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Post by deb on Nov 3, 2014 7:23:33 GMT -5
Ding, Ding, Ding.... give the girl a cigar..... Your typed the answer to your question......Damon's Ace in the hole... LOW EXPECTATIONS .... how many times has Damon told us he doesn't want to be good because everyone will expect that from him.... I remember several...so do you..... Conversly, Stefan is suffering from "HIGH EXPECTATIONS", because he always tries to do the right thing, even if it rips him apart. That's how Damon get's a pass killing pregnant women, killing Jeremy over and over, killing innocent people that had nothing to do with the experiments or his torture....... It's just Damon being Damon.... or Damon Logic.... He wants people to accept him as a monster, because he has nothing to live up to. It's genius if you thing about it. Like @dman24 said "wake me when he kills two pregnant women" Damon really didn't like curbing his behavior to "keep the girl", but his overriding need to ease his "man-pain" to be loved ... kicked in.... The only flicker of hope I saw for Damon's character in S5 was the fact he saw what his consuming love was doing to Elena, and started the "Toxic Love" dialogue..... I still haven't seen a flicker of hope in Damon's character since s2 and his existential crisis. The scene with Bamon and Defan were both powerful but as deb said with Defan it really wasn't any change on Damon's side because it was only Stefan who was suffering without his brother. With Bamon we didn't see a better behaved Damon because there was literally no one there for him to kill. I know I'm going to sound like a broken record but there is no Damon redemption story line yet. Let's see how Damon reacts when he realises that Elena has moved on even if she did it artificially. I've seen some comments about Liam being the new Aaron for Damon... This could be a powerful paralel, showing us that the new Elena is different now and wouldn't forgive Damon for killing a friend of hers, as easily as before...
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 3, 2014 8:05:10 GMT -5
I didn't really dislike this episode but I didn't like it either... I mean, it's boring if I compare it to the episodes in season 01, 02 and 03 but it wasn't too bad if you compare it to the episodes in season 4, 5 and 6. Elena - I really love this Elena. I don't care if she loves Stefan or Liam or whoever she loves, but she's kind and she's selfless and she cares, she was trying to save everyone... I couldn't disagree more when some people say that this isn't the real Elena, that the real Elena wouldn't let Damon go, just like this, and kiss another guy just like this but, THIS is the real Elena, the one who isn't defined by the man she's with, like she was before. I also loved the "I want a hero" comment because, for me, that's Stefan, the vampire with the HERO hair, the one who always did everything to save everyones lifes. Damon did a few heroic things but he's not a hero, IMO. Stefan - Stefan is hurt, he was just trying to move on but he couldn't without his brother... The Defan scene was good because Paul did a great work but I'm not a big fan of Defan because I always felt it was one sided and I felt that again in this scene.Damon wasn't as happy to see Stefan and he was too see Damon. Besides, I feel like Elena will always be the main reason why Damon came back, not Stefan... Anyway, I understand the Alaric/Stefan scene was necessary for the last Defan scene but Alaric should just shut up. He keeps blaming Stefan but what did he really do to get Damon (his "best friend"... I won't even go there...) back?!? Stefan actually spent some months looking untill he gave up hope, Alaric just sent Stefan some leads, he never actually followed those leads!!! Damon - I really liked the Damon/Bonnie scenes and I'm sad it's all over now. They have chemistry. Bonnie is the best and my favourite female character, by far, this season... I almost cried with her when she stayed behind, that's a real heroine and I wish she had better writers, who could actually give her all the good things she deserves. Liv and Tyler - I don't like Liv, there's something in her facial expression that never changes, either she's happy or sad... But, the scene where she killed that guy for Tyler was epic... It proved to me that the writers can still write some epic love scenes. Caroline - Poor Caroline, she misses Stefan and she finally explained why she wanted Damon back so bad (after everything he did to her, in season 1, I couldn't really understand that, but now I do, it all comes down to Stefan). Please, no romantic Steroline, Stefan couldn't care less if she's in a towel or with nothing on. Don't ruin there friendship, pelase.... In fact deb damon said to elena thats not me elena thats stefen lol Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
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Post by jennifer on Nov 3, 2014 15:08:29 GMT -5
Well stated jennifer ..... I'll sign on to that version, although I still think Alaric went overboard considering how much he really did to find out where Damon was..... Enz-hole on the other hand could be a Tripp vamp-ka-bob and I wouldn't shed a tear. On a personal note ..... Tks for the great B-day gifs and message... Scorpio, Scorpion...lol I've knocked em out of my boots too......... Just what I'd expect from a Texas girl. ) I Just talked to lynne a minute ago and she'll be posting this week, yes a sworn "blood oath". She's on her way home from a trip, today.... )) One down..... I know tvernay is having computer issues, but once they're resolved, I'll push a little (gently of course, You know how tactful I can be.) Are you watching "Downton Abbey" PM me. moshe12 needs some company on the thread. thanks shoe20. I agree Alaric went too far. Seems like he saved up his grievances for an explosion. Scorpions in Texas? They must be here somewhere! The sum total I've seen is one, lol. Now Scorpios....had a few more interactions with these folks. Life is on your terms, shoe20. You're unafraid to mix it up and pursue an agenda (doesn't sound like you ). Scorpios hone in on what's essential, are intensely curious, want to know about other/take an interest and are competitive. Scorpios are emotional, but still waters run deep; have good intuition. I'm totally taking this from a website called astrology.com so take it with a grain of salt if you want!! I'm a believer, to a point. OK, enough off-topic chatter....hope you have luck with lynne et. al. Thanks for encouraging.
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Post by jennifer on Nov 3, 2014 15:25:40 GMT -5
The part I can't understand about all the hate Stefan is getting from Alaric and Caroline is that it's not proportional to what Stefan's doing. Damon killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy (again) because Elena broke up with him but the response from the other characters (including Stefan) is 'oh, well that's just Damon'. Stefan hasn't killed anyone because of his grief but he just wants to be left alone. He doesn't need Alaric or Caroline's permission to start a new life. He owes them nothing! Stefan lied to them. He lied. Should he have lied to them? No, but their reactions are more severe than anything leveled at Damon when he killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy. Stefan didn't kill. We all know that Caroline and Enzo are going to be back to flirting as soon as he's back and Enzo is a psycho murderer but yet Caroline can't back off of Stefan because she's the one who unfairly expects more of him. Again, he owes her nothing. Stefan just lost the last person (the other being Lexi) who he has spent his whole life (and afterlife) with. He's not reacting in the healthiest manner but he's not hurting anyone so it's none of their business. As far as I'm concerned the only mistake Stefan made was to keep answering Alaric's phone calls. Stefan should have ignored him just like he was ignoring Caroline's calls. Things like this is why I don't give the writers the benefit of the doubt, or trust their judgment or that they know what they're doing. I get the feeling they simply got carried away with the whole idea of pushing Stefan down to his lowest for that final scene in the crypt that they had everyone scold him and point out the obvious to make sure we got it (we got it, k?). Additionally... I think the Dalaric fanbase's shouts has gotten to their heads and they wanted to throw them a bone. Hey, I love Dalaric, too. I just don't want it to be forced. Like it was here... In fact, I felt Alaric was so unfair and OOC in that scene, I wanted to punch him. Both times I watched. And I've never felt that way about him, lol. I was more upset when Alaric highjacked Jeremy's grief to start talking about his own. He made a good point in the end, that you have to keep going whether you want to or not, but he didn't acknowledge Jeremy's suffering over Bonnie. Alaric made it into a grief contest, which Jeremy would win anyway, so it's pointless. Alaric has a lot of resentment built up and he's taking it out on others right now. That's how I read the scene with Stefan anyway. Alaric veered off into how unfair Stefan was to him and didn't acknowledge Stefan's suffering. Again he made a good point (imo) that Stefan wasn't going about things the right way, but Alaric was thinking only about himself & losing Damon rather than Stefan's losses. It's more about Alaric's situation as a newbie vamp with lots of unresolved issues than poor writing imo. He's not the same character who died. He's going to have to get a handle on his mood swings and anger. Hopefully he won't just become a plot device because of his enhanced vampire skills.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 3, 2014 15:45:22 GMT -5
Things like this is why I don't give the writers the benefit of the doubt, or trust their judgment or that they know what they're doing. I get the feeling they simply got carried away with the whole idea of pushing Stefan down to his lowest for that final scene in the crypt that they had everyone scold him and point out the obvious to make sure we got it (we got it, k?). Additionally... I think the Dalaric fanbase's shouts has gotten to their heads and they wanted to throw them a bone. Hey, I love Dalaric, too. I just don't want it to be forced. Like it was here... In fact, I felt Alaric was so unfair and OOC in that scene, I wanted to punch him. Both times I watched. And I've never felt that way about him, lol. I was more upset when Alaric highjacked Jeremy's grief to start talking about his own. He made a good point in the end, that you have to keep going whether you want to or not, but he didn't acknowledge Jeremy's suffering over Bonnie. Alaric made it into a grief contest, which Jeremy would win anyway, so it's pointless. Alaric has a lot of resentment built up and he's taking it out on others right now. That's how I read the scene with Stefan anyway. Alaric veered off into how unfair Stefan was to him and didn't acknowledge Stefan's suffering. Again he made a good point (imo) that Stefan wasn't going about things the right way, but Alaric was thinking only about himself & losing Damon rather than Stefan's losses. It's more about Alaric's situation as a newbie vamp with lots of unresolved issues than poor writing imo. He's not the same character who died. He's going to have to get a handle on his mood swings and anger. Hopefully he won't just become a plot device because of his enhanced vampire skills. I hope you're right about both cases being intentional. And what bugs me about the wonderful Jer/Alaric scene is exactly what you stated. That Alaric didn't aknowledge Jer's suffering over Bonnie and turned the therapy session into a grief contest, which Jer would win anyway. So I hope you're right. I'll be willing to let it go if that were the case; intentional. After all, poor dude just came back to the land of the living after dying unfairly and haunting MF for months/years. Hell, even if it's not intentional, I can choose to view it that way. While we're at it, I'm still hoping for a more heartfelt Jer/Alaric scene. No shouting. Preferably with a hug involved. <3
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 17:59:57 GMT -5
Here's the rehash for this episode. Ivy... er... Emily Chang returns again! I sense a trend here.
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 4, 2014 3:03:32 GMT -5
So I watched the episode tonight and even though I could not help but read about it the defan part was epic. Pauls acting was fantastic the way he cried as though he found salvation was amazing . I also want to give props to writers for throwing nod to the best alcohol ever, zima. My college friends and I would wake up mix are two favorite jolly ranchers mine were apple and usually a red or grape let it sit all day then epic drink at night. So bummed when there was no more. Anyways the story at the cornmaze interesting the girl dressed as doppel ganger which story was this or will this be a new one?
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Post by deb on Nov 4, 2014 16:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 4, 2014 16:42:38 GMT -5
Those recaps are my life. Seriously. Always spot on. Dagina. DAGINA! That one kills me.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 4, 2014 16:43:24 GMT -5
Those recaps are my life. Seriously. Always spot on. Omg, I've been waiting for this.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 4, 2014 16:52:04 GMT -5
Those recaps are my life. Seriously. Always spot on. Dagina. DAGINA! That one kills me. Just for you, crimmyj. lol Ask and you shall receive..... the recap is great, even though it doesn't say "Teenwolf" anymore....(Thanks deb, keep em come'n)
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 4, 2014 16:56:15 GMT -5
Those recaps are my life. Seriously. Always spot on. Dagina. DAGINA! That one kills me. That was hilarious. Everything was. Except I don't like her calling Alaric's resurrection pointless. But it's all in good fun :3
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 4, 2014 17:00:54 GMT -5
Those recaps are my life. Seriously. Always spot on. Dagina. DAGINA! That one kills me. Just for you, crimmyj. lol Ask and you shall receive..... the recap is great, even though it doesn't say "Teenwolf" anymore....(Thanks deb, keep em come'n) haha! It suits you. That is now the image I will envision anytime you discuss Damon.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 4, 2014 17:10:51 GMT -5
Just for you, crimmyj. lol Ask and you shall receive..... the recap is great, even though it doesn't say "Teenwolf" anymore....(Thanks deb, keep em come'n) haha! It suits you. That is now the image I will envision anytime you discuss Damon. Happy to give ya a grin..... See what I get for pushing lynne to post. hahahah she started this. )) It's OK I'm a confident "hetro" I was trying to get Ruby to switch me to DE so I could post on the rant thread, but she wouldn't buy it. lololol
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 4, 2014 17:35:18 GMT -5
haha! It suits you. That is now the image I will envision anytime you discuss Damon. Happy to give ya a grin..... See what I get for pushing lynne to post. hahahah she started this. )) It's OK I'm a confident "hetro" I was trying to get Ruby to switch me to DE so I could post on the rant thread, but she wouldn't buy it. lololol Though there is something quite hilarious about seeing team Stefan right above a shirtless Damon. my humor is weird.
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