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Post by deb on Nov 3, 2014 7:32:07 GMT -5
I know what you mean. It almost looks as though Alaric and Caroline are going to make Stefan feel unnecessarily guilty again. shoe20 napoli, why do I get the feeling that they are doing with Steroline the exact same thing they did with DElena in s05? They keep having the same conversations over and over again, it's boring but, is it bad writing or is it intentional? DE was all about "I'm bad for you" and "Who cares? I can't live without you so let's have sex". Steroline is all about "I need you Stefan, don't leave me." and "I don't care Caroline"*leaves...
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Post by napoli on Nov 3, 2014 7:59:48 GMT -5
napoli, why do I get the feeling that they are doing with Steroline the exact same thing they did with DElena in s05? They keep having the same conversations over and over again, it's boring but, is it bad writing or is it intentional? DE was all about "I'm bad for you" and "Who cares? I can't live without you so let's have sex". Steroline is all about "I need you Stefan, don't leave me." and "I don't care Caroline"*leaves... They already have a few of those scenes under their belt so they're well on their way. And it's double-whammy of both bad writing and being intentional
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Post by napoli on Nov 3, 2014 8:04:37 GMT -5
Remember how elena behaved the last 2 seasons and alaric, caroline and everyone else gives her no guilt for it. Why are they not willing to forgive stefan..?? I'm not even expecting the characters to forgive Stefan right away but rather at least give him the space to grieve. Stefan was pretty clear to Caroline how he looked for Damon came up empty and then went on his own to deal with his own crap. They don't need to have Stefan around right now. For goodness sakes they're vampires who have an eternity to deal with their afterlife and they're not willing to give Stefan a few months more months to get his crap together. That's a great point about Elena. In s5 Elena didn't give a crap about anyone especially Jeremy and no one said a word to her. Just because she was physically present doesn't me she was supportive of her own brother and friends yet no one said a word.
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Post by demetra on Nov 3, 2014 8:45:19 GMT -5
On the matter of Steroline, Stefan said point blank to Caroline in the pilot "you and me, it is not going to happen." So there is a basis for him acting as he has been, because he's not been living his feelings. While Caroline is more aware of her feelings, Stefan has rejected all his relationships, including Caroline. However. None of that really excuses the way he has treated Caroline. As he said to Tyler, she doesn't deserve it. Matt and Tyler both treated Caroline poorly, so I'm not "grading" Stefan against Damon's behaviour, I just think Stefan was raised as a gentleman in a time when that meant something. I think we are giving him a by because we know he could have rippered out, and, instead is practicing extreme self-control instead of turning off his humanity. But as his friends have said to him -- and he to them on their example -- it is important to feel.
Personally when what happened to Stefan happened to me, I did exactly what he did -- for about three years. So I do get the inclination.
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Post by Kiki on Nov 3, 2014 12:03:56 GMT -5
Remember how elena behaved the last 2 seasons and alaric, caroline and everyone else gives her no guilt for it. Why are they not willing to forgive stefan..?? I'm not even expecting the characters to forgive Stefan right away but rather at least give him the space to grieve. Stefan was pretty clear to Caroline how he looked for Damon came up empty and then went on his own to deal with his own crap. They don't need to have Stefan around right now. For goodness sakes they're vampires who have an eternity to deal with their afterlife and they're not willing to give Stefan a few months more months to get his crap together. That's a great point about Elena. In s5 Elena didn't give a crap about anyone especially Jeremy and no one said a word to her. Just because she was physically present doesn't me she was supportive of her own brother and friends yet no one said a word. And not forget, Caroline was angry with Stefan because he didn't call her or answered her calls. Remember how often she tried to call him or worried about him when he was drowning in a safe over and over again??
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 3, 2014 12:10:48 GMT -5
I know what you mean. It almost looks as though Alaric and Caroline are going to make Stefan feel unnecessarily guilty again. shoe20 napoli, why do I get the feeling that they are doing with Steroline the exact same thing they did with DElena in s05? They keep having the same conversations over and over again, it's boring but, is it bad writing or is it intentional? DE was all about "I'm bad for you" and "Who cares? I can't live without you so let's have sex". Steroline is all about "I need you Stefan, don't leave me." and "I don't care Caroline"*leaves... deb, I still don't think they'll take Steroline the whole way....Too many writing probs to end it, and I don't think it's the end game...... This is just the longing for something that won't happen thing for Caroline....besides if Stefan does take advantage of her feelings for him, he'll look like an opportunist..... That's not Stefan, that's Damon.... They're still going with their repetition, repetition , repetition because that's their writing style to pound something home to the young "mush minds".... )
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Post by deb on Nov 5, 2014 7:00:59 GMT -5
Vampire Diaries scoop on Damon and Elena, please! — Samantha
Did you watch our interview with Ian Somerhalder and Nina Dobrev? As for how Damon will feel when he finds out that Elena's memory has been erased, it's not pretty. "He'll be pretty pissed at [Alaric] ... and can't imagine for the life of him why his best friend would do this," Somerhalder says. Fortunately, Damon's reunion with Stefan will go better — and snap Stefan out of his funk. "He's going through his dark phase, but he comes around," Paul Wesley says. "They're going to hug it out."
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Post by Kiki on Nov 5, 2014 11:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by napoli on Nov 5, 2014 11:52:00 GMT -5
Seriously? Even Enzo is 'boo-hoo-hoo. Stefan lied instead of looking for his brother.' Enzo killed a waitress just because he was hungry. No snatch, eat, erase for him. But I'm supposed to believe Stefan is the one in the wrong? No thanks. Elena was taking drugs to hallucinate Damon while attacking innocent people and Jeremy was boozing it up and sleeping around yet both Caroline and Alaric were able to show compassion and understanding toward them and help them while they were/are clearly grieving. Stefan chooses a less unhealthy way (still unhealthy but in comparison to the Gilbert siblings really not so bad) and they treat Stefan like the scourge of the Earth.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 5, 2014 12:00:47 GMT -5
It makes me so happy that Matt is treating Enzo like the dangerous person that he is, and that he isn't buying his bs. Too bad he is forced to rescue him later in the episode.
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 5, 2014 12:44:10 GMT -5
I so sick of everyone being a jerk to stefen omg leave him alone and he is pushing caroline away to spare her feelings.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 5, 2014 14:00:02 GMT -5
The episode doesn't look half-bad. I like that they're all coming together. Wonder where Jeremy is and how he learns about Bonnie.
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 5, 2014 22:45:35 GMT -5
The episode doesn't look half-bad. I like that they're all coming together. Wonder where Jeremy is and how he learns about Bonnie. I have such a visceral reaction whenever I see Plec and Dries talk about the show that I only see the negatives.
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Post by wednesday on Nov 5, 2014 23:32:50 GMT -5
SNEAK PEEK 6X06He misses Bonnie! Oh my Bamon heart! Bring back Bonnie ASAP!!! That's the reunion I'd want to see!
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 6, 2014 0:05:38 GMT -5
Bamon well that is just a bone but hey its a good one
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