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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 10, 2014 16:26:43 GMT -5
Oh really... Okay, that makes me feel a little better about the season 3 finale drowning scene. Elena didn't seem to mind jumping into the water a few episodes ago but I was okay how 3x22 played out. Yeah, lol, do you think they remember little details like that? That's good. I've never been okay with it. Stefan has super strength and Elena barely weighs anything. He should have been more than able to save them both. But I ignore these mistakes, there's nothing else to do about it.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 10, 2014 16:35:25 GMT -5
and again *high five* for the Angel season 2 Epiphany reference. "If there's no great glorious end to all this, if ... nothing we do matters ... then all that matters is what we do. 'Cause that's all there is. What we do. Now. Today." and my fav... "Man, atonement's a b***." That is my favorite quote EVER. Ever. It's amazing, but it's even more dear to me because a few years ago I was having a hard time IRL and pondered all kinds of things, but then I came to the conclusion that if nothing mattered, then people had the power to make anything matter. Then later that VERY afternoon I watched this episode of Angel for the first time (I had seen most of Angel 3-5 before, but little of s1 and s2) and heard this. I was like "Okay wuuuuuut."
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 10, 2014 16:48:32 GMT -5
Elena didn't seem to mind jumping into the water a few episodes ago but I was okay how 3x22 played out. Yeah, lol, do you think they remember little details like that? That's good. I've never been okay with it. Stefan has super strength and Elena barely weighs anything. He should have been more than able to save them both. But I ignore these mistakes, there's nothing else to do about it. Her weight wouldn't have anything to do with it considering bouyancy. physics are at play here, not physique. There are several factors that make that difficult, unless he is Clark Kent and can lift the entire car containing both of them out of the water, car included. But Mystic Falls vampires don't seem to quite have Superman's strength. There is a reason why there isn't a high survival rate of people trapped in submerged cars and it isn't about strength.
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 10, 2014 16:49:17 GMT -5
and again *high five* for the Angel season 2 Epiphany reference. "If there's no great glorious end to all this, if ... nothing we do matters ... then all that matters is what we do. 'Cause that's all there is. What we do. Now. Today." and my fav... "Man, atonement's a b***." That is my favorite quote EVER. Ever. It's amazing, but it's even more dear to me because a few years ago I was having a hard time IRL and pondered all kinds of things, but then I came to the conclusion that if nothing mattered, then people had the power to make anything matter. Then later that VERY afternoon I watched this episode of Angel for the first time (I had seen most of Angel 3-5 before, but little of s1 and s2) and heard this. I was like "Okay wuuuuuut." The whole scene for your viewing pleasure! (and everyone else's!)
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Post by napoli on Nov 10, 2014 17:14:06 GMT -5
Elena didn't seem to mind jumping into the water a few episodes ago but I was okay how 3x22 played out. Yeah, lol, do you think they remember little details like that? That's good. I've never been okay with it. Stefan has super strength and Elena barely weighs anything. He should have been more than able to save them both. But I ignore these mistakes, there's nothing else to do about it. I suppose it didn't bother me that he didn't save her and she died because it was still a beautiful moment between SE and a beautiful moment for Elena even if she died. All s2 Elena was playing a martyr willing to sacrifice herself to save her loved ones but she learned (with Stefan's help) to fight for herself. Deep down though Elena would still sacrifice herself to save her loved ones and that came to fruition in 3x22. I know you guys are discussing the actual logistics of Stefan not being able to save Elena but I look past it because Elena had to die. Elena's sacrifice for Matt was the ultimate act as a hero. The theme of free will and choice continually runs through TVD and Stefan respecting Elena's choice was paramount to saving her. It sounds almost perverse to say it but if he had saved her first and then let Matt die instead then SE would have been over because the foundation of their relationship would have been violated by Stefan. Even now with Elena still in DE land SE still aren't over. Their foundation was never destroyed. JP gave an interview and she described Stefan respecting Elena's choice and saving Matt first similar to saving a child at the request of and instead of the child's mother. Stefan had to respect Elena's choice to save Matt first thus keeping the SE relationship pure and let Elena die thus cementing Elena as a true hero. Of course some of the disenchantment with the story line is the dark path Elena has taken since becoming a vamp. She is no longer a hero. She no longer champions others and free will and choice are no longer paramount particularly in the DE relationship. The writers describe DE as toxic, consuming, codependent and controlling yet they show no consequences to this unhealthy path versus continually dumping on Stefan when he has conquered his demons and chooses goodness over evil. Remember his 'what's the point of being good' speech. Although I believe the point of being good should be it's own reward it makes for a frustrating story line to watch. There is satisfaction in watching karma being served when it rarely happens in reality.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 10, 2014 17:36:46 GMT -5
Yeah, lol, do you think they remember little details like that? That's good. I've never been okay with it. Stefan has super strength and Elena barely weighs anything. He should have been more than able to save them both. But I ignore these mistakes, there's nothing else to do about it. I suppose it didn't bother me that he didn't save her and she died because it was still a beautiful moment between SE and a beautiful moment for Elena even if she died. Oh I love that scene, too. Everything from the acting to the imagery and the music. It's just when I think about it that I think 'why couldn't you have saved them both?' And I'm not nearly as bothered by it as I may seem. It's just like @dman24 said. This is a place to rant and sometimes we exaggerate. XD And what crimmyj said sounds reasonable. I'll look into it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 18:41:08 GMT -5
Here's the rehash for episode this episode. Hmm... I wonder where Ivy went?
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Post by tvernay on Nov 11, 2014 23:37:32 GMT -5
Hi! Crimmy! I was wondering the same thing! How the freakin heck is Elena still compelled? Like: hero Stefan. human Alaric. Damon's phone call to Bonnie. Didn't like: whiny Damon with manpain. more crapping on Stefan by some characters. NO BONNIE! lack of moving other storylines forward for the sake of focusing on relationships, felt like a complete waste of exposition. Honestly I could go on for awhile, but I would rather kick rocks. Rick no longer a vampire, what does that do to the compulsion rules? I would think that would mean the compulsion would be gone ("dead" vampire = no more compulsion) but apparently the new rule is ...vampire turns human then compulsion still in effect because that makes all the sense that is not? writers you totally suck at this. Whatever, we have to set up this epic DE finding each other again or something.
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 12, 2014 1:22:02 GMT -5
Hi! Crimmy! I was wondering the same thing! How the freakin heck is Elena still compelled? Like: hero Stefan. human Alaric. Damon's phone call to Bonnie. Didn't like: whiny Damon with manpain. more crapping on Stefan by some characters. NO BONNIE! lack of moving other storylines forward for the sake of focusing on relationships, felt like a complete waste of exposition. Honestly I could go on for awhile, but I would rather kick rocks. Rick no longer a vampire, what does that do to the compulsion rules? I would think that would mean the compulsion would be gone ("dead" vampire = no more compulsion) but apparently the new rule is ...vampire turns human then compulsion still in effect because that makes all the sense that is not? writers you totally suck at this. Whatever, we have to set up this epic DE finding each other again or something. I realized the answer to this the other day... the writers don't actually watch the show OR they have ceased giving a sh*t about mythology. Probably a little of both. And *happy dance* so nice to see you posting tvernay! Hi!
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 12, 2014 20:02:45 GMT -5
Hi! Crimmy! I was wondering the same thing! How the freakin heck is Elena still compelled?
Oh sure, slip in post a line and scoot...... Ya gotta stay longer than that "T" lol
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