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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 9:33:22 GMT -5
Yes, how "generous" of the psychopath. Normally your average, everyday psychopaths are horrible monsters, but Kai is such a sweety pie... he only took out her spleen, and was very reassuring in the process. What a great guy ladies. This is the one you take home to mamma. Oh, please, please! Can I have him? Kai's so dreamy but alas I'm destined to be with Damon. You can have him, just don't be surprised if you wake up the next morning without a spleen. But I'm sure you'll have no problem with that since he's soooo "dreamy."
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Post by jennifer on Nov 1, 2014 9:33:32 GMT -5
Lol, Professor Bourbon. aliensoul13 that reminds me, there was a comment to boost your theory about Jo being Kai's sis. I couldn't hear the whole interaction but Alaric asked Jo how she was able to deal with all the emergencies, and she said something about med school to 'get away from my crazy family.' Kai would qualify, right? It was super nice of him to only take out her spleen. Yes, how "generous" of the psychopath. Normally your average, everyday psychopaths are horrible monsters, but Kai is such a sweety pie... he only took out her spleen, and was very reassuring in the process. What a great guy ladies. This is the one you take home to mamma. Kai's obviously a classy guy with his Zima and the long shorts and socks (boots?) combo. You don't see that every day, not even in 1994. Clean cut, can't be killed, only slightly stalkerish - grab him while you can!
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Post by jennifer on Nov 1, 2014 9:37:26 GMT -5
Yes, how "generous" of the psychopath. Normally your average, everyday psychopaths are horrible monsters, but Kai is such a sweety pie... he only took out her spleen, and was very reassuring in the process. What a great guy ladies. This is the one you take home to mamma. Oh, please, please! Can I have him? Kai's so dreamy but alas I'm destined to be with Damon. Destined for Damon...was that some voodoo gone wrong accident??
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 1, 2014 11:26:43 GMT -5
Hah! Funny as usual @shoe. We don't always agree on content, but you have a way with words, lol. The "acid rain kiss?" Sorry your ladies didn't want the most romantic moment of their lives. Not. Seriously though, "Liver"? Is that the official name now or are you funnin'?? How about Tiv or Tiver.....wow, not much you can do with Liv. Seems like everyone hates Liam (doctor guy) and Elena (she's not a prostitute @shoe ). They're just filler until Damon gets back so I'm not paying much attention. The show wanted to erase Elena's memories of Damon but not have her get back with Stefan because that would be a horrible choice at the moment, so enter Liam. Although if Elena doesn't choose to get her memories back, she may prefer Liam to both brothers, which could be a nice change. About Alaric. He's got more control than impulsive Ivy, but he's still a newbie vamp with heightened feelings. He doesn't really want to be back imo. He was blowing off steam with Stefan because he can, because Stefan is an adult despite his age, and there's no one else around he can yell at. Stefan needed to be called out on a couple of things, like leaving his problems behind for everyone else to deal with. Alaric just wanted honestly from S. Alaric got too wound up and said stuff he might regret, taking his own problems out on Stefan like he did with Jeremy. That part's not cool. Hey, Jen..... )) Yea, "Liver" is kinda mine on another page..just jumped right out to me.... Not really a Tyler fan, but Liv is "smokin' (no chopped liver there, lol) They wrote Tyler really selfish and petty last ep.... He didn't care as much about the guy he just mowed down as reactivating the gene... Sry, I not at all into "bed pan boy" Liam. He's pegging the needle on my "dork-a-meter" Thanks for being patient with my posts, I do get a little "bomb-bastic" and over the top making a point, sometimes.... All in fun... I do have an appreciation for ALL the actors that entertain me weekly.... some of the characters I want to stake. LOL Frankly, Alaric is as bad of an "original" vamp, as Jeremy was a "hunter" Jeremy's claim to fame was growing a "Tattoo" and feeding Silas..... Alaric is perfecting his "Bi$ching" at Stefan..... Just one question!!! who did the most to try and findout what happened to Damon and Bonnie? Stefan, Stefan, Stefan..... Enzo's following leads that are weeks old for Stefan.... Alaric made a few phone calls and tells others they need to do more. Caroline was working on getting MF's back.... Matt, Tyler, and Jeremy couldn't give a "flying" about Damon.... and Elena's big effort was turn to drugs.... and all this adds up to Stefan being a "dick" ... doesn't compute..... He should have given Caroline ONE call to explain what he was doing, and definitely shouldn't have dumped "Ivy" in her lap. Other than that it was up to Stefan to decide how he wanted to move on..... Hey, switching thoughts..... I'm still working on tvernay and lynne to post on the page... Bet ya, I prevail... I'm like a pit-bull with a bone sometimes.
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Post by Ruby on Nov 1, 2014 11:29:15 GMT -5
shoe20 couldn't agree more with your post Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards
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Post by jennifer on Nov 2, 2014 12:02:45 GMT -5
Hah! Funny as usual @shoe. We don't always agree on content, but you have a way with words, lol. The "acid rain kiss?" Sorry your ladies didn't want the most romantic moment of their lives. Not. Seriously though, "Liver"? Is that the official name now or are you funnin'?? How about Tiv or Tiver.....wow, not much you can do with Liv. Seems like everyone hates Liam (doctor guy) and Elena (she's not a prostitute @shoe ). They're just filler until Damon gets back so I'm not paying much attention. The show wanted to erase Elena's memories of Damon but not have her get back with Stefan because that would be a horrible choice at the moment, so enter Liam. Although if Elena doesn't choose to get her memories back, she may prefer Liam to both brothers, which could be a nice change. About Alaric. He's got more control than impulsive Ivy, but he's still a newbie vamp with heightened feelings. He doesn't really want to be back imo. He was blowing off steam with Stefan because he can, because Stefan is an adult despite his age, and there's no one else around he can yell at. Stefan needed to be called out on a couple of things, like leaving his problems behind for everyone else to deal with. Alaric just wanted honestly from S. Alaric got too wound up and said stuff he might regret, taking his own problems out on Stefan like he did with Jeremy. That part's not cool. Hey, Jen..... )) Yea, "Liver" is kinda mine on another page..just jumped right out to me.... Not really a Tyler fan, but Liv is "smokin' (no chopped liver there, lol) They wrote Tyler really selfish and petty last ep.... He didn't care as much about the guy he just mowed down as reactivating the gene... Sry, I not at all into "bed pan boy" Liam. He's pegging the needle on my "dork-a-meter" Thanks for being patient with my posts, I do get a little "bomb-bastic" and over the top making a point, sometimes.... All in fun... I do have an appreciation for ALL the actors that entertain me weekly.... some of the characters I want to stake. LOL Frankly, Alaric is as bad of an "original" vamp, as Jeremy was a "hunter" Jeremy's claim to fame was growing a "Tattoo" and feeding Silas..... Alaric is perfecting his "Bi$ching" at Stefan..... Just one question!!! who did the most to try and findout what happened to Damon and Bonnie? Stefan, Stefan, Stefan..... Enzo's following leads that are weeks old for Stefan.... Alaric made a few phone calls and tells others they need to do more. Caroline was working on getting MF's back.... Matt, Tyler, and Jeremy couldn't give a "flying" about Damon.... and Elena's big effort was turn to drugs.... and all this adds up to Stefan being a "dick" ... doesn't compute..... He should have given Caroline ONE call to explain what he was doing, and definitely shouldn't have dumped "Ivy" in her lap. Other than that it was up to Stefan to decide how he wanted to move on..... Hey, switching thoughts..... I'm still working on tvernay and lynne to post on the page... Bet ya, I prevail... I'm like a pit-bull with a bone sometimes. Hey, I'm not arguing Stefan didn't try everything to find Damon. I'm saying he shouldn't have lied when he stopped. He's not the lone-man-travel-light guy anymore. He's made friends, some of whom he loves, and he has obligations. Alaric & Caroline were harsh on him, but something they said led Stefan to the crypt instead of driving to yet another town, something caused him to realize his plan wasn't working, that he was lost. Stefan said it himself: running away wasn't helping him. Now if you wanna talk Enzo....he's the one who had no right to track Stefan, torture him, kill/vampirize Ivy, then speechify about how Stefan is a horrible brother.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 2, 2014 14:14:56 GMT -5
Well stated jennifer ..... I'll sign on to that version, although I still think Alaric went overboard considering how much he really did to find out where Damon was..... Enz-hole on the other hand could be a Tripp vamp-ka-bob and I wouldn't shed a tear. On a personal note ..... Tks for the great B-day gifs and message... Scorpio, Scorpion...lol I've knocked em out of my boots too......... Just what I'd expect from a Texas girl. ) I Just talked to lynne a minute ago and she'll be posting this week, yes a sworn "blood oath". She's on her way home from a trip, today.... )) One down..... I know tvernay is having computer issues, but once they're resolved, I'll push a little (gently of course, You know how tactful I can be.) Are you watching "Downton Abbey" PM me. moshe12 needs some company on the thread.
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Post by napoli on Nov 2, 2014 16:03:41 GMT -5
The part I can't understand about all the hate Stefan is getting from Alaric and Caroline is that it's not proportional to what Stefan's doing. Damon killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy (again) because Elena broke up with him but the response from the other characters (including Stefan) is 'oh, well that's just Damon'.
Stefan hasn't killed anyone because of his grief but he just wants to be left alone. He doesn't need Alaric or Caroline's permission to start a new life. He owes them nothing! Stefan lied to them. He lied. Should he have lied to them? No, but their reactions are more severe than anything leveled at Damon when he killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy. Stefan didn't kill. We all know that Caroline and Enzo are going to be back to flirting as soon as he's back and Enzo is a psycho murderer but yet Caroline can't back off of Stefan because she's the one who unfairly expects more of him. Again, he owes her nothing. Stefan just lost the last person (the other being Lexi) who he has spent his whole life (and afterlife) with. He's not reacting in the healthiest manner but he's not hurting anyone so it's none of their business.
As far as I'm concerned the only mistake Stefan made was to keep answering Alaric's phone calls. Stefan should have ignored him just like he was ignoring Caroline's calls.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 2, 2014 16:17:10 GMT -5
The part I can't understand about all the hate Stefan is getting from Alaric and Caroline is that it's not proportional to what Stefan's doing. Damon killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy (again) because Elena broke up with him but the response from the other characters (including Stefan) is 'oh, well that's just Damon'. Stefan hasn't killed anyone because of his grief but he just wants to be left alone. He doesn't need Alaric or Caroline's permission to start a new life. He owes them nothing! Stefan lied to them. He lied. Should he have lied to them? No, but their reactions are more severe than anything leveled at Damon when he killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy. Stefan didn't kill. We all know that Caroline and Enzo are going to be back to flirting as soon as he's back and Enzo is a psycho murderer but yet Caroline can't back off of Stefan because she's the one who unfairly expects more of him. Again, he owes her nothing. Stefan just lost the last person (the other being Lexi) who he has spent his whole life (and afterlife) with. He's not reacting in the healthiest manner but he's not hurting anyone so it's none of their business. As far as I'm concerned the only mistake Stefan made was to keep answering Alaric's phone calls. Stefan should have ignored him just like he was ignoring Caroline's calls. Things like this is why I don't give the writers the benefit of the doubt, or trust their judgment or that they know what they're doing. I get the feeling they simply got carried away with the whole idea of pushing Stefan down to his lowest for that final scene in the crypt that they had everyone scold him and point out the obvious to make sure we got it (we got it, k?). Additionally... I think the Dalaric fanbase's shouts has gotten to their heads and they wanted to throw them a bone. Hey, I love Dalaric, too. I just don't want it to be forced. Like it was here... In fact, I felt Alaric was so unfair and OOC in that scene, I wanted to punch him. Both times I watched. And I've never felt that way about him, lol.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 2, 2014 16:27:53 GMT -5
The part I can't understand about all the hate Stefan is getting from Alaric and Caroline is that it's not proportional to what Stefan's doing. Damon killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy (again) because Elena broke up with him but the response from the other characters (including Stefan) is 'oh, well that's just Damon'. Stefan hasn't killed anyone because of his grief but he just wants to be left alone. He doesn't need Alaric or Caroline's permission to start a new life. He owes them nothing! Stefan lied to them. He lied. Should he have lied to them? No, but their reactions are more severe than anything leveled at Damon when he killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy. Stefan didn't kill. We all know that Caroline and Enzo are going to be back to flirting as soon as he's back and Enzo is a psycho murderer but yet Caroline can't back off of Stefan because she's the one who unfairly expects more of him. Again, he owes her nothing. Stefan just lost the last person (the other being Lexi) who he has spent his whole life (and afterlife) with. He's not reacting in the healthiest manner but he's not hurting anyone so it's none of their business. As far as I'm concerned the only mistake Stefan made was to keep answering Alaric's phone calls. Stefan should have ignored him just like he was ignoring Caroline's calls. Ding, Ding, Ding.... give the girl a cigar..... Your typed the answer to your question......Damon's Ace in the hole... LOW EXPECTATIONS .... how many times has Damon told us he doesn't want to be good because everyone will expect that from him.... I remember several...so do you..... Conversly, Stefan is suffering from "HIGH EXPECTATIONS", because he always tries to do the right thing, even if it rips him apart. That's how Damon get's a pass killing pregnant women, killing Jeremy over and over, killing innocent people that had nothing to do with the experiments or his torture....... It's just Damon being Damon.... or Damon Logic.... He wants people to accept him as a monster, because he has nothing to live up to. It's genius if you thing about it. Like @dman24 said "wake me when he kills two pregnant women" Damon really didn't like curbing his behavior to "keep the girl", but his overriding need to ease his "man-pain" to be loved ... kicked in.... The only flicker of hope I saw for Damon's character in S5 was the fact he saw what his consuming love was doing to Elena, and started the "Toxic Love" dialogue.....
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Post by deb on Nov 2, 2014 16:48:06 GMT -5
I didn't really dislike this episode but I didn't like it either... I mean, it's boring if I compare it to the episodes in season 01, 02 and 03 but it wasn't too bad if you compare it to the episodes in season 4, 5 and 6.
Elena - I really love this Elena. I don't care if she loves Stefan or Liam or whoever she loves, but she's kind and she's selfless and she cares, she was trying to save everyone... I couldn't disagree more when some people say that this isn't the real Elena, that the real Elena wouldn't let Damon go, just like this, and kiss another guy just like this but, THIS is the real Elena, the one who isn't defined by the man she's with, like she was before. I also loved the "I want a hero" comment because, for me, that's Stefan, the vampire with the HERO hair, the one who always did everything to save everyones lifes. Damon did a few heroic things but he's not a hero, IMO.
Stefan - Stefan is hurt, he was just trying to move on but he couldn't without his brother... The Defan scene was good because Paul did a great work but I'm not a big fan of Defan because I always felt it was one sided and I felt that again in this scene.Damon wasn't as happy to see Stefan and he was too see Damon. Besides, I feel like Elena will always be the main reason why Damon came back, not Stefan... Anyway, I understand the Alaric/Stefan scene was necessary for the last Defan scene but Alaric should just shut up. He keeps blaming Stefan but what did he really do to get Damon (his "best friend"... I won't even go there...) back?!? Stefan actually spent some months looking untill he gave up hope, Alaric just sent Stefan some leads, he never actually followed those leads!!!
Damon - I really liked the Damon/Bonnie scenes and I'm sad it's all over now. They have chemistry. Bonnie is the best and my favourite female character, by far, this season... I almost cried with her when she stayed behind, that's a real heroine and I wish she had better writers, who could actually give her all the good things she deserves.
Liv and Tyler - I don't like Liv, there's something in her facial expression that never changes, either she's happy or sad... But, the scene where she killed that guy for Tyler was epic... It proved to me that the writers can still write some epic love scenes.
Caroline - Poor Caroline, she misses Stefan and she finally explained why she wanted Damon back so bad (after everything he did to her, in season 1, I couldn't really understand that, but now I do, it all comes down to Stefan). Please, no romantic Steroline, Stefan couldn't care less if she's in a towel or with nothing on. Don't ruin there friendship, pelase....
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 2, 2014 17:01:05 GMT -5
The part I can't understand about all the hate Stefan is getting from Alaric and Caroline is that it's not proportional to what Stefan's doing. Damon killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy (again) because Elena broke up with him but the response from the other characters (including Stefan) is 'oh, well that's just Damon'. Stefan hasn't killed anyone because of his grief but he just wants to be left alone. He doesn't need Alaric or Caroline's permission to start a new life. He owes them nothing! Stefan lied to them. He lied. Should he have lied to them? No, but their reactions are more severe than anything leveled at Damon when he killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy. Stefan didn't kill. We all know that Caroline and Enzo are going to be back to flirting as soon as he's back and Enzo is a psycho murderer but yet Caroline can't back off of Stefan because she's the one who unfairly expects more of him. Again, he owes her nothing. Stefan just lost the last person (the other being Lexi) who he has spent his whole life (and afterlife) with. He's not reacting in the healthiest manner but he's not hurting anyone so it's none of their business. As far as I'm concerned the only mistake Stefan made was to keep answering Alaric's phone calls. Stefan should have ignored him just like he was ignoring Caroline's calls. Things like this is why I don't give the writers the benefit of the doubt, or trust their judgment or that they know what they're doing. I get the feeling they simply got carried away with the whole idea of pushing Stefan down to his lowest for that final scene in the crypt that they had everyone scold him and point out the obvious to make sure we got it (we got it, k?). Additionally... I think the Dalaric fanbase's shouts has gotten to their heads and they wanted to throw them a bone. Hey, I love Dalaric, too. I just don't want it to be forced. Like it was here... In fact, I felt Alaric was so unfair and OOC in that scene, I wanted to punch him. Both times I watched. And I've never felt that way about him, lol. Hey, I like what your say'n, but the only reason I keep watch'n is the hope they know what their do'n.(yes I type drawl).... Think about how redundant they get with a theme.... nothing subtle about this bunch.... how many..... toxic love - break-up - make-up sex.... loops did we have to endure in S5? The same thing is now true with Alaric and Caroline beating Stefan like a "Red-headed Step child" for basically nothing but wanting to move on his way.... He still did more to located info about Damon/Bonnie than anyone else....
My take is they're use this redundant form of driving a point, because of the "target audience" they're writing for. (subtle,doesn't work)......... repetition, repetition , repetition It's the simplest form of teaching. I'm holding out hope they don't have in mind a co-dependent relationship with a serial killer rapist that abuses women and kills those that get in his way... as the end-game of the series.... Hey, it's my B-day..... I get a wish. If I'm wrong, it's all about...
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 2, 2014 17:15:08 GMT -5
Hey, I like what you say'n, but the only reason I keep watch'n is I hope they know what their do'n.(yes I type drawl).... Think about how redundant they get with a theme.... nothing subtle about this bunch.... how many toxic, break-ups, make-up sex loops did we have to endure in S5? The same thing is true now with Alaric and Caroline beating Stefan like a "Red-headed Step child" for basically nothing but wanting to move on his way.... He still did more to located info about Damon/Bonnie than anyone else.... My take is they're use this redundant form of driving a point, because of the "target audience" their writing for. (subtle,doesn't work)......... repetition, repetition , repetition It's the simplest form of teaching. I'm holding out hope they don't have in mind a co-dependent relationship with a serial killer rapist that abuses women and kills those that get in his way... as the end-game of the series.... Hey, it's my B-day..... I get a wish. If I'm wrong, it's all about... I get ya. Obviously, I also hold out some hope or I would have stopped watching (but probably not. Once I get addicted to a show...). My faith is just wearing thin.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 2, 2014 17:39:38 GMT -5
aliensoul13, buck up girl... you might as well go out with a smile on your face..... you know your not quitt'n...(cool your type'n my drawl back. lol A Scorpio indeed). I'm with ya on the series addiction thing....I've tried to quit a bunch when they went south.... never successful. If I'm in .... I'm all in.... deb, great post... nothing about your take on the characters I didn't agree with ( well than not much new, lol) When Caroline was standing ther clutching the towel and Stefan opened the door with "what do you want".....I wanted her to rip off the towel and give him a message he understood..... lol Just the voyeur in me. I thought Caroline always pursued what she wanted...... Stefan was waiting....who gives a F about Ivy, she was just background. See, it's a good thing I'm not writing the series...... Take me big boy, might get a commercial break......
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Post by napoli on Nov 2, 2014 21:48:23 GMT -5
The part I can't understand about all the hate Stefan is getting from Alaric and Caroline is that it's not proportional to what Stefan's doing. Damon killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy (again) because Elena broke up with him but the response from the other characters (including Stefan) is 'oh, well that's just Damon'. Stefan hasn't killed anyone because of his grief but he just wants to be left alone. He doesn't need Alaric or Caroline's permission to start a new life. He owes them nothing! Stefan lied to them. He lied. Should he have lied to them? No, but their reactions are more severe than anything leveled at Damon when he killed Aaron and almost killed Jeremy. Stefan didn't kill. We all know that Caroline and Enzo are going to be back to flirting as soon as he's back and Enzo is a psycho murderer but yet Caroline can't back off of Stefan because she's the one who unfairly expects more of him. Again, he owes her nothing. Stefan just lost the last person (the other being Lexi) who he has spent his whole life (and afterlife) with. He's not reacting in the healthiest manner but he's not hurting anyone so it's none of their business. As far as I'm concerned the only mistake Stefan made was to keep answering Alaric's phone calls. Stefan should have ignored him just like he was ignoring Caroline's calls. Ding, Ding, Ding.... give the girl a cigar..... Your typed the answer to your question......Damon's Ace in the hole... LOW EXPECTATIONS .... how many times has Damon told us he doesn't want to be good because everyone will expect that from him.... I remember several...so do you..... Conversly, Stefan is suffering from "HIGH EXPECTATIONS", because he always tries to do the right thing, even if it rips him apart. That's how Damon get's a pass killing pregnant women, killing Jeremy over and over, killing innocent people that had nothing to do with the experiments or his torture....... It's just Damon being Damon.... or Damon Logic.... He wants people to accept him as a monster, because he has nothing to live up to. It's genius if you thing about it. Like @dman24 said "wake me when he kills two pregnant women" Damon really didn't like curbing his behavior to "keep the girl", but his overriding need to ease his "man-pain" to be loved ... kicked in.... The only flicker of hope I saw for Damon's character in S5 was the fact he saw what his consuming love was doing to Elena, and started the "Toxic Love" dialogue..... I still haven't seen a flicker of hope in Damon's character since s2 and his existential crisis. The scene with Bamon and Defan were both powerful but as deb said with Defan it really wasn't any change on Damon's side because it was only Stefan who was suffering without his brother. With Bamon we didn't see a better behaved Damon because there was literally no one there for him to kill. I know I'm going to sound like a broken record but there is no Damon redemption story line yet. Let's see how Damon reacts when he realises that Elena has moved on even if she did it artificially.
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