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Post by Ruby on Feb 15, 2015 20:50:17 GMT -5
Not as enamored with this episode as everyone else seems to be. I thought we could have done without Enzo's crap for one episode to formulate a better goodbye to Jeremy and also Liz. The Enzo stuff was ruining the episode for me. Unnecessary. The best scene was Caroline having her last moment with her mom and the memory of the learning to ride the bike. Steroline kiss...yeah I got nothing. That didn't make me want them to have sexy time. but it was nice to see Stefan being Stefan, always knowing the right thing to say. Watching Delena be parents is so cringey...I just can't. *makes gag face* It takes me back to that parent teacher conference and ugh. It is super funny when Damon jokes about murder...or killing Jeremy. *defeated sigh* If THAT doesn't clue you in on how the writers feel about Damon's previous actions and the fact they give zero effs about atonement. I'm glad but also ambivalent that they decided Jer was going off to hunt vampers. I was like "oh that's nice" *shrug* because off to art school seemed so anticlimactic. oh look Alaric, he still exists and apparently off screen he and Jeremy talked about his future...which I would have much rather seen a scene of that than Damon having a moment with Jer by giving him a joint and joking about killing him again. It would have been a far more interesting moment to see someone who cares about Jeremy have an actual character developing conversation with Jeremy, and not some moment to play for laughs that had nothing to do with Jer's transition into his next stage in life, adulthood. Again the writers are dropping the ball with these moments too many times. But for me one big emotional cry scene does not a great episode make. None of the posts on the thread say one emotional scene was the reason for rating the show high or calling it great. Everyone had multiple reasons. The ending was the icing on the cake of a well put together episode, not the basis for why the episode worked. I watched it from the perspective that it was a Liz- and Jeremy- centric episode and there was a clear through-line. All the stories (minus Enzo scenes - cut, cut!) were about those two as individuals and how their lives intertwined after losing Miranda and Grayson. Liz and Jeremy were portrayed as imperfect, Sheriff Forbes because she allowed her friendship with Damon to cloud her professional judgement, and Jeremy because his high school experience was pretty awful for various reasons, some outside his control. It was a nice touch to show both accepting their fates in the end, two humans who found a place inside the supernatural world at the expense of normal lives. It was a good story, as well as a sad goodbye. I actually gave this episode a 5. Its been a while but I liked it because somehow each storyline flowed with each other. (Minus to the whole Enzo thing)
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Post by crimmyj on Feb 15, 2015 21:45:53 GMT -5
Not as enamored with this episode as everyone else seems to be. I thought we could have done without Enzo's crap for one episode to formulate a better goodbye to Jeremy and also Liz. The Enzo stuff was ruining the episode for me. Unnecessary. The best scene was Caroline having her last moment with her mom and the memory of the learning to ride the bike. Steroline kiss...yeah I got nothing. That didn't make me want them to have sexy time. but it was nice to see Stefan being Stefan, always knowing the right thing to say. Watching Delena be parents is so cringey...I just can't. *makes gag face* It takes me back to that parent teacher conference and ugh. It is super funny when Damon jokes about murder...or killing Jeremy. *defeated sigh* If THAT doesn't clue you in on how the writers feel about Damon's previous actions and the fact they give zero effs about atonement. I'm glad but also ambivalent that they decided Jer was going off to hunt vampers. I was like "oh that's nice" *shrug* because off to art school seemed so anticlimactic. oh look Alaric, he still exists and apparently off screen he and Jeremy talked about his future...which I would have much rather seen a scene of that than Damon having a moment with Jer by giving him a joint and joking about killing him again. It would have been a far more interesting moment to see someone who cares about Jeremy have an actual character developing conversation with Jeremy, and not some moment to play for laughs that had nothing to do with Jer's transition into his next stage in life, adulthood. Again the writers are dropping the ball with these moments too many times. But for me one big emotional cry scene does not a great episode make. None of the posts on the thread say one emotional scene was the reason for rating the show high or calling it great. Everyone had multiple reasons. The ending was the icing on the cake of a well put together episode, not the basis for why the episode worked. I watched it from the perspective that it was a Liz- and Jeremy- centric episode and there was a clear through-line. All the stories (minus Enzo scenes - cut, cut!) were about those two as individuals and how their lives intertwined after losing Miranda and Grayson. Liz and Jeremy were portrayed as imperfect, Sheriff Forbes because she allowed her friendship with Damon to cloud her professional judgement, and Jeremy because his high school experience was pretty awful for various reasons, some outside his control. It was a nice touch to show both accepting their fates in the end, two humans who found a place inside the supernatural world at the expense of normal lives. It was a good story, as well as a sad goodbye. Wasn't at all insinuating that was anyone's reason for its high ranking. I didn't find the emotional resonance throughout like you did. So the one moment that did conjure up an emotional connection for me wasn't enough for me to consider the episode great. Ergo my statement had everything to do with how I felt about the episode, not how anyone else felt about it. I felt they dropped the ball with Jeremy's sendoff and wasted valuable time including Enzo in this episode at all, sullying what could have been a few more poignant moments between characters to give closure. In a perfect world, Jeremy would have started his life's mission to eliminate the vampire threat and become the supernatural hunter that he is by making his first kill be Enzo. who is a clear and present threat to his friends, unlike some vamps in some other state. Maybe in the season finale. *shrug*
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Post by Ruby on Feb 15, 2015 22:01:35 GMT -5
None of the posts on the thread say one emotional scene was the reason for rating the show high or calling it great. Everyone had multiple reasons. The ending was the icing on the cake of a well put together episode, not the basis for why the episode worked. I watched it from the perspective that it was a Liz- and Jeremy- centric episode and there was a clear through-line. All the stories (minus Enzo scenes - cut, cut!) were about those two as individuals and how their lives intertwined after losing Miranda and Grayson. Liz and Jeremy were portrayed as imperfect, Sheriff Forbes because she allowed her friendship with Damon to cloud her professional judgement, and Jeremy because his high school experience was pretty awful for various reasons, some outside his control. It was a nice touch to show both accepting their fates in the end, two humans who found a place inside the supernatural world at the expense of normal lives. It was a good story, as well as a sad goodbye. Wasn't at all insinuating that was anyone's reason for its high ranking. I didn't find the emotional resonance throughout like you did. So the one moment that did conjure up an emotional connection for me wasn't enough for me to consider the episode great. Ergo my statement had everything to do with how I felt about the episode, not how anyone else felt about it. I felt they dropped the ball with Jeremy's sendoff and wasted valuable time including Enzo in this episode at all, sullying what could have been a few more poignant moments between characters to give closure. In a perfect world, Jeremy would have started his life's mission to eliminate the vampire threat and become the supernatural hunter that he is by making his first kill be Enzo. who is a clear and present threat to his friends, unlike some vamps in some other state. Maybe in the season finale. *shrug* I agree. I wish they would've made it a bigger deal the fact that Enzo attacked jeremy as a way to blackmail matt. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards
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Post by jennifer on Feb 15, 2015 22:15:53 GMT -5
None of the posts on the thread say one emotional scene was the reason for rating the show high or calling it great. Everyone had multiple reasons. The ending was the icing on the cake of a well put together episode, not the basis for why the episode worked. I watched it from the perspective that it was a Liz- and Jeremy- centric episode and there was a clear through-line. All the stories (minus Enzo scenes - cut, cut!) were about those two as individuals and how their lives intertwined after losing Miranda and Grayson. Liz and Jeremy were portrayed as imperfect, Sheriff Forbes because she allowed her friendship with Damon to cloud her professional judgement, and Jeremy because his high school experience was pretty awful for various reasons, some outside his control. It was a nice touch to show both accepting their fates in the end, two humans who found a place inside the supernatural world at the expense of normal lives. It was a good story, as well as a sad goodbye. Wasn't at all insinuating that was anyone's reason for its high ranking. I didn't find the emotional resonance throughout like you did. So the one moment that did conjure up an emotional connection for me wasn't enough for me to consider the episode great. Ergo my statement had everything to do with how I felt about the episode, not how anyone else felt about it. I felt they dropped the ball with Jeremy's sendoff and wasted valuable time including Enzo in this episode at all, sullying what could have been a few more poignant moments between characters to give closure. In a perfect world, Jeremy would have started his life's mission to eliminate the vampire threat and become the supernatural hunter that he is by making his first kill be Enzo. who is a clear and present threat to his friends, unlike some vamps in some other state. Maybe in the season finale. *shrug* Yeah, I think I yelled "I hate you" at Enzo a few times. In a perfect world, I totally agree Jeremy offing Enzo when he got the shoe to his face would be a scene to remember. Sorry for misunderstanding your point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 0:51:42 GMT -5
Wasn't at all insinuating that was anyone's reason for its high ranking. I didn't find the emotional resonance throughout like you did. So the one moment that did conjure up an emotional connection for me wasn't enough for me to consider the episode great. Ergo my statement had everything to do with how I felt about the episode, not how anyone else felt about it. I felt they dropped the ball with Jeremy's sendoff and wasted valuable time including Enzo in this episode at all, sullying what could have been a few more poignant moments between characters to give closure. In a perfect world, Jeremy would have started his life's mission to eliminate the vampire threat and become the supernatural hunter that he is by making his first kill be Enzo. who is a clear and present threat to his friends, unlike some vamps in some other state. Maybe in the season finale. *shrug* Yeah, I think I yelled "I hate you" at Enzo a few times. In a perfect world, I totally agree Jeremy offing Enzo when he got the shoe to his face would be a scene to remember. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. Seriously jennifer, was it necessary for Enzo to put his shoe on Jeremy's mouth? I mean... really!?! God, what a piece of crap he is. Sanitary issues aside (yuck!), that was just wrong. I'm sure Steven wanted that on his way out the door. I'm sure he gave it his "thumbs up." Sigh! Who else is counting the days to an Enzo heart-rip? I know I am. The guy had so much potential as a character, but now he's just a cancer (probably too soon. Sorry Liz) everyone wants to be rid of. Thanks writers, you've done a swell job there.
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Post by jennifer on Feb 16, 2015 13:04:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I think I yelled "I hate you" at Enzo a few times. In a perfect world, I totally agree Jeremy offing Enzo when he got the shoe to his face would be a scene to remember. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. Seriously jennifer, was it necessary for Enzo to put his shoe on Jeremy's mouth? I mean... really!?! God, what a piece of crap he is. Sanitary issues aside (yuck!), that was just wrong. I'm sure Steven wanted that on his way out the door. I'm sure he gave it his "thumbs up." Sigh! Who else is counting the days to an Enzo heart-rip? I know I am. The guy had so much potential as a character, but now he's just a cancer (probably too soon. Sorry Liz) everyone wants to be rid of. Thanks writers, you've done a swell job there. It didn't have the desired effect on me if they wanted shock and awe. I was focused on more obsessive/compulsive topics like whether the shoe was new, and if it wasn't, did they clean it off or was there maybe like toilet paper or gum still stuck on there? Also, was Enzo really sticking it straight on his face or was it barely placed there giving the illusion of pushing on his face. Yep, that's where my mind went. Hey, but Steven got a nice Nina hug on set, thinking about those pics posted here, so maybe he forgot about the shoe incident?
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Post by aliensoul13 on Feb 16, 2015 14:41:45 GMT -5
Seriously jennifer, was it necessary for Enzo to put his shoe on Jeremy's mouth? I mean... really!?! God, what a piece of crap he is. Sanitary issues aside (yuck!), that was just wrong. I'm sure Steven wanted that on his way out the door. I'm sure he gave it his "thumbs up." Sigh! Who else is counting the days to an Enzo heart-rip? I know I am. The guy had so much potential as a character, but now he's just a cancer (probably too soon. Sorry Liz) everyone wants to be rid of. Thanks writers, you've done a swell job there. It didn't have the desired effect on me if they wanted shock and awe. I was focused on more obsessive/compulsive topics like whether the shoe was new, and if it wasn't, did they clean it off or was there maybe like toilet paper or gum still stuck on there? Also, was Enzo really sticking it straight on his face or was it barely placed there giving the illusion of pushing on his face. Yep, that's where my mind went. Hey, but Steven got a nice Nina hug on set, thinking about those pics posted here, so maybe he forgot about the shoe incident? Haha. Well, I'm sure the shoe was new or barely used. They wouldn't use a used shoe on an actor (unless Steven was crazy enough to agree, which he seems to be at times XD. But even then). And I can image there being a clean cloth of some kind placed between his mouth and the shoe. And I like to think that there was minimum pressure on his face.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 20:12:39 GMT -5
Here's the rehash for "Stay." Hmm... for an episode entitled 'stay', an awful lot of people left. Okay, maybe a handful. Fine, two!
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Post by suchtie on Feb 18, 2015 8:01:38 GMT -5
Compared to other episoded this season this one was okay, but still only 3/5.
As everyone else already said, the Enzo storyline is just a big NO at the moment. I didn't really get a lot from the Steroline kiss even though it looked nice with the sunset (Why again do the writers feel the need to force those two into a romantic relationship again?!).
The Liz part could've been a very good storyline for this episode and it started really well with the unresolved murder cases. Only the way they unraveled the thing with the accident was too lazy IMHO. If she didn't work on the case all alone, someone else definitely would have remembered that there was a dropped power line on Old Miller road or would have figured out the drainage issue... I understand that Liz' mind was somewhere else at that time but then another officer shouldn't have had a hard time solving this case.
Aside from that, I liked the flashback to the night of the accident. I'm going to miss Liz. RIP.
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Post by Kiki on Feb 18, 2015 10:20:57 GMT -5
Compared to other episoded this season this one was okay, but still only 3/5. As everyone else already said, the Enzo storyline is just a big NO at the moment. I didn't really get a lot from the Steroline kiss even though it looked nice with the sunset (Why again do the writers feel the need to force those two into a romantic relationship again?!). The Liz part could've been a very good storyline for this episode and it started really well with the unresolved murder cases. Only the way they unraveled the thing with the accident was too lazy IMHO. If she didn't work on the case all alone, someone else definitely would have remembered that there was a dropped power line on Old Miller road or would have figured out the drainage issue... I understand that Liz' mind was somewhere else at that time but then another officer shouldn't have had a hard time solving this case. Aside from that, I liked the flashback to the night of the accident. I'm going to miss Liz. RIP. Let's wait and see if the accident story was just "lazy" writing of if there is more to it. Damon reacted suspicious in my opinion. As if he was hiding something. Especially when Liz asked about his mom. I'm sure we'll get more of that
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Post by nibbio on Apr 17, 2015 2:30:29 GMT -5
3/5 sry, not impressed lol
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