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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 12:39:42 GMT -5
Friends, it is very interesting and I love this roundtable discussion bc again it makes us realize that every fan has another perception of the show, eg nobody liked the three episodes I liked best (Graduation, O Come All ye Faithful and The Five). I had written a page long essay why these episodes were my fav, but unfortunately my post got lost when I pressed Create thread, I was very sad last week, when that happened. What I am trying to say is everybody has a different approach to the series and wouldn't it be nice if there were no shipper wars etc. After all it is only a tv series and a hobby.
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Post by deb on Jun 2, 2013 15:35:44 GMT -5
I hope you're right Moshe. Before this crazy finale, I'd be sure you were right but now, I just don't know... If they had to give DE's something to hold on to, nothing garatees that they aren't going to just give SE's some scenes and make DE together till the end of the show I just hope that they write a creepy love story for DE, without any magic moments like Se had, and the media will just think they are boring and give up on them. That's why I won't read anymore spoilers or anything that talks about DE or the triangle, I don't want to give that sites views so that they can understand that I don't care about it. Ahahaha, funny, in the episode 22, while SE were in his room, we had this amazing song from awolnation, and it kept saying "SAIL", so maybe they are giving us hope for our ship because we know they have some twisted sense of humor!
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Post by napoli on Jun 2, 2013 15:53:28 GMT -5
What were the most shocking things for you in season 4 Honestly, probably DEx. I had hope it would never really happen. That was the worst for me. The way it happened, not even a day after SE broke up. Damon letting it happen the way it did, just ugh.
Also, Elena picking Damon. I knew it was coming, but denial gave me hope. After everything that happened and how she was treated, I just don't get it.
What made you the happiest in season 4Probably the SE rooftop scene in the first episode. That scene is whats keeping my hope alive. It was beautiful and epic. Very true to SE's relationship. You read my mind too! The only thing I would add about being shocked was the sire bond. That Damon had that sort of power and control over Elena was completely horrifying. I'm still not over it!
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Post by napoli on Jun 2, 2013 16:46:59 GMT -5
Friends, it is very interesting and I love this roundtable discussion bc again it makes us realize that every fan has another perception of the show, eg nobody liked the three episodes I liked best (Graduation, O Come All ye Faithful and The Five). I had written a page long essay why these episodes were my fav, but unfortunately my post got lost when I pressed Create thread, I was very sad last week, when that happened. What I am trying to say is everybody has a different approach to the series and wouldn't it be nice if there were no shipper wars etc. After all it is only a tv series and a hobby. This site is truly wonderful. I almost wish there was a global like because I've pretty much liked everything I've read from all posters. Even though we are in the s4 roundtable it still feels like I'm in the Stelena Bubble...so warm and cozy! I enjoyed the episodes you listed moshe especially O Come All Ye Faithful - I'm a sucker for anything Christmas but the massacre was eerily beautiful. I also enjoyed the way Caroline freaked out at Tyler when she found out about his plan to sacrifice himself to trap Klaus. I know what you mean about it only being a tv show, after all Damon and Elena aren't real people and Stefan really isn't stuck in a trunk at the bottom of a lake drowning over and over. However, it still feels like a betrayal because the writers gave so many clues with Stefan and Elena going through such similar experiences that it seemed ridiculous to me that DE would end up together. I was a big fan of Desperate Housewives and had their been such a pairing either SE or DE, I wouldn't and didn't care because there was no build up or story told to suggest one pairing truly belonged together. DH was a free for all and I went along for the ride and that was okay. But TVD wasn't a free for all. SE was built up so much over the 3 seasons and to have it demolished in s4 was like a slap in the face especially when we were all left scratching our heads because Elena's POV wasn't properly explained. The song playing during the DE 'love' confession as well as the actual dialogue both suggest that DE will not survive. The way the story has been told at this point, my preference is still SE. Although I was able to hold my own on previous sites that were heavily DE populated after awhile you just want to chit chat with others who get the show exactly as you do or at least don't openly insult you if they don't fully agree. I just can't help it - I hate Damon and I prefer SE.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 16:59:45 GMT -5
I hope you're right Moshe. Before this crazy finale, I'd be sure you were right but now, I just don't know... If they had to give DE's something to hold on to, nothing garatees that they aren't going to just give SE's some scenes and make DE together till the end of the show I just hope that they write a creepy love story for DE, without any magic moments like Se had, and the media will just think they are boring and give up on them. That's why I won't read anymore spoilers or anything that talks about DE or the triangle, I don't want to give that sites views so that they can understand that I don't care about it. Ahahaha, funny, in the episode 22, while SE were in his room, we had this amazing song from awolnation, and it kept saying "SAIL", so maybe they are giving us hope for our ship because we know they have some twisted sense of humor! Hmmm Deb, I only said it would be nice if....sadly I don't think that there will ever be peace...most of the fans are not very mature, it has nothing to do with age bc the most silly fans I have met on VDN were women between 30-60 and their silly fantasies about DAmon when in real they were just having these fantasies about Smolderholder. If SH were playing Stef, they would all ship SE, you know what I mean I never understood all this bc I am not a very extreme person, my motto is and has always been "TO LIVE AND LET LIVE". I don't really get all the Stefan bashing and I am not really into Damon bashing either, fact is though that I like Stefan very much more than I like Damon, bc I tolerate him even in his darkest places, that will say Ripppppaaahhhhhhh; Damon goes on my nerves 50% of the time, but there are 50% of scene time when I actually like him...Stefan scares me a lot more than DAmon does, he is much more cold blooded and stings deadly like a scorpio without warning. I am watching season 1 at the moment and there are a lot of scenes when Stef scares me to death with his dark, sinister stare. Wow. The end is already decided, that will say the endgame (probably finale of season xyz), JP and KW already said that a long time ago, and I am never tired of saying, that they do follow the books in a very subtle way, that is why I am 100% convinced that SE is endgame. I also think that Damon will die in the season finale of se xyz. Of course there is always a chance that they will even change their decisionhalfway through even on this topic LOL!!! YOu never know with TVD
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Post by napoli on Jun 2, 2013 17:17:11 GMT -5
Who in your opinion got the most character growth?
Definitely Tyler, he was grown up all of a sudden between season 2 and 3, took a point, stood for his ideals, he is a good boyfriend (I love Forwood). Tyler Lockwood is awesome, a good son, a good boyfriend, a good packleader and a good friend to have. One you can rely on. And I am glad he is coming back to Mystic Falls again next fall Your analysis of Tyler is bang on! I wasn't a big fan of the werewolves and the hybrid story line was interesting but still not overly exciting. But I did like how Tyler stood up for his friends and wanted to take Klaus out because of the sire bond. Tyler really did become strong character-wise and honorable. Tyler understood how being under Klaus' control was disgusting. I think it took a lot of courage for Tyler to want to sacrifice himself to trap Klaus in order to save and free his fellow hybrids. He not only talked about it but he took the necessary steps to try to get away from Klaus. Tyler's execution was way off - after all, the hybrids ended up dead - but that was because he trusted that back-stabber Hayley. Really, she couldn't just do her own research to find her family? And in the end what did Shane end up giving her? Klaus gave her better info by telling her about the tattoo on her back. All she had to do was sleep with Klaus. Although i found that scene disturbing. The look on her face was almost like it was a full moon and she was becoming a werewolf...not attractive.
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Post by tara on Jun 2, 2013 17:48:25 GMT -5
You read my mind too! The only thing I would add about being shocked was the sire bond. That Damon had that sort of power and control over Elena was completely horrifying. I'm still not over it! I kind of expected it. I knew if DE was going to happen, they were going to have to throw something crazy in. I just don't understand the need to force something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 17:54:19 GMT -5
Who in your opinion got the most character growth?
Definitely Tyler, he was grown up all of a sudden between season 2 and 3, took a point, stood for his ideals, he is a good boyfriend (I love Forwood). Tyler Lockwood is awesome, a good son, a good boyfriend, a good packleader and a good friend to have. One you can rely on. And I am glad he is coming back to Mystic Falls again next fall Your analysis of Tyler is bang on! I wasn't a big fan of the werewolves and the hybrid story line was interesting but still not overly exciting. But I did like how Tyler stood up for his friends and wanted to take Klaus out because of the sire bond. Tyler really did become strong character-wise and honorable. Tyler understood how being under Klaus' control was disgusting. I think it took a lot of courage for Tyler to want to sacrifice himself to trap Klaus in order to save and free his fellow hybrids. He not only talked about it but he took the necessary steps to try to get away from Klaus. Tyler's execution was way off - after all, the hybrids ended up dead - but that was because he trusted that back-stabber Hayley. Really, she couldn't just do her own research to find her family? And in the end what did Shane end up giving her? Klaus gave her better info by telling her about the tattoo on her back. All she had to do was sleep with Klaus. Although i found that scene disturbing. The look on her face was almost like it was a full moon and she was becoming a werewolf...not attractive. Napoli, I think the werewolve storyline was very suspenseful and nervewrecking in season 2 and it was very interesting to see how both entities can't stand each other and are a threat to each other, saying for one season though, wouldn't want to have them in all seasons, same goes for the hybrids,although they were kind of a running gag, they were supposed to be so powerful and dropped like dead flies LOL!!! </img> TYler was a superficial rich spoilt kid on the surface in season 1 and the way he bullied my beloved Jeremy was very annoying. But deep underneath you could already assume that the kid had issues as well, do you remember the scene after Major Lockwood wanted to force Jer and Ty to beat each other up and Akaric butted in...short while after that Jer asked TY if he had to go through all of this with his Dad etc and all of a sudden Ty punched him and Jer asked "What is wrong with you you what is your problem?" And we saw the full moon in the background. I also like Forwood, even though I am fascinated by Klaus intentions and his epic love declaration (I am not at a point where I can forgive Klaus all his wrongdoings yet...nonono, I want some real redemption arc). But I liked very much how Ty took the reponsibility during the planned revolution and when it failed he didn't flee, but went back to the woods to find Klaus. I also liked how he stood up to Caro and Stefan and went right through with his plan A. Even though the yhad a conflict of interests.
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Post by Ruby on Jun 2, 2013 18:17:55 GMT -5
Day 4.Who was your LEAST favorite Character AND why?
My least Favorite Character this season was Definitely Elena. From the very beginning she was so whiny and complaining how she couldn't survive being a vampire and yadadadad. She made Stefan feel like she would not be able to do it which caused for him to try to find a way out for her and then for her to turn around and say he made her feel like a broken toy. It was ridiculous. Then after Stefan clearly was the one who broke up with her, everyone kept saying it was her who dumped him. The way she treated her friends was crazy and then when her humanity switch was turned off everything went away except her self centered attitude was heightened. It was all about her. This season was the worse for me when it came to Elena. (Im not sure if I answered this already but I went into more depth lol)
Day 5.Who in your opinion got the most character growth?
The person to me who had the most character growth this season was Tyler to an extent. they had so much potential for him with the whole stepping up in the beginning of the season to have everyone's back and even agreeing for klaus to take over his body to protect everyone. Then the moment when all the hybrids bowed to him to show he was leader was awesome. One of my favorite scenes of season 4. Then it all went downhill with his whole plot to get rid of Kllaus and got all the hybrids killed. After that I started to dislike him trash talking klaus and then running away. It made him look like a dog running with his tail between his legs/
Day 6.What were the most shocking things for you in season 4
The most shocking thing to me in Season 4 was Definitely Jeremy's and Bonnie's Death. I never expected them to go there and get rid of these beloved characters. I always considered them safe even Bonnie who was the only witch I never expected that her power would get the best of her. Silas latest reveal in the season finale was also shocking to me showing his true face. It's been a while since TVD left me like nooooo we have to wait how long to see what happens?
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Post by Ruby on Jun 2, 2013 20:00:02 GMT -5
Hey Guys Just to Clarify something...I have been sharing this thread on tumblr to invite more fans to come to our forum...One particular fan was interested especially when I mentioned its a friendly thread to discuss at. They came to take a look and this is what they said....
I got really interested when I saw you post about friendly discussions on TVD at the fan forum site, until I actually went on a read. Yes no posts were harsh but it seemed it was nothing more than a Stelena friendly site. I wouldn't feel at all comfortable posting there. All the round table discussion was about Stelena and putting down DE. You might want to clarify that in your post because for a minute I was excited about a forum for all fans until I actually went on there.
So I responded to them...unfortunately public since they sent an anon message...but this is what I said
My Apologies Anon…The thing is we are just starting out and we are kind of refugees from a former site We don’t have any current DEs on there but would definitely Love some on there to interact with. Once we see some Friendly DE’s come on we can definitely make sure the strong opinions of opposing ships is toned down. Thank you for the feedback definitely will take that into consideration anyway! =) I will most definitely let my members know to tone it down anyway so it is more welcoming to everyone
Just wanted to let you guys know =)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 3:55:44 GMT -5
What made you the angriest?
Definitely when Katharina grabbed Jeremy and pushed him towards Silas and used him as blood leverage. I was boiling with rage and still am angry while writing this!!! SO angry that Kat is forever on my crap list.
I was angry and shocked when Bonnie died...really!!! Had high hope for a Beremy reunion of the real life.
I was angry with STefan for the first time when he tried to talk Elena out of killing Kat. This annoyed me very very much.
I was annoyed when Connor shouted around in the MYstic Grill when he kidnapped the kids and set up all the booby traps. He really needn't shout so much!!! That was my thought!
I was uberpissed at Damon for saying to Jer in the season finale "How is it that even in death you are the pain of my existence" So not cool!!!!
I was angry at Caro when she went behind Tys back in the midseason finale. He needed her full support and told her so and she blabbed everything out to Stefan...was really disappointed with my girl.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 3:59:35 GMT -5
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Post by teppy1 on Jun 3, 2013 6:12:11 GMT -5
Angriest
I read your guys and I changed my mind --- I was most angry when Damon said "I would say I am sorry, but I'm not." to Elena about the SE breakup. AND Bonnie dying. Bonnie is DEAD.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 6:39:34 GMT -5
AngriestI read your guys and I changed my mind --- I was most angry when Damon said "I would say I am sorry, but I'm not." to Elena about the SE breakup. AND Bonnie dying. Bonnie is DEAD. It is interesting that so many are very angry with Damon, but I am watching season 1 now BTW and I find it increasingly difficult to take the guy serious, even though I was angry with him for saying that stupid stuff to Jeremy it is not bc he said those things, but bc he doesn't evolve and his maturity level is like the eternal stud playing Rebel without a Cause over and over again. Either that or the character is extremely poorly played by Smolderholder. I find myself rolling my eyes when he opens his mouth. About Damon I would just like to quote my beloved ELIJAH in season 2, the most mature of all characters "You talk a good game DAmon, but you don't undertstand a thing..." Elijah knew how to take him down a peg or two.
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Post by teppy1 on Jun 3, 2013 6:50:59 GMT -5
AngriestI read your guys and I changed my mind --- I was most angry when Damon said "I would say I am sorry, but I'm not." to Elena about the SE breakup. AND Bonnie dying. Bonnie is DEAD. It is interesting that so many are very angry with Damon, but I am watching season 1 now BTW and I find it increasingly difficult to take the guy serious, even though I was angry with him for saying that stupid stuff to Jeremy it is not bc he said those things, but bc he doesn't evolve and his maturity level is like the eternal stud playing Rebel without a Cause over and over again. Either that or the character is extremely poorly played by Smolderholder. I find myself rolling my eyes when he opens his mouth. About Damon I would just like to quote my beloved ELIJAH in season 2, the most mature of all characters "You talk a good game DAmon, but you don't understand a thing..." Elijah knew how to take him down a peg or two. Great quote! I loooooove Elijah.
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