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Post by Ruby on Feb 19, 2015 19:51:16 GMT -5
THIS IS A DEBATES AREA THREAD PLEASE READ BELOW lets come together to share our thoughts about tonight's episode! =) All TVD Fans Welcomed including Exclusive Ship fans lol Lets discuss: What did you Like? What you did not like? What was your favorite scene/quote? What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard?
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Post by Ruby on Feb 19, 2015 21:05:27 GMT -5
ABOUT FREAKING TIME. GREAT EPISODE!
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Post by Ruby on Feb 19, 2015 22:28:54 GMT -5
Ok where do we start!!!!! Caroline ForbesUrgh Candice….Terrific performance in this episode. Caroline was dealing with the aftermath of her mom's death and she is trying to be her perfect self but she is barely managing…
I loved the opening scene that she wakes up amongst all her friends sleeping around her. Elena, Matt, Tyler and Stefan (Missing Bonnie of course) I thought they were going to show Damon peacefully sleeping in his own bed but they did not. They show Damon trying to write the eulogy speech and him actually trying to open up to Caroline, who is definitely not having it. (I secretly wish she would've though) Damon tries to mention mama salvatore but even that Caroline does not care to hear about… One of my favorite moments was when she is like "Elena you are with me. We are going Casket Shopping!" lol She needs to know the aftermath of the situation with Stefan and although Stefan tells her he rather talk about it after everything is done with, he indirectly gives her his response that it might not just work out. She gets through the day, and twice hints at wanting to turn off her humanity to Elena..who btw has been an amazing friend for her during this whole day and who is smart enough to catch on to what Caroline wants to do. Elena and Caroline
Elena gets to Caroline in time to try to talk her out of her decision and Caroline tells Elena off before crying on how much it hurts. As much as Elena has been a great friend to Caroline this whole episode, I was glad Caroline told her off. First she tells Elena she is a better vampire then she will ever be and then she reminds Elena that she turned off her humanity (well Damon kind of sire bonded her to do it) when Jeremy died and then erased her memories when Damon died…. so with the snap of the neck she leaves…which in my opinion it was just for the dramatics because turning off your humanity switch doesn't require anything but willing it… Also Caroline abruptly tells Elena she kissed Stefan. I thought it would've been more of a girl code conversation but i guess not… Damon and Stefan
DEFAN feels were on point this episode. First we see a flashback of lil stefan with big brother Damon which confused the crap out of me because of the age difference. I pictures a younger damon hahaha but then we see Stefan asking Damon for advice about Caroline. Damon tells him straight up, if you even have to ask how to handle it that means she's not a true love etc. Then we see another Flashback of crying stefan telling Damon where was he for the funeral. and he could've at least just said goodbye! which gives Damon an idea on how to start Liz' eulogy. Damon uses Caroline as his center for the eulogy saying her amazing qualities that her mother wanted Caroline to be reminded of her but what Damon also did was make Stefan realize Caroline is not Katherine. Caroline is not Elena. Caroline is her own wrecking force and there is definitely something there. which Damon converted me to the Steroline Ship…. I WILL SHIP THEM AS WHATEVER THEY BECOME friends…lovers etc etc
Alaric, The Gemini Coven, Mama Salvatore and Bonnie
We also see in the beginning of the episode JO throwing up and the first thing i said was welllll SHES PREGNANT. but no they cut to Kai being all sick and weird at her doorstep. JO checks up on him, and sees that he is just suffering from side effects of merging with the wrong twin and when I say side effects I mean possible deadly side effects. If he dies, the whole gemini coven dies and then the prison worlds collapses killing everyone who are trapped in them….which ALSO MADE ME SAY WHAT!!!! There is more then one prison world and other people trapped! As soon as that was mentioned,,,,,I called it! Mama Salvatore is trapped somewhere… Conveniently we get a scene of Bonnie's Eclipse turning into the Northern Lights showing that she is transitioning through prison worlds…We see footprints in the snow and a 1903 Salvatore House…along with a picture of the brothers which by the way Mama Salvatore's prison world was in the future? because she died way before 1903 and 1864… so A. She got imprisoned to the future B. She faked her death and really died later on or C. She traveled between prison worlds somehow.
Kai persuades Jo to give him her magic for the sake of the survival of the coven and she willingly does after some nice advice from Alaric.. Kai also mentions people like him are the ones trapped in these other prison worlds hinting that MAMA Salvatore could be a possible Evil Person as well as maybe related to the gemini coven… So definitely looking forward to this storyline!!!!Kai ends up with Jo's power and congrats her because guess what SHE IS PREGNANT…WHAT WHAT alaric is having a baby….AND IM CALLING IT NOW, THEY ARE HAVING TWINS HAHAHAHAH and also they are happily engaged yayyyyyyyy =) Bonnie Bon Bon BAMONBefore meeting Mama Salvatore she is taken away into the celestial event back home… ( Anna went with them hahaha insider heheheh ) WE SEE Damon coming back home and finding pancakes (YAY) and a surpassed a watery eyes Damon breathes…"Bonnie" She replies with a watery eye grin and JUMPS RIGHT INTO HIS ARMS. PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT I thought Bonnie was going to show up in the nick of time to save Caroline from her big fallout in life but she ended up at Damons which was all worth it…. Now Stefan realizes he wants to confess his love or potential love/connection to Caroline but of course in TVD fashion it will be prolonged to most likely the end of the season!
Best Episode in a while man! Enjoyed it now definitely looking forward to the next episode
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Post by Ruby on Feb 19, 2015 22:48:31 GMT -5
totally forgot to mention Matt joining the Police Force!!!!
AND ALSO shootout to Matt….Always stepping up handling Tyler like a boss lol
Saddest Moment for me was the Deputy calling Sheriff Forbes on the radio ;(
Yes caroline! But No Caroline!!!
Happiest moment For me…. Their Smiles were everything!
Mama Salvatore!!
Actually Liked this Delena Scene
Stefan and Ruby becoming Steroline Shippers
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Post by Kiki on Feb 20, 2015 8:39:35 GMT -5
I LOVED this episode. That's what TVD used to be. Now that I don't care about Elena anymore Delena doesn't bother me so much. This scene in the kitchen was even nice to watch. Since season 1 I have been hoping to see Mama Salvatore. I cannot tell you how excited I am. I just hope they will not make her evil. A happy reunion with her sons would be soooooo cool. I loved Elena in this episode. That was the old Elena again. She cared about her friend and was there for her although Damon was available for a quickie all the time. Nope she wasn't his bedbunny this time but showed that there is still the old Elena inside. I hope this will last now. Steroline... well I don't know what to think. The kiss last episode was so nice. I really felt for them. But everything that came after... I don't know... it took Stefan so long to realize he has feelings for her but it looks like it's just a little glimpse instead of a burning fire. Doesn't look epic to me. But I am open to be convinced by a good storyline. I never really cared about Bamon. I always prefered Damon with Bonnie but I didn't care much. This episode really made me ship Bamon. How cute was that reunion? Just the kiss was missing. I hope this is going somewhere. And Alaric and Joe getting married and having a baby came as a rare surprise. Looking forward to a great wedding with lots of emotions. I think these last 2 episodes brought real emotions back to TVD. That's what I was missing. I can live without Stelena now but I cannot live without real emotions. No more hot sex please. Show feelings if you want to let us feel them.
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Post by deb on Feb 20, 2015 9:59:34 GMT -5
I LOVED this episode. That's what TVD used to be. Now that I don't care about Elena anymore Delena doesn't bother me so much. This scene in the kitchen was even nice to watch. Since season 1 I have been hoping to see Mama Salvatore. I cannot tell you how excited I am. I just hope they will not make her evil. A happy reunion with her sons would be soooooo cool. I loved Elena in this episode. That was the old Elena again. She cared about her friend and was there for her although Damon was available for a quickie all the time. Nope she wasn't his bedbunny this time but showed that there is still the old Elena inside. I hope this will last now. Steroline... well I don't know what to think. The kiss last episode was so nice. I really felt for them. But everything that came after... I don't know... it took Stefan so long to realize he has feelings for her but it looks like it's just a little glimpse instead of a burning fire. Doesn't look epic to me. But I am open to be convinced by a good storyline. I never really cared about Bamon. I always prefered Damon with Bonnie but I didn't care much. This episode really made me ship Bamon. How cute was that reunion? Just the kiss was missing. I hope this is going somewhere. And Alaric and Joe getting married and having a baby came as a rare surprise. Looking forward to a great wedding with lots of emotions. I think these last 2 episodes brought real emotions back to TVD. That's what I was missing. I can live without Stelena now but I cannot live without real emotions. No more hot sex please. Show feelings if you want to let us feel them. I might watch this episode because everybody is saying that it was good and, you know, little Stefan Without watching it yet, I get the feeling that the writers are achieving their goal: People who shipped SE, are finally giving up on Elena and SE.
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Post by Kiki on Feb 20, 2015 10:36:24 GMT -5
I LOVED this episode. That's what TVD used to be. Now that I don't care about Elena anymore Delena doesn't bother me so much. This scene in the kitchen was even nice to watch. Since season 1 I have been hoping to see Mama Salvatore. I cannot tell you how excited I am. I just hope they will not make her evil. A happy reunion with her sons would be soooooo cool. I loved Elena in this episode. That was the old Elena again. She cared about her friend and was there for her although Damon was available for a quickie all the time. Nope she wasn't his bedbunny this time but showed that there is still the old Elena inside. I hope this will last now. Steroline... well I don't know what to think. The kiss last episode was so nice. I really felt for them. But everything that came after... I don't know... it took Stefan so long to realize he has feelings for her but it looks like it's just a little glimpse instead of a burning fire. Doesn't look epic to me. But I am open to be convinced by a good storyline. I never really cared about Bamon. I always prefered Damon with Bonnie but I didn't care much. This episode really made me ship Bamon. How cute was that reunion? Just the kiss was missing. I hope this is going somewhere. And Alaric and Joe getting married and having a baby came as a rare surprise. Looking forward to a great wedding with lots of emotions. I think these last 2 episodes brought real emotions back to TVD. That's what I was missing. I can live without Stelena now but I cannot live without real emotions. No more hot sex please. Show feelings if you want to let us feel them. I might watch this episode because everybody is saying that it was good and, you know, little Stefan Without watching it yet, I get the feeling that the writers are achieving their goal: People who shipped SE, are finally giving up on Elena and SE. yes I came to a point where I thought I can either continue to feel sad about Stelena or move on and see if I can try to find some joy from what the show offers. And without thinking about what happened with Stelena I think Steroline can be a good lovestory. I just fear that the minute I give in to it and like it they will turn it completely into something bad. Like they tend to do with everything that starts cute. I bet Mama Salvatore will be the next bad villain and there will be no emotional happy reunion at all
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Post by crimmyj on Feb 20, 2015 13:10:22 GMT -5
Before meeting Mama Salvatore she is taken away into the celestial event back home… (Anna went with them hahaha insider heheheh ) Now anytime Anna leaves the chat (by accident) it shall be deemed a celestial event.
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Post by Ruby on Feb 20, 2015 13:15:54 GMT -5
Before meeting Mama Salvatore she is taken away into the celestial event back home… (Anna went with them hahaha insider heheheh ) Now anytime Anna leaves the chat (by accident) it shall be deemed a celestial event. YESSSS HHAHAHAH GOOD TIMES
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Post by crimmyj on Feb 20, 2015 14:39:25 GMT -5
Yes, it's me...the boards "debbie downer". The constant complainer, never satisfied me...I know, guys...I'm sorry. I can't help it. My optimism bolted out the window long ago (like Anna fleeing from a chatroom!) and I have exceedingly high expectations which I will not lower because I've done that in my romantic life too many times to know it never ends well. any hoo...over caffeinated.... That said, this was probably the best episode of this season so far (that is a relatively low bar for me) but I didn't lovey love it either. I will actually for once try to use the threads format to break it down. First time for everything! What did I like?
- Absolutely no freakin Enzo in this episode...nothing. zero, zilch, nada. Please writers kill him already, this episode shows he is not needed or missed, and his storyline is poop. Though it was kinda weird he wasn't around for Caroline considering the very beginning of this season he was attached to her hip, and Caroline even commented on him being the one person she could depend on at that time. Consistency is not the theme of this season. - Bonnie is back. I was going to start lighting hot fires if she didn't come back soon. Its been far too long to leave that character out in the weeds. and they keep doing it. I hope this means she is back for good, no more martyr Bonnie. - I love that they took the time to show a service funeral, If anyone has ever attended a funeral of a public servant (police officer/firefighter/military) it is something to see and devastatingly beautiful. So I LOVED that they showed the final call that they traditionally do at a cop's funeral. If that doesn't make you weep, you have no soul!! Its guts me. - Defan (of all ages) though, Ian your hairstyle made you look younger, but not a 17 yr old young. - Elena was tolerable for the first time this season...this is monumental guys, season 1 monumental. - Candice Accola's voice. It's lovely. This was her episode...great work, though her crazy eyes freak me out sometimes. - Matt...just being Matt. This episode actually made me miss Matt and Caroline together. Matt being moved by the funeral and wanting to be a cop was yes, predictable, but also completely organic to who he is at his core. It just makes sense. And gives me comfort for him. Always keep Matt alive, human, and perfect. Never change Matt Donovan, you are my constant. - Bamon... Plec if you could give me one thing this season...Bamon. That hug, already better chemistry than anyone else.
What did I not like?- Actually I wasn't all that excited about the whole Alaric-Jo proposal/pregnancy thing... because so far this season they havent had much screen time at all, much less together as a couple for me to believe this love. Again it is things not shown but we are just to assume that happened off screen. I would have loved to have seen this relationship blossom (like Alaric and Jenna) but we got non of that which made the whole proposal pregnancy scene lack any emotional resonance to me. - Tyler showing up drunk... I get he is hurting but damn, I really wanted him to step up for Caroline. At least he was on screen. So there is that. But while I love the idea of deputy Donovan...deputy Lockwood is worst idea ever. Not his life calling. Let's give the guy with anger issues, inability to handle emotions, and a werewolf curse...a gun with a badge attached. nooooo. If you are finding ways for him to turn into a were again, just kill him this time after you do it, because that would be a true tragedy for his character. - Prison worlds ....plural. WTF, seriously Plec. You got rid of the other side, to stop yourself from bringing back characters from the dead because death became absolutely meaningless...so you decide to make prison world(S) and your first order of business is to bring people back from the "dead" essentially. *bangs head on keyboard* I'm going to be the one person who is not a fan of bringing back Mama Salvatore me thinks. It is too contrived for my liking. And apparently more people will be coming from these prison worlds. Hey if we are going to play that game, just bring Katherine back. Did Kai magic zap/wrong twin suckage..."lower the veil" on the prison world and unshackled the witchy criminals...JP, CD...we've done this, right? -Caroline turning off her humanity. *deep breath* not a fan of this mainly because there was this slight insinuation that Stefan is the reason. Or at least the final push in her decision. You want her to flip her switch of her grieving mother, ok fine, elena did it so it isn't uncharted territory, but then to piggyback the fact that Stefan didn't give her a love declaration at her mother's funeral to be the cherry on top. NO. Can we not keep writing chicks falling apart due to a man. So now guilt ridden Stefan is going going tack on more guilt blame himself and have to be the one to bring her back. Can Caroline have problems emotionally without it being tied to a male's love? You are not selling Steroline to me on this premise...writers, you are making it worse. And I was willing to give you a pass after the kiss, but THIS. Cmon. Favorite Scene?
Bamon HUG!!!
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Post by demetra on Feb 20, 2015 14:47:41 GMT -5
OMG. That was the most gratifying TVD for such a long time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by demetra on Feb 20, 2015 14:56:17 GMT -5
I had so many wishes fulfilled. Mama Salvatore!! What crimes could she have committed that were so heinous as to be consigned to the prison world???? Loved that everyone was sleeping together in their support of Caroline. And even bought into Stefan realizing his love for Caroline could be more -- then foiled! Bonnie and Damon reunion -- lovely. Alaric and Jo--hooray!!!!! Damon and Elena were sweet together. Loved how organic Matt's decision to move into the police service was in relation to Liz's funeral. Loved how as was the case at the end of Season One even when Damon was trying to do the right thing by telling Jeremy the truth, the impact of his truth-sharing with Caroline was devastating. Lending tragedy and gravitas to Damon's situation, not diminishing him. Same with Stefan's timing. Meant the best, but the consequences were not what he intended. I know everyone doesn't feel this way, but it is so much better when the person who writes the episode directs the episode. Julie Plec did a stunning job as a first time director.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Feb 20, 2015 15:39:12 GMT -5
What did I not like?- Actually I wasn't all that excited about the whole Alaric-Jo proposal/pregnancy thing... because so far this season they havent had much screen time at all, much less together as a couple for me to believe this love. Again it is things not shown but we are just to assume that happened off screen. I would have loved to have seen this relationship blossom (like Alaric and Jenna) but we got non of that which made the whole proposal pregnancy scene lack any emotional resonance to me.
I felt a lot of sympathy for Alaric in that moment. When he was all "I never thought I'd have this", because it's true; he fricking died! He never thought he'd live again, let alone have a girlfriend that he loves and a child (or children twins) However, while it wasn't entirely OOC what he did and Jo is cute... I'm with you. I feel like it wasn't time. On the bright side (for me as a Jeremy fan), this must be the wedding Steven and JP hinted at when saying that Jer could come back for funerals, weddings, series finales. I'm inclined to think the wedding will happen in the series finale. Perhaps the Red Wedding TVD style.
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Post by gdep12 on Feb 20, 2015 15:45:19 GMT -5
Am I on the right forum? Delena cute? Steroline tolerable? Must be opposite day.Just kidding, found the episode to be mildly entertaining. Liked the Kai interactions with Alaric and Jo. Liked Matts part in the episode. Caroline had some good moments especially with Elena.Disliked Stefan throughout the whole episode, starting to bore me to be honest. He has a pointless storyline and is really unimportant to the whole scope of the story. Damon is the star of the show, gets the best lines, most character developmet and growth. Liked him in this episode, his scenes with Stefan were good. He dominates the scenes with Stefan now. Stefan was equal to Damon before, now Damon has the last word in every conversation and comes across as the main hero or protagonist in the story in my point of view. Glad Bonnie is back, hopefully the mama Salvatore storyline is a good one. Tried to not sound so bitter.....failed...Cheers guys!
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Post by crimmyj on Feb 20, 2015 16:16:01 GMT -5
What did I not like?- Actually I wasn't all that excited about the whole Alaric-Jo proposal/pregnancy thing... because so far this season they havent had much screen time at all, much less together as a couple for me to believe this love. Again it is things not shown but we are just to assume that happened off screen. I would have loved to have seen this relationship blossom (like Alaric and Jenna) but we got non of that which made the whole proposal pregnancy scene lack any emotional resonance to me.
I felt a lot of sympathy for Alaric in that moment. When he was all "I never thought I'd have this", because it's true; he fricking died! He never thought he'd live again, let alone have a girlfriend that he loves and a child (or children twins) However, while it wasn't entirely OOC what he did and Jo is cute... I'm with you. I feel like it wasn't time. On the bright side (for me as a Jeremy fan), this must be the wedding Steven and JP hinted at when saying that Jer could come back for funerals, weddings, series finales. I'm inclined to think the wedding will happen in the series finale. Perhaps the Red Wedding TVD style. Don't get me wrong, I totally happy for Alaric. And I don't necessary think anything was OOC...its just there was no on screen build up to this point. Alaric has barely had screen time let alone with Jo to justify the emotional moment between the 2 characters. We have had NO story exposition to really set that up ...everything was left for us to assume this relationship blossomed to this dramatic point off camera. Leaving any casual viewer scratching their head, and us die hards accessing our previous memories of Alaric and being happy for him based off of that, but nothing they have done on screen this season built to that pay off. Too much, too soon. And because of the lack of exposition these moments to me do not feel earned. Does that make sense?
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