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Post by demetra on Jan 25, 2015 10:09:30 GMT -5
Coming back to the episode. I think last year's TVD writers' boot camp ran out at 6x09. I hope the third suite of five episodes gets more gripping. The basic premise from this episode is that they didn't kill Kai because then Liv or Luke would die in a merge, is that right? Secondly, why does he lie comfortably on a couch? What is wrong with the Salvatore dungeon or the dungeon under the old town hall or jail? That's where we keep the other mass murderers when they are drying out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 11:46:57 GMT -5
Yeah! this is about the crux of my issue here. I rarely post anymore, because this is the kind of entertainment that amuses the majority here. I get the satirical element, I do, but it is beyond repetitive, to the point that it is beating a dead horse. It was amusing the first time, slightly comical the second, but as time goes on it becomes boring and tasteless. To each there own I suppose. damonsgirl, you may not like it but many people do. Actually, many people enjoy these recaps more than they enjoy the show, right now... If you want to share some recaps that make Damon look good and Stefan look bad, feel free to do it. I won't read it, because I know I won't like it, but I won't say it's boring or tasteless... Fortunately, people can see things differently, enjoy characters diferently and disagree about things. What you really won't achieve here is to get everyone to agree with your opinions, I'm sorry about that. oh dear ... I guess I am the last of the Mohicans, I really enjoy the show this season so far, I may not be as enthusiastic or so obsessed with it like I used to be...but I guess that has nothing to do with the show itself, but that there are sooo many other shows and stuff to do
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Post by damonsgirl on Jan 25, 2015 12:16:56 GMT -5
Yeah! this is about the crux of my issue here. I rarely post anymore, because this is the kind of entertainment that amuses the majority here. I get the satirical element, I do, but it is beyond repetitive, to the point that it is beating a dead horse. It was amusing the first time, slightly comical the second, but as time goes on it becomes boring and tasteless. To each there own I suppose. damonsgirl, you may not like it but many people do. Actually, many people enjoy these recaps more than they enjoy the show, right now... If you want to share some recaps that make Damon look good and Stefan look bad, feel free to do it. I won't read it, because I know I won't like it, but I won't say it's boring or tasteless... Fortunately, people can see things differently, enjoy characters diferently and disagree about things. What you really won't achieve here is to get everyone to agree with your opinions, I'm sorry about that. I gave up long ago trying to have any kind of pro Damon opinion here without it being jumped on or moved to another thread where it could be attacked en mass, so I just read occasionally. My opinions haven't changed, and I doubt yours have either, it was never my intent to change opinions. About the tumblr post- I will always think that poking fun about serious issues such as rape, over and over, is in very bad taste period! I doubt real victims would appreciate it being used as weapon to verbally bash a fictional character in the guise of a sarcastic/humorous blog, but since the target is Damon, I guess it makes that ok here, despite it being in the main thread. Perhaps it would be better in an anti thread, where unsuspecting readers are less likely to click on something so offensive or controversial. If it I found it classless and in bad taste, I am sure others will too, and that can't be good for a site in general that promotes inclusiveness for all fans. The lack of posts here in an episode thread may be a clue that whilst some people agree with you all, many don't.
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Post by katvolley13 on Jan 25, 2015 12:34:03 GMT -5
damonsgirl, you may not like it but many people do. Actually, many people enjoy these recaps more than they enjoy the show, right now... If you want to share some recaps that make Damon look good and Stefan look bad, feel free to do it. I won't read it, because I know I won't like it, but I won't say it's boring or tasteless... Fortunately, people can see things differently, enjoy characters diferently and disagree about things. What you really won't achieve here is to get everyone to agree with your opinions, I'm sorry about that. I gave up long ago trying to have any kind of pro Damon opinion here without it being jumped on or moved to another thread where it could be attacked en mass, so I just read occasionally. My opinions haven't changed, and I doubt yours have either, it was never my intent to change opinions. About the tumblr post- I will always think that poking fun about serious issues such as rape, over and over, is in very bad taste period! I doubt real victims would appreciate it being used as weapon to verbally bash a fictional character in the guise of a sarcastic/humorous blog, but since the target is Damon, I guess it makes that ok here, despite it being in the main thread. Perhaps it would be better in an anti thread, where unsuspecting readers are less likely to click on something so offensive or controversial. If it I found it classless and in bad taste, I am sure others will too, and that can't be good for a site in general that promotes inclusiveness for all fans. The lack of posts here in an episode thread may be a clue that whilst some people agree with you all, many don't. Yeah it brings up heated feelings. I think its sad the writers did not bring everyone more together. Instead everyone is so on their own islands and the show is hurting for it. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
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Post by Ruby on Jan 25, 2015 12:42:45 GMT -5
damonsgirl, you may not like it but many people do. Actually, many people enjoy these recaps more than they enjoy the show, right now... If you want to share some recaps that make Damon look good and Stefan look bad, feel free to do it. I won't read it, because I know I won't like it, but I won't say it's boring or tasteless... Fortunately, people can see things differently, enjoy characters diferently and disagree about things. What you really won't achieve here is to get everyone to agree with your opinions, I'm sorry about that. I gave up long ago trying to have any kind of pro Damon opinion here without it being jumped on or moved to another thread where it could be attacked en mass, so I just read occasionally. My opinions haven't changed, and I doubt yours have either, it was never my intent to change opinions. About the tumblr post- I will always think that poking fun about serious issues such as rape, over and over, is in very bad taste period! I doubt real victims would appreciate it being used as weapon to verbally bash a fictional character in the guise of a sarcastic/humorous blog, but since the target is Damon, I guess it makes that ok here, despite it being in the main thread. Perhaps it would be better in an anti thread, where unsuspecting readers are less likely to click on something so offensive or controversial. If it I found it classless and in bad taste, I am sure others will too, and that can't be good for a site in general that promotes inclusiveness for all fans. The lack of posts here in an episode thread may be a clue that whilst some people agree with you all, many don't. You are correct, regarding poking fun at the issues that shouldn't be made fun of. And honestly, it's not about it being towards damon that it's allowed. I don't even read most of them bc some of them are tacky but I understand some people might enjoy the laugh. It would be a different story if one of our members were the one posting it directly on the site and thats why the roundtable is also a debates thread where some bashing is allowed on any character. But I stand with what I said, the link is available to be clicked on if you want. Maybe from now on I will just ask deb to write a discretion with the link letting people know what characters are being bashed in the recap. Im not really sure where you say your comments have been moved not unless if it was in a neutral thread or shippers thread. For the most part I thought most of us were already welcoming. If people don't post in the episode thread as much I think is because many are just fed up with the writers. I personally just don't have as much time as I used to. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards
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Post by deb on Jan 25, 2015 13:34:16 GMT -5
damonsgirl, you may not like it but many people do. Actually, many people enjoy these recaps more than they enjoy the show, right now... If you want to share some recaps that make Damon look good and Stefan look bad, feel free to do it. I won't read it, because I know I won't like it, but I won't say it's boring or tasteless... Fortunately, people can see things differently, enjoy characters diferently and disagree about things. What you really won't achieve here is to get everyone to agree with your opinions, I'm sorry about that. I gave up long ago trying to have any kind of pro Damon opinion here without it being jumped on or moved to another thread where it could be attacked en mass, so I just read occasionally. My opinions haven't changed, and I doubt yours have either, it was never my intent to change opinions. About the tumblr post- I will always think that poking fun about serious issues such as rape, over and over, is in very bad taste period! I doubt real victims would appreciate it being used as weapon to verbally bash a fictional character in the guise of a sarcastic/humorous blog, but since the target is Damon, I guess it makes that ok here, despite it being in the main thread. Perhaps it would be better in an anti thread, where unsuspecting readers are less likely to click on something so offensive or controversial. If it I found it classless and in bad taste, I am sure others will too, and that can't be good for a site in general that promotes inclusiveness for all fans. The lack of posts here in an episode thread may be a clue that whilst some people agree with you all, many don't. damonsgirl, I really don't know what you're talking about when you say your posts have been moved and you have been attacked about your pro-damon posts. Actualy, I try my best to talk to our Damon fans about other things in the show, but I won't talk to them about Damon because, exactly, I don't want to attack their opinions (and I know I tried to do that with you too). There are places in this forum where Stefan and Damon won't be attacked (that's why we have so many of threads). You can always post very pro-damon things in the damon thread and I can garantee you that no one is going to attack you, I just won't be there talking to you about it because I don't agree with it. About raping being a very serious issue, I couldn't agree more. But I personaly think that very serious things should be talked and discussed and somethings should be made fun of, that's when you can change the world for a better place. Have you heard about "Je suis Charlie" message recently? I think the message in TVD is much worse because the writers ignore these serious issues and act like it is a perfectly normal thing and the girls should just shut up about it and come to like the person who did that. If you were around at the time (and If you look around for older recap posts), you would know that, the first times I posted these recaps, I used to write that they weren't meant to bash any characters, just to be fun. After 5 or 6 times, I thought that people knew my intentions already and I didn't have to do it anymore. Aparentely, I was wrong so I can start doing it again. It's funy that you talk about the lack of posts here in an episode thread, because we don't lack posts in many other threads (even about other shows) and we don't lack posts in all our forum in general. That makes me see that many people agree with me, some don't. And, it's a clue that many people know the show isn't worth watching and the episodes aren't worth discussing, right now (the ratings speak for itself). Anyway, I welcome you and your opinions here (even though I don't agree with them) ...
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Post by demetra on Jan 25, 2015 13:46:35 GMT -5
I would just like to point out that we moved into Mercury Retrograde in the past couple of days. Normally I would give this no credence BUT I found myself in a foul mood on Friday morning -- for no reason -- and in every area of my life, folks have been picking fights with each other. I'm no one to talk but literally any time and every time the word rape comes up in this forum, we all go ballistic. It is very sensitive. I apologize for breezing over it in the recap.
I am interested in having a conversation about Damon. I do notice that the pro-Damon threads are not heavily populated. If you can make a good case for his motivations without Stefan-bashing, I'm very interested. I reserve Stefan-bashing for other Stefan lovers, a version of keeping it all in the family.
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Post by crimmyj on Jan 25, 2015 13:49:22 GMT -5
damonsgirl, you may not like it but many people do. Actually, many people enjoy these recaps more than they enjoy the show, right now... If you want to share some recaps that make Damon look good and Stefan look bad, feel free to do it. I won't read it, because I know I won't like it, but I won't say it's boring or tasteless... Fortunately, people can see things differently, enjoy characters diferently and disagree about things. What you really won't achieve here is to get everyone to agree with your opinions, I'm sorry about that. I gave up long ago trying to have any kind of pro Damon opinion here without it being jumped on or moved to another thread where it could be attacked en mass, so I just read occasionally. My opinions haven't changed, and I doubt yours have either, it was never my intent to change opinions. About the tumblr post- I will always think that poking fun about serious issues such as rape, over and over, is in very bad taste period! I doubt real victims would appreciate it being used as weapon to verbally bash a fictional character in the guise of a sarcastic/humorous blog, but since the target is Damon, I guess it makes that ok here, despite it being in the main thread. Perhaps it would be better in an anti thread, where unsuspecting readers are less likely to click on something so offensive or controversial. If it I found it classless and in bad taste, I am sure others will too, and that can't be good for a site in general that promotes inclusiveness for all fans. The lack of posts here in an episode thread may be a clue that whilst some people agree with you all, many don't. For me personally what is FAR MORE offensive is how the writers on the show completely disregard sexual assault. As a real victim, I find it toxic and disgusting. The tumblr in question is bringing to light the fact that the writers chose to consistently ignore that fact. What the writers do is far more egregious, harmful, and distasteful than a single blogger in a little corner of the internet.
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Post by demetra on Jan 25, 2015 13:49:35 GMT -5
I would also like to add that Paul's opening shot of Damon sleeping was one of the prettiest shots of Damon allowed so far in TVD. I just wish he would allow us to dwell on his own magnificence once in a while, too.
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Post by crimmyj on Jan 25, 2015 13:53:09 GMT -5
I enjoy the recaps from both sources. Yes, 95% of any week's recap could be very stupid. However, there is always one that cracks me up. This time it is the exchanges about Stefan and Matt. I laughed out loud -- Not Matt? And then later Stefan's tears. LOL. Stop trying to make Mafan happen cracked me up. Also the bits about Jeremy. Oh look he has finally done something useful this season.
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Post by crimmyj on Jan 25, 2015 13:56:58 GMT -5
This episode really highlighted for me that this show is weaker without Bonnie. I need a fierce Bonnie back and fast!
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Post by tara on Jan 25, 2015 14:34:26 GMT -5
damonsgirl I'm sorry you feel that way. I've noticed the lack of TVD discussions isn't something that just occurs on this board. A lot of people have moved on, I see it on multiple sites. Even though some of us have quit TVD, we've found other shows/movies and interests to discuss. Even though I quit watching a while ago, I'll always be thankful to TVD for bringing me to this family. As weird as it may sound, that's what this has become for me.
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Post by napoli on Jan 25, 2015 14:48:20 GMT -5
I gave up long ago trying to have any kind of pro Damon opinion here without it being jumped on or moved to another thread where it could be attacked en mass, so I just read occasionally. My opinions haven't changed, and I doubt yours have either, it was never my intent to change opinions. About the tumblr post- I will always think that poking fun about serious issues such as rape, over and over, is in very bad taste period! I doubt real victims would appreciate it being used as weapon to verbally bash a fictional character in the guise of a sarcastic/humorous blog, but since the target is Damon, I guess it makes that ok here, despite it being in the main thread. Perhaps it would be better in an anti thread, where unsuspecting readers are less likely to click on something so offensive or controversial. If it I found it classless and in bad taste, I am sure others will too, and that can't be good for a site in general that promotes inclusiveness for all fans. The lack of posts here in an episode thread may be a clue that whilst some people agree with you all, many don't. For me personally what is FAR MORE offensive is how the writers on the show completely disregard sexual assault. As a real victim, I find it toxic and disgusting. The tumblr in question is bringing to light the fact that the writers chose to consistently ignore that fact. What the writers do is far more egregious, harmful, and distasteful than a single blogger in a little corner of the internet. Absolutely! This is why it is so important to continue to draw attention to that horrible story line. Rape can be a legitimate topic to explore in story lines but when it isn't done properly then it becomes offensive.
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Post by shoe20 on Jan 25, 2015 15:48:11 GMT -5
Hey.... Great Job with the material given, Paul... The tempo, cinematography, and performances were very well done ..... all that's lacking is a script. lolol Paul really has a flare for directing, but even a director needs a script. First there are just too many things the writers want us to swallow, that don't jive with the rest of the series.... 1. Elena takes the time to call Damon for help? Just run out the door.... Do none of our vamp have vamp speed anymore? 2. How can Damon just watch Kai walk by to plop his can in the recycle bin..... Whack him dude. 3. We can't kill Kia because why? The wonder twins have to merge, Yet Damon's hot to pitch a broken mop handle in his chest...How did that work out. lol 4. Said mop handle to the chest make Elena feel safe around the guy that killed her brother and she want's to take him to dinner, because every time he gives her a brush with death "she feels alive".... Tip Elena "Don't take the Blue car to the Mystic Grill" lolol 5. Two Vamps, even invisible can't handle Kia, but two humans it's no problem? ?? 6. Enzo has a problem with Stefan because he's keeping secrets from his brother.....but leaving him to burn and killing his girl don't bother him at all..... That makes a lot of sense. 7. The only way to force Stefan and Caroline together, is to kill Liz with cancer..... OMG, that's worst than the SB. Second are all the plot holes and dangling threads that just keep stacking up up. 1. Bonnie.... Bonnie who? lol The only character that mentioned her name this ep was Kia looking at a cheer leading pic. Has Elena given up on finding her best friend? I thought that was priority one. 2. How's med school going Elena? and Liam's compulsion didn't go away? 3. Where's the rest of the coven to get Kia under control? Once he was so dangerous he had to be sent to purgatory, but how he's escaped and it's "OH Well"? I've got a new favorite on TVD.......Liv..... who knew?..... Thank You, Paul Wesley.....
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Post by demetra on Jan 25, 2015 16:26:31 GMT -5
Great post, shoe20, both astute and entertaining!
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