covered in blood and the touch screen wouldn't work!". Lynne and I think Enzo killing Tripp will push Matt to take his job and hunt Enzo... Not the best episode of the series. )
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Post by nobody on Nov 14, 2014 12:58:15 GMT -5
Quote - Enzo to Caroline - "right my fingers were covered in blood and the touch screen wouldn't work!" That line was simply.............PRICELESS! I like the scenes between Caroline and Enzo. He calls her gorgeous or beautiful (I honestly can't remember him ever calling Caroline by her name) and she just gives him the classic "Caro Eye - Roll w/Sigh"! - Nobody
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Post by demetra on Nov 14, 2014 14:15:29 GMT -5
Also, Caroline's baby yellow dress this week. Didn't she have something very close to it in Season One?
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Post by amimi on Nov 14, 2014 14:58:42 GMT -5
I liked Damon this episode (!). He was thoughtful and selfless. Too bad it seemed so OOC. I like--no, love, Jo--she is awesome. And I too like that Liam is not dumb, crimmyj. Too bad he will still probably die. I like--no, love, Kai--his deranged charm and personality is carrying this season. I didn't mind the #rainkiss... I'm glad it was a flashback but it was sweet and romantic and holy hell does Ian ever have an incredible smile--it's practically blinding. Too bad we almost never get to see it! (Same goes for Paul's smiles...they are few and far between.) I didn't like how Elena just left Liam at the party...WTF was that? I guess Elena's confusion about her memories was well-written, but I didn't like Elena or Caroline very much this episode--why can't they just be better? Why can't they be romantic leads and interesting at the same time? I didn't like how Enzo revealed that Caroline has "a thing" for Stefan. It seemed like an easy way out for the writers--there should have been a confrontation where she reveals it or he just figures it out. The SE in me wonders that if he hadn't noticed it before, he truly does not see her romantically, and possibly won't ever, but I know that's wishful thinking. He'll probably just fall in love with her because that's what he's supposed to do. Like I've said before, I just want to believe it--I want to see him chase her and want her and be excited about his life again. That's been missing for so long. I'm so unbelievably discouraged at what's happened to Stefan's character, and I'm not sure if it can be saved at this point. Paul keeps mentioning Stefan's "arc" and that he will come around, but to what end? So he can settle for a life that he isn't particularly enthused about? Like shoe20 said, he's not much more than a bit player at this point. This makes me so sad. And I can't tell if the character's disillusionment is part of the portrayal or Paul's state of mind. I hope it isn't the latter. I want him back!!
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 14, 2014 15:50:31 GMT -5
Eh. I liked that they didn't kill Sheriff Forbes. I liked how Bonnie sent her magic back with the bear -- both courageous and clever! Goodbye, Tripp, you were a pain in the arse. Although the actor was good, and if he'd had a more complicated and interesting view of the vampire world, I would have liked to have seen him stick around. I liked that Stefan actually verbalized a real apology to Caroline. Good for her for saying it was not enough. Damon was both humourous and gallant. I liked that the rain kiss already happened in the past. Could have been worse. I still don't like the way they are shooting Stefan. His head is so much smaller than it used to be. Whaddup? I'm not getting the frisson between him and Caroline at all. They used to frame him from above with his head tucked down or something. I wish they would just go back to Season One and do what they did then. Your critique of how they are shooting Stefan's head has me rolling, demetra. Not only do the writers not have their proverbial sh*t together but even the cinematographers are now failing! too funny. Caroline is actually getting on my nerves. So Stefan apologizes and now that is not enough? What kind of hoops is he supposed to jump? Plus the fact all the jerky things he was doing were a part of his dealing with something (albeit not healthy) but where was that concern. It reminds me of Elena's indifference to Stefan's ptsd in season 5. 'oh you are back, YAY FOR ME, now you can listen to me, fix my problems, and yada yada ...so please be happy because I don't want to deal with your problems' Same with Caroline...plus the fact she is mainly upset that her feelings aren't reciprocated. And how the hell are the writers going to get these characters to a place where they can have a romantic relationship? How many strong relationships start off with unrequited love? With one being like, yeah totally didn't see our friendship that way...but now that I know your feelings I am going to be awkward for awhile until I realize oh, maybe we should bang? yeah....nope. Like Ivy, Tripp seems like a total waste of a character. I don't even care about his vamp killing operation, seriously could that storyline be more boring? Matt is going to become the new Tripp?
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Post by demetra on Nov 14, 2014 17:06:36 GMT -5
Eh. I liked that they didn't kill Sheriff Forbes. I liked how Bonnie sent her magic back with the bear -- both courageous and clever! Goodbye, Tripp, you were a pain in the arse. Although the actor was good, and if he'd had a more complicated and interesting view of the vampire world, I would have liked to have seen him stick around. I liked that Stefan actually verbalized a real apology to Caroline. Good for her for saying it was not enough. Damon was both humourous and gallant. I liked that the rain kiss already happened in the past. Could have been worse. I still don't like the way they are shooting Stefan. His head is so much smaller than it used to be. Whaddup? I'm not getting the frisson between him and Caroline at all. They used to frame him from above with his head tucked down or something. I wish they would just go back to Season One and do what they did then. Your critique of how they are shooting Stefan's head has me rolling, demetra. Not only do the writers not have their proverbial sh*t together but even the cinematographers are now failing! too funny. Caroline is actually getting on my nerves. So Stefan apologizes and now that is not enough? What kind of hoops is he supposed to jump? Plus the fact all the jerky things he was doing were a part of his dealing with something (albeit not healthy) but where was that concern. It reminds me of Elena's indifference to Stefan's ptsd in season 5. 'oh you are back, YAY FOR ME, now you can listen to me, fix my problems, and yada yada ...so please be happy because I don't want to deal with your problems' Same with Caroline...plus the fact she is mainly upset that her feelings aren't reciprocated. And how the hell are the writers going to get these characters to a place where they can have a romantic relationship? How many strong relationships start off with unrequited love? With one being like, yeah totally didn't see our friendship that way...but now that I know your feelings I am going to be awkward for awhile until I realize oh, maybe we should bang? yeah....nope. Like Ivy, Tripp seems like a total waste of a character. I don't even care about his vamp killing operation, seriously could that storyline be more boring? Matt is going to become the new Tripp? I realize I am being demanding. But they are shooting him up the nostrils. What kind of framing is that for a hero?
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 14, 2014 19:39:21 GMT -5
Cmon demetra you know what they say about the size of a man's nostril? Well, nothing, but I was trying to find a silver lining to your Stefan nose problem. I am infinitely curious who gave this episode a 5? Seriously, I want to know why. To me a 5 means perfect episode, just killing it in every regard. Cmon lets debate this, in this debate thread.
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