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Post by deb on Apr 1, 2016 9:47:35 GMT -5
THIS IS A DEBATES AREA THREAD
Lets discuss:
What did you like? What you did not like? What was your favorite scene/quote? What scene was the most shocking or caught you off guard?
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Post by TVD4life on Apr 1, 2016 10:46:24 GMT -5
Stefan!!!!
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Post by TVD4life on Apr 1, 2016 10:48:49 GMT -5
This scene was most shocking and caught me off guard.
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Post by demetra on Apr 1, 2016 20:15:15 GMT -5
When Raign announced earlier this week she had a new song on tonight's episode, I should have known. I should have known! #NotStefanAGAIN
What did I like? Not that much this week. I thought the script was very lame. Who cares if Nora and Mary Lou bought it -- they had zero personality between them. Both Valerie and Rayna promoting the whole premise of Stefan somehow being happy while on the run? They actually sounded insane. The art direction was very sterile. Nora supposedly having been held in captivity -- and starving -- for three years was laughable. I don't think Ian Somerhalder had much to work with plot-wise or action-wise with everyone just running around in cars. It was probably one of the least successful Vampire Diaries episodes ever -- and as far as you could possibly get from Season One. Then of course what happens to Stefan -- completely repetitive and lacking originality.
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Post by crimmyj on Apr 2, 2016 2:34:13 GMT -5
When Raign announced earlier this week she had a new song on tonight's episode, I should have known. I should have known! #NotStefanAGAIN What did I like? Not that much this week. I thought the script was very lame. Who cares if Nora and Mary Lou bought it -- they had zero personality between them. Both Valerie and Rayna promoting the whole premise of Stefan somehow being happy while on the run? They actually sounded insane. The art direction was very sterile. Nora supposedly having been held in captivity -- and starving -- for three years was laughable. I don't think Ian Somerhalder had much to work with plot-wise or action-wise with everyone just running around in cars. It was probably one of the least successful Vampire Diaries episodes ever -- and as far as you could possibly get from Season One. Then of course what happens to Stefan -- completely repetitive and lacking originality. Yup. And I can't tell you how sick I am of the "Elena makes me good" BS that Damon keeps spouting. Actually NO Damon... you were going to do the selfless thing, then Elena gets mentioned and you do the selfish d*ck thing. Which means no, Elena does in fact not make you good. Ever. Heretics...I have no words for how useless they were as a concept. And now the only one we have left is Valerie. uhhh, yay?
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Post by demetra on Apr 2, 2016 8:32:43 GMT -5
crimmyj : "Actually NO Damon... you were going to do the selfless thing, then Elena gets mentioned and you do the selfish d*ck thing. Which means no, Elena does in fact not make you good. Ever." EXCELLENT POINT!!! Also this morning I woke up with some amendments and some furtherances to my first response last night. One: Nora and Mary Lou were the lamest, weakest excuses for lesbian characters on TV ever. The only interesting development that came out of those two cardboard poster girls was Bonnie. They were also possibly the lamest super villains in the history of television. What could have been interesting is a development between Bonnie and Rayna. Second: TVD without Elena, Bonnie or Caroline has no purpose. I spent the whole episode last night PRAYING that Valerie would get staked. Stefan and Valerie, it turns out, have ZERO chemistry. If Stefan and Caroline had been jaunting around the world for three years with no Damon -- considering all the ground that had been laid for Steroline -- I might have bought the happiness argument. But no. How STUPID do people think Stefan is? Three: The going backwards thing was dumbass. "Two years ago in the Philippines." I almost stuck a fork in my forehead. Four: Matt has unfortunately been stuck with the worst hairdo since Enzo. Five: Speaking of Enzo -- who the f___ cares?! What would have been really useful is if the woman St. Whatever and Enzo St. Whatever were travelling in a car at high speed and collided head on with Nora and Mary Lou in a fiery blaze. Then all four of those lame asses could have been written out at the same time. Six: There was no sense of place in the entire episode. I didn't even know where Stefan and Valerie were in the flashback to the den with the fireplace. Is that the Lockwood Mansion? Was it the Salvatore Boarding House? Is it a B&B? Seven: I forgot to mention that Stefan did look very nice out in the daylight on the airport strip from about 8:37 pm on.
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Post by napoli on Apr 2, 2016 10:19:53 GMT -5
The story line keeps getting worse and worse with each progressive episode. Rayna has to be the worst villain to date and that says a lot given how horrible Marco and Julian were. Rayna is just casually chatting with Damon, a vampire, and has no desire to kill him unless she's marked him first? I'm glad those poor men died for nothing to imbue Rayna with several lives to hunt vampires so she can chit-chat with them and creepily watch their lives. The only good thing was having Nora and ML finally killed off. Useless story line. Useless characters. I'm still shocked at how quickly they killed of mama Salvatore - yes, I'm digressing. But then again given how horrible they've been at character development they needed her death as another cheap plot point. I'm used to the whole Elena makes me better speech. Don't we get it almost every episode? I'm not sure if the writers even know why they have it said over and over. Is it to show how Damon is delusional - after all they usually have another character - in this episode it was Valerie - remind Damon that he's not a better because of Elena and that he's not even better at all! Stefan's dead, again - oh well.
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Post by demetra on Apr 2, 2016 14:03:32 GMT -5
napoli : "I'm glad those poor men died for nothing to imbue Rayna with several lives to hunt vampires so she can chit-chat with them and creepily watch their lives." Indeed! And those supernatural characters that could have greatly populated the balance of Season 7 -- and now Season 8 -- have all been killed off: Jo, Liv, Lily, even Julian that psycho. And Oscar! Lily, Julian, Damon and Stefan -- should have been the core of the whole season. Oh well. Maybe next week will be better.
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Post by crimmyj on Apr 2, 2016 15:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by crimmyj on Apr 2, 2016 15:07:32 GMT -5
crimmyj : "Actually NO Damon... you were going to do the selfless thing, then Elena gets mentioned and you do the selfish d*ck thing. Which means no, Elena does in fact not make you good. Ever." EXCELLENT POINT!!! Also this morning I woke up with some amendments and some furtherances to my first response last night. One: Nora and Mary Lou were the lamest, weakest excuses for lesbian characters on TV ever. The only interesting development that came out of those two cardboard poster girls was Bonnie. They were also possibly the lamest super villains in the history of television. What could have been interesting is a development between Bonnie and Rayna. Second: TVD without Elena, Bonnie or Caroline has no purpose. I spent the whole episode last night PRAYING that Valerie would get staked. Stefan and Valerie, it turns out, have ZERO chemistry. If Stefan and Caroline had been jaunting around the world for three years with no Damon -- considering all the ground that had been laid for Steroline -- I might have bought the happiness argument. But no. How STUPID do people think Stefan is? Three: The going backwards thing was dumbass. "Two years ago in the Philippines." I almost stuck a fork in my forehead. Four: Matt has unfortunately been stuck with the worst hairdo since Enzo. Five: Speaking of Enzo -- who the f___ cares?! What would have been really useful is if the woman St. Whatever and Enzo St. Whatever were travelling in a car at high speed and collided head on with Nora and Mary Lou in a fiery blaze. Then all four of those lame asses could have been written out at the same time. Six: There was no sense of place in the entire episode. I didn't even know where Stefan and Valerie were in the flashback to the den with the fireplace. Is that the Lockwood Mansion? Was it the Salvatore Boarding House? Is it a B&B? Seven: I forgot to mention that Stefan did look very nice out in the daylight on the airport strip from about 8:37 pm on. Everything about the placing and timeline is so problematic for the reasons you listed. Where are they? Everything about this season seems so disjointed like that though. Like I am watching 3 different shows all rolled into one, but not in a good way because they don't feel interconnected like they should. Not only is Matt's hair taking over for Enzo's former bad hair, but Matt is turning into the Season 5 Enzo...with his ok, Stefan you totally suck theme. So anytime a male character has no real plot the story we give him is to hate Stefan. ok. Let's do that. Its Matt's turn, up next will be Alaric I am sure of it. Cmon writers...really?
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Post by demetra on Apr 2, 2016 20:44:58 GMT -5
crimmyj: "Everything about this season seems so disjointed like that though. Like I am watching 3 different shows all rolled into one, but not in a good way because they don't feel interconnected like they should." I agree. I don't think any of the producers are paying attention anymore. I really enjoy the show. But last night's episode was the first in seven years where I was thinking: WHAT am I doing? Like HELLO! Why don't the writers just go back and watch Season One? Just watch it!!It had some basis in realism. Last night's show had no grounding. NONE. I was embarrassed for Paul Wesley having to act making out with Valerie after having built that whole back up relationship with Caroline. Candice's pregnancy likely de-railed the whole season's story line. But why didn't they let Stefan's child live and have this search (with or without Valerie) be about him trying to find his son or daughter? For Damon's story line, why not build this season about Bonnie and Damon in Elena's absence? It was totally set up for that. The Lily thing should have stayed core to the season until 7x20. I just don't know. I don't know.
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Post by napoli on Apr 4, 2016 16:29:48 GMT -5
napoli : "I'm glad those poor men died for nothing to imbue Rayna with several lives to hunt vampires so she can chit-chat with them and creepily watch their lives." Indeed! And those supernatural characters that could have greatly populated the balance of Season 7 -- and now Season 8 -- have all been killed off: Jo, Liv, Lily, even Julian that psycho. And Oscar! Lily, Julian, Damon and Stefan -- should have been the core of the whole season. Oh well. Maybe next week will be better. It only goes to show how short-sighted the writers are continually being by not keeping the heretics around. But that would require building a great story line for them. I'm still shocked at how quickly they killed Lily off. Just think of all the potential she had by the mere fact she was the Salvotore mama! Instead she was axed for a moment of Damon man-pain. Yet the writers ignore Damon's character, at least in this regard they're being equal because they ignore everyone's character development, for a non-defining moment.
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Post by demetra on Apr 5, 2016 7:38:31 GMT -5
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Post by Evers17 on May 23, 2016 8:34:09 GMT -5
This episode jumped around so much. 3 years, present day, 2 years, present day, last month (OK I made that last one up) The whole Valerie/Stefan kiss didn't really move me - was rather yeah ok whatever. Actually the whole Stefan and Val relationship doesn't tend to move me. I actually don't mind Val as a character, she brings more to the show than Mary whatever and what's her face Nora but I still just can't drum up any emotion for the two of them. Oh my god! Damon's Elena speech again.... Boring. Boring and boring. I had a girl, she makes me good and when I get her back in my life I'll be there for Stefan or whatever dribble came out. Here's an idea Damon, grow up and be a man. Stop making Elena your excuse for everything. ITS SO ANNOYING!!!! Why do the writers have to keep forcing Damon to say dribble like that? But I did enjoy Val's reply when she pretty much told him - the only person you ever needed was by your side all along then she convinces him by telling him Stefan knew Damon would let him down, then Val's words make Damon not be so self involved and decides to do the exchange only to be too late. And seriously are we surprised at what Rayna said about Stefan being happy on the run without Damon - of course not, Damon's caused him nothing but pain, I think Stefan has sort of reached a point in his life where he's going to be thinking - what the hell am I doing? I give and give to my brother and he just kicks me in the gonads repeatedly, I need a break! Might as well get hunted by some creepy psychic chic for 3 years. STEFANS DEAD AGAIN! Seriously has he died the most on that show? How many times is that now? Umm yeah they've really wasted Matts character and he's become quite annoying. Their could've been some potential for old Matty boy but instead as @crimmj said, he's just become the new Stefan hater as they couldn't think of anything more original to do with him. They obviously couldn't write a better way to involve Matt this season....
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