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Post by Ruby on Dec 4, 2014 19:55:48 GMT -5
THIS IS A DEBATES AREA THREAD PLEASE READ BELOW lets come together to share our thoughts about tonight's episode! =) All TVD Fans Welcomed including Exclusive Ship fans lol Lets discuss: What did you Like? What you did not like? What was your favorite scene/quote? What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard? ONLY RULES* When replying to someone's response please BE POLITE AND AVOID BEING RUDE TO SOMEONE'S OPINION. =) You can nicely state why you might disagree without saying "well you're wrong" or "I dont like your opinion" Lets stick to the episode topic xoxo  |
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Post by katvolley13 on Dec 4, 2014 23:19:12 GMT -5
I just got done watching this episode. What I liked was all of the bamon goodness they really are saying good bye to delena and hello to bamon. I liked all the gemini coven stuff. I loved stefen explaining how he is the hero by keeping track of his relative. I liked tyler getting all protective tyler appearing to go along with kai only to not be going along is too predictable its been done several times lol. Bonnie at the end tragic she is going to go dark. What I did not like!!!!  First caroline has lost her mind now matt aaahh . I am hearing rumors steroline is for sure happening I think because bamon is for sure they may be using steroline to make de feel not as angry I swear whatever. That would be interestin having noone dating or caring about elena ha ha. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards |
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Post by Kiki on Dec 5, 2014 0:14:37 GMT -5
What I liked: Elena finally realizing that everything good Damon does is just to get into her bed. Ok, this might be the rare only time he really did it for Bonnie but not without thinking about Elena for sure. And Elena realized that Damon does EVERYTHING to get what he wants and compelling his best friend is not the worst he did. I think there is still hope she might remember that he tried to kill Jeremy when Katlena broke up with him I liked that Stefan took care of the real Sarah Salvatore. It felt strange he just left Zack's love dead in the hospital without ever asking about the baby. Good to know he didn't. I LOVED all the Bamon stuff. Although I still feel a little bad if Bonnie who always did the right thing and always puts her friends first falls for this selfish maniac... but it looked good Once you put away all the Delena and Steroline drama and focus on the storyline this whole Gemini story turns out to be really interesting and has me guessing and excited. I really hope this keeps going strong. What I didn't like: Matt and Stefan's friendship breaking. I read all the books and I loved that Matt was Stefan's best friend in the books. I was hoping to have the same on the show but... oh well... maybe Matt will realize that Stefan is a good guy If they want to make Steroline happen this is not the right way. If Stefan needs everyone around him to convince him that he has to love her this love can never be epic. Epic would be love at first sight or at least him realizing that he loves her just after she told him how she feels. But now?? If he has to think about it for weeks and only gives in because he would lose her as a friend ... that's not the right way. So Sarah-Monike is gone already? So much about guessing her purpose. But oh well... maybe they will go on with that story if the real Sarah turns up. Maybe Enzo will find her What I didn't like most is that Stefan's storyline is so sidelined. He is not a main character anymore. He is just like Matt or Jeremy or Tyler. I hope they will get his storyline going soon. Or maybe this is just the writers preparing for Paul Wesley leaving the show. Who knows... All I know is I want more Stefan again katvolley13 I don't think they are ending Delena yet. Elena seemed to still fall for him before they were pulled back into present day. But it's interesting to see that the real Elena shows up sometimes. It's like Elena and Vamplena are fighting inside. It can turn out both ways. She either falls for him again and goes back into addiction or she recognizes that all the good things he did were just to get into her bed and that she lost everything that made her special when she forgave him all the bad things he did. |
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Post by aliensoul13 on Dec 5, 2014 0:35:29 GMT -5
I gave this episode a 3. What did you Like?
- That it was a con, because I didn't see it coming. - Alaric punching Damon for doing what he did (the first punch was done horribly. There wasn't that good punching sound you hear in movies and it didn't look very real. The 2nd one had a much better sound to it. Sorry, I just like a good punch.) - Matt deciding that vampires suck. - Jeremy's reaction at the beginning and at the end; expecting for things to go badly, his "Let me guess she's not with you?" and "I bet Damon's fine, isn't he?" - Enzo being called out for being a dick. - Jo quickly realizing that Rick was compelled. - Kai and Liv's scene at the bar. - Bonnie's breakdown was sad.  What you did not like?- How Paul Wesley's acting seems so off. - DE scenes. I try not to, but I just get mad or roll my eyes watching them. Particularly the part where Damon 'explained' what happened in 1994 and called murdering a pregnant lady and an entire household 'dying.' - Damon cheering for Steroline I don't know, something was missing... I wasn't on the edge of my seat, I didn't feel that emotionally connected to anyone (but Bonnie at the end). So 3 at best for right now. |
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Post by katvolley13 on Dec 5, 2014 0:39:16 GMT -5
What I liked: Elena finally realizing that everything good Damon does is just to get into her bed. Ok, this might be the rare only time he really did it for Bonnie but not without thinking about Elena for sure. And Elena realized that Damon does EVERYTHING to get what he wants and compelling his best friend is not the worst he did. I think there is still hope she might remember that he tried to kill Jeremy when Katlena broke up with him I liked that Stefan took care of the real Sarah Salvatore. It felt strange he just left Zack's love dead in the hospital without ever asking about the baby. Good to know he didn't. I LOVED all the Bamon stuff. Although I still feel a little bad if Bonnie who always did the right thing and always puts her friends first falls for this selfish maniac... but it looked good Once you put away all the Delena and Steroline drama and focus on the storyline this whole Gemini story turns out to be really interesting and has me guessing and excited. I really hope this keeps going strong. What I didn't like: Matt and Stefan's friendship breaking. I read all the books and I loved that Matt was Stefan's best friend in the books. I was hoping to have the same on the show but... oh well... maybe Matt will realize that Stefan is a good guy If they want to make Steroline happen this is not the right way. If Stefan needs everyone around him to convince him that he has to love her this love can never be epic. Epic would be love at first sight or at least him realizing that he loves her just after she told him how she feels. But now?? If he has to think about it for weeks and only gives in because he would lose her as a friend ... that's not the right way. So Sarah-Monike is gone already? So much about guessing her purpose. But oh well... maybe they will go on with that story if the real Sarah turns up. Maybe Enzo will find her What I didn't like most is that Stefan's storyline is so sidelined. He is not a main character anymore. He is just like Matt or Jeremy or Tyler. I hope they will get his storyline going soon. Or maybe this is just the writers preparing for Paul Wesley leaving the show. Who knows... All I know is I want more Stefan again katvolley13 I don't think they are ending Delena yet. Elena seemed to still fall for him before they were pulled back into present day. But it's interesting to see that the real Elena shows up sometimes. It's like Elena and Vamplena are fighting inside. It can turn out both ways. She either falls for him again and goes back into addiction or she recognizes that all the good things he did were just to get into her bed and that she lost everything that made her special when she forgave him all the bad things he did. I think they are ending them. What I think they do is throw in a little de goodness to keep de happy (hmm sound familiar I wonder why) but ultimately they are slowly moving away from them as a couple. Now next episode is dries who wants to ship paul off to the originals so who knows what this will do to my theory. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards |
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Post by crimmyj on Dec 5, 2014 0:56:22 GMT -5
I gave this episode a 3. What did you Like?
- That it was a con, because I didn't see it coming. - Alaric punching Damon for doing what he did (the first punch was done horribly. There wasn't that good punching sound you hear in movies and it didn't look very real. The 2nd one had a much better sound to it. Sorry, I just like a good punch.) - Matt deciding that vampires suck. - Jeremy's reaction at the beginning and at the end; expecting for things to go badly, his "Let me guess she's not with you?" and "I bet Damon's fine, isn't he?" - Enzo being called out for being a dick. - Jo quickly realizing that Rick was compelled. - Kai and Liv's scene at the bar. - Bonnie's breakdown was sad. What you did not like?- How Paul Wesley's acting seems so off. - DE scenes. I try not to, but I just get mad or roll my eyes watching them. Particularly the part where Damon 'explained' what happened in 1994 and called murdering a pregnant lady and an entire household 'dying.' - Damon cheering for Steroline I don't know, something was missing... I wasn't on the edge of my seat, I didn't feel that emotionally connected to anyone (but Bonnie at the end). So 3 at best for right now. I am so ditto with most of this. I will defend Paul's acting in that the writers really aren't giving him anything to work with. plus we all have to realize that the Stefan we loved from the first seasons is gone, losing Elena, locked in the safe...that forever changed him. He is still a hero, but he is lost and he is a depressed Stefan, not a happy Stefan. Enzo was pissing me off so effing hard this episode. Yes, Stefan has skeletons in his closet, but the Sarah thing isn't one of them and you killing that girl to try to prove a point made you look like an even bigger d*ck than normal. But it is the role he has to play now, he gets to be "season 1 Damon" since the gradual neutering of Damon in order to be with Elena...even though it is clear that the only person who actually causes him to want to change for the better is Bonnie. Poor, poor Bonnie...when Bonnie gets backs I want her to go all Firestarter/Carrie and have her lay waste to Mystic Falls. *and scene* I actually applauded at everything Jeremy said. Go on with your bad self Jeremy. I miss teamwork towards a common goal/purpose ...the group is still splintered off with varying storylines. Does Caroline even matter to the story beyond her ladypain for Stefan? |
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Post by katvolley13 on Dec 5, 2014 1:06:14 GMT -5
I gave this episode a 3. What did you Like?
- That it was a con, because I didn't see it coming. - Alaric punching Damon for doing what he did (the first punch was done horribly. There wasn't that good punching sound you hear in movies and it didn't look very real. The 2nd one had a much better sound to it. Sorry, I just like a good punch.) - Matt deciding that vampires suck. - Jeremy's reaction at the beginning and at the end; expecting for things to go badly, his "Let me guess she's not with you?" and "I bet Damon's fine, isn't he?" - Enzo being called out for being a dick. - Jo quickly realizing that Rick was compelled. - Kai and Liv's scene at the bar. - Bonnie's breakdown was sad. What you did not like?- How Paul Wesley's acting seems so off. - DE scenes. I try not to, but I just get mad or roll my eyes watching them. Particularly the part where Damon 'explained' what happened in 1994 and called murdering a pregnant lady and an entire household 'dying.' - Damon cheering for Steroline I don't know, something was missing... I wasn't on the edge of my seat, I didn't feel that emotionally connected to anyone (but Bonnie at the end). So 3 at best for right now. I am so ditto with most of this. I will defend Paul's acting in that the writers really aren't giving him anything to work with. plus we all have to realize that the Stefan we loved from the first seasons is gone, losing Elena, locked in the safe...that forever changed him. He is still a hero, but he is lost and he is a depressed Stefan, not a happy Stefan. Enzo was pissing me off so effing hard this episode. Yes, Stefan has skeletons in his closet, but the Sarah thing isn't one of them and you killing that girl to try to prove a point made you look like an even bigger d*ck than normal. But it is the role he has to play now, he gets to be "season 1 Damon" since the gradual neutering of Damon in order to be with Elena...even though it is clear that the only person who actually causes him to want to change for the better is Bonnie. Poor, poor Bonnie...when Bonnie gets backs I want her to go all Firestarter/Carrie and have her lay waste to Mystic Falls. *and scene* I actually applauded at everything Jeremy said. Go on with your bad self Jeremy. I miss teamwork towards a common goal/purpose ...the group is still splintered off with varying storylines. Does Caroline even matter to the story beyond her ladypain for Stefan? Yes when I was rewatching season 1 and 2 that has been whats changed. Getting together "were going to kill katherine" oh that failed " we are going to kill klaus" and we were on the edge of our seats because that was the main story with little ship story here and there. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 11:34:40 GMT -5
OMFG I really liked this episode .... 5/5 points AGAIN!!!! I love the actor who is playing Mordekai, he is really great, I don't love the character though  Here is the next surprise....my fav character since quite a few episodes is rapidly becoming Damon due to the Damon/Bonnie SL Idk really, fact is I enjoy the screentime with Damon alot! My other favs of course are Jer and Ty. Glad that Jer pulled himself together and worked out his problems, he might do well after all, with or without Bon. I knew that something wasn't right with that Sara and not to trust her. But killing her SERIOUSLY Enzo is a pain in the a***, he is highly irritating me, he has to die next, he doesn't add to fun SL like last season, though he adds to the SL in general of course, not that he is a very amusing person anyway. And I just don't understand his hatred for Stef!!! What is he? The morality police! I don't think so Elena ... no comment What is wrong with PW, his acting or storywriting is so cool and uninterested almost unempathic this season, although I enjoy the brother scenes with him and Damon very much. This season I am very irritated with Matt and Caro btw! Fav quotes: Liv to Ty: Do I look like Rapunzel And Ty's reaction, lol, well as a matter of factish...hahaha!!! Liv to Ty: ... and if I die...you can hang with Luke There were some very good oneliners for Stef and Damon too, but I can't puzzle them together right now. Those were my first impressions. Cheers! |
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Post by demetra on Dec 5, 2014 11:55:34 GMT -5
That episode was a Super Five IMHO. Both juicy and integrated. Very tight writing. Nicely played out. Did not know WHAT choices the characters would make, very suspenseful. A lot of heart through the whole episode. Liked that Stefan's hero moment involved a very complicated choice of family over all, and even within that, he has had to produce a hierarchy of value. At some point I wonder if they are going to put him in a situation where he has to choose Elena or Sarah. Or between Jeremy and Damon. He and Matt have always been in that dynamic from the moment Vicki turned. Does Matt know that Damon turned Vicki and that Stefan killed her? Jeremy does. I also felt we were hearing various arguments previously developed on fan sites coming out of various characters' mouths. Enzo, it turns out, is the Delena vampire. His whole speech about how Stefan is such a "liar". Elena's speech to Damon about how everything he does is self-serving could have been written first by our own napoli! Then I wonder: who IS the real Sarah Salvatore? Wonder if they will ever cast the role? |
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Post by aliensoul13 on Dec 5, 2014 12:50:02 GMT -5
I gave this episode a 3. What did you Like?
- That it was a con, because I didn't see it coming. - Alaric punching Damon for doing what he did (the first punch was done horribly. There wasn't that good punching sound you hear in movies and it didn't look very real. The 2nd one had a much better sound to it. Sorry, I just like a good punch.) - Matt deciding that vampires suck. - Jeremy's reaction at the beginning and at the end; expecting for things to go badly, his "Let me guess she's not with you?" and "I bet Damon's fine, isn't he?" - Enzo being called out for being a dick. - Jo quickly realizing that Rick was compelled. - Kai and Liv's scene at the bar. - Bonnie's breakdown was sad. What you did not like?- How Paul Wesley's acting seems so off. - DE scenes. I try not to, but I just get mad or roll my eyes watching them. Particularly the part where Damon 'explained' what happened in 1994 and called murdering a pregnant lady and an entire household 'dying.' - Damon cheering for Steroline I don't know, something was missing... I wasn't on the edge of my seat, I didn't feel that emotionally connected to anyone (but Bonnie at the end). So 3 at best for right now. I am so ditto with most of this. I will defend Paul's acting in that the writers really aren't giving him anything to work with. plus we all have to realize that the Stefan we loved from the first seasons is gone, losing Elena, locked in the safe...that forever changed him. He is still a hero, but he is lost and he is a depressed Stefan, not a happy Stefan. Enzo was pissing me off so effing hard this episode. Yes, Stefan has skeletons in his closet, but the Sarah thing isn't one of them and you killing that girl to try to prove a point made you look like an even bigger d*ck than normal. But it is the role he has to play now, he gets to be "season 1 Damon" since the gradual neutering of Damon in order to be with Elena...even though it is clear that the only person who actually causes him to want to change for the better is Bonnie. Poor, poor Bonnie...when Bonnie gets backs I want her to go all Firestarter/Carrie and have her lay waste to Mystic Falls. *and scene* I actually applauded at everything Jeremy said. Go on with your bad self Jeremy. I miss teamwork towards a common goal/purpose ...the group is still splintered off with varying storylines. Does Caroline even matter to the story beyond her ladypain for Stefan? Amen to that. It's like there is Elena, Alaric, Jo and now Damon and sometimes Caroline on one side... Stefan, Enzo, Matt and sometimes Caroline on another side... There is Tyler and Liv... There is Jeremy who only ever interacts with Matt, dead Monique and once in a blue moon with his guardian or sister. Bonnie only had Damon and Kai, and now she's all alone. And it has been this way for 9 episodes straight and I don't see how it's going to change anytime soon. I just think that the writers could accomplish whatever it is they want to accomplish WHILE putting our favourite characters together (or as many of them as they can - obviously, Bonnie's still stuck.), treasuring each relationship, and not just the romantic ones. I hope I explained myself right. My brain isn't functioning that greatly after a few hours of sleep and a long day of work. XD As for Stefan - I don't blame him at all. His character lost the girl, a relationship he put his soul into, which is slowly being retconned. His storyline is at best mediocre this season while Damon is off with his girl AD his hero status. Speaking of heroes and Damon's mission; why wasn't Caroline assisting Damon and Elena with Operation Bonnie? Ah. Maybe I'll give this episode a watch later this weekend and I'll feel differently about it. |
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Post by napoli on Dec 5, 2014 12:59:24 GMT -5
What did you likeKai – he’s cute and mean and funny. Jeremy finally dealing with his grief over Bonnie. See Elena this is how healthy people function. You grieve and then you figure out how to live with loss and move on. Kai’s great multi-purpose use of headphones. Damon not changing his true self – he compels his best friend without batting an eye; he lies to Elena and Liv about how he got the ascendant; and he lies to Elena about why 1994 home was his personal hell. Wine and thai food would’ve broken me down too. Awe, Elena makes vampire pancakes too! DE must be soulmates. Having pancakes in common is more important than the fact Damon has tried to kill everyone Elena loves including her brother. Stefan taking care of the real Sara Salvatore and correctly guessing that keeping her a secret from Damon has kept her safe all of these years. And this means that with Sara the Stefan doppelganger line can continue! Elena regretting burning her house down. Sire bond. Stefan was right that someday she would want to go home. Matt giving Jeremy his cross bow and wanting help to hunt Enzo. Ric being angry at Damon for compelling him. Even though in the end it wasn’t Damon’s fault that Kai was released it still doesn’t excuse the way Damon treated Ric. Damon genuinely feeling concerned for Bonnie and acknowledging how Bonnie has sacrificed so much for everyone over and over. That no one stabbed Bonnie. I’m surprised the writers didn’t have her fall and accidentally impale herself just for fun. What didn’t you likeMs. Cuddles wasn't in this episode. Having Damon compare himself compelling Ric and the fallout from that to Stefan not reciprocating Caroline’s feelings. No TVD writers. Stefan liking Caroline romantically is no where near the same as Damon treating Ric – his supposed best friend – like his personal puppet. And then it gets worse. Damon compares Stefan to Damon’s monster self by telling him soon he’ll be lying in the middle of the road having an existential crisis. Not liking someone back is no where near the same as grappling with the guilt of enjoying murdering people which is how Damon’s existential crisis played out. Damon saying Matt wants a new social class and Elena smirking because she thinks he’s funny. Stake both of them – NOW! Damon and Enzo harping on about Stefan not liking Caroline and talking to everyone about it. Elena sniffing the bloodied pillow like she was a hound dog and her only conclusion was that this is blood. It didn’t make sense that Damon and Elena didn’t meet Bonnie half way to Muncie. Liv gave them her blood so she could track them anywhere but I guess it wouldn’t fit the plot of leaving Bonnie all alone -again. Matt comparing Stefan to Enzo. Yes, they are both vampires and if Matt doesn’t really see a difference between Stefan and Enzo then there’s something seriously wrong with Matt. I’m getting of tired of Damon always saying he feels guilty but never changing. What’s the point of feeling guilty if it doesn’t change your actions. Enzo blaming Stefan for Monique’s death because he was trying to protect the real Sara Salvatore. I guess in Enzo-land that makes sense. What was your favorite scene/quote?When Liv looked at Damon and uttered ‘Gross’. Kai: ‘Okay well I’m sorry but the real terrorist are some of those people taking off their shoes.’ Kai: ‘Liv – ironic.’ Ric: ‘He (Damon) wouldn’t do that. He’s my friend.’  Damon: ‘Boys to Men – Stefan’s’ Elena: ‘No don’t. Damon I want Bonnie back more than anything. She’s my best friend. But to you she’s something else. Isn’t she? She’s a chance to realise what a great guy you are so I can fall in love with you all over again. Doesn’t matter who gets hurt in the process. As long as Damon gets what Damon wants.’ See what happens when Elena isn’t sired to Damon. What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guardFake Sara and Enzo killing her.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Dec 5, 2014 14:24:58 GMT -5
Kai's "No Bourbon. I'm secure enough in my masculinity," had me cheering. Dude, what is with all the Bourbon?
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Post by deb on Dec 6, 2014 5:52:50 GMT -5
Ratings are a series low again: 0.7 / 1.49
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Post by demetra on Dec 6, 2014 6:19:01 GMT -5
Ratings are a series low again: 0.7 / 1.49 Well, they were opposite Peter Pan Live. Also people are shopping into December. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 8:22:21 GMT -5
Ratings are a series low again: 0.7 / 1.49 Well, they were opposite Peter Pan Live. Also people are shopping into December. Don't make any excuses for them. This season's ratings have been an all time low. And it's not going to get any better. They might make it to a seventh season, but beyond that -- who knows? |
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Well if you do somehow get a chance to watch it later, let me know what you think. 
