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Post by demetra on Oct 3, 2014 17:31:39 GMT -5
somehow I get the feeling they used the sirebond to end Stelena and now they will use the compelling to end Delena. Like a loveswitch * spoiler *In episode 4, she's still asking for Stefan's help to move on from Damon so, even if Alaric does it, he'll probably undo it in episode 3... Maybe Stefan realizes what he did (he realizes a change in her, in episode 3, right?) and asks Alaric to undo it because Stefan always thought that isn't the way to deal with things... Turning it off, compelling to forget, losing your free will, he's always against that... I could see Stefan doing that... Stefan could probably understand why she'd want to go that route as he asked Rebekah to do the same thing for him when he and Elena were broken up.
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Post by Ruby on Oct 3, 2014 17:45:38 GMT -5
* spoiler *In episode 4, she's still asking for Stefan's help to move on from Damon so, even if Alaric does it, he'll probably undo it in episode 3... Maybe Stefan realizes what he did (he realizes a change in her, in episode 3, right?) and asks Alaric to undo it because Stefan always thought that isn't the way to deal with things... Turning it off, compelling to forget, losing your free will, he's always against that... I could see Stefan doing that... Stefan could probably understand why she'd want to go that route as he asked Rebekah to do the same thing for him when he and Elena were broken up. i was getting ready to mention that how stefan wanted his memories erased as well
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Post by deb on Oct 3, 2014 18:04:47 GMT -5
Yes, he wanted it because he was hurt. But, remember how Elena tried to stop him? Maybe, now, it's reversed, and Stefan will stop Elena from doing it?!? I have no idea!
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Post by demetra on Oct 3, 2014 22:29:47 GMT -5
Guys, who among us rated the episode a 4 or a 5? I rated it a 5, tho that is a tad generous, I'm happy to have a new episode.
It's funny that Luke -- now this is just a continuity observation, not a summary statement arguing for the end of the series -- has access to these fabulous hallucinatory herbs that can bring back physical visions of the dead when Professor Shadypants in Season Four helped Silas slaughter dozens of supernaturals to see his wife again.
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Post by demetra on Oct 3, 2014 22:40:09 GMT -5
Also, what it says to me is how key the relationship of Stefan and Damon is to the show's vibe. Because it is not only the triangle that is silent, it is also that the Salvatore brothers did not connect for the entire episode. So folks feel as though nothing happened. But that was the point. Every relationship is interrupted. The exception comes with the two characters who almost never connected in the first season: Carolyn and her mother spending almost every day together.
Also Jeremy's not only lost Bonnie but he's lost the intensity of his communication with the dead. That is a pretty deadened reversal of events.
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Post by lilmisskay on Oct 3, 2014 23:26:58 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm very surprised on how satisfied I am about this episode. Of course, Elena is crying again which does not surprised me since that's basically what a person should do during grieving time. I was surprised that she had asked Alaric (Yay he's back!) to compelled her to forget Damon. I love where Stefan is in this episode. I love that he had moved away from Mystic Falls (of course he will come back eventually) and started on a new life in a new town and in a new relationship. Even though he doesn't seem affected by Damon's death, but I think it will happen eventually. It seems like he's in denial that his brother is dead, even though he said he had moved on. Not really liking where Tyler and Liv story line is going. I think i need to watch a couple more episode. I still don't like Liv or Luke at this point. Honestly, i'm surprised that they stuck around after what had happened in the season 5 finale. Even though I knew that they will show Damon and Bonnie at the end of the episode, I was surprised on how they are with each other. In a way it made sense since they are stuck together for four months with only the two of them. I think where they are, they are in a time loop or something like that. I'm really looking forward to see them spend some time together. I still think they are better friends than a couple.
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Post by Kiki on Oct 4, 2014 1:23:05 GMT -5
When elena and luke were arguing about th herbs it felt like luke was doing it because he has a crush on her but then i remembered he was introduced a gay wasn't he? Did the writers forget about it or just dropped this topic
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Post by lilmisskay on Oct 4, 2014 3:07:17 GMT -5
When elena and luke were arguing about th herbs it felt like luke was doing it because he has a crush on her but then i remembered he was introduced a gay wasn't he? Did the writers forget about it or just dropped this topic I don't think that he had a crush on her. I'm pretty sure he's still gay. I think he felt guilty about what had happened to Damon and felt responsible. So I think that the herbs are his way of an apology or something. I think they will explain that in the future episodes. Hopefully.
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Post by Kiki on Oct 4, 2014 5:55:59 GMT -5
When elena and luke were arguing about th herbs it felt like luke was doing it because he has a crush on her but then i remembered he was introduced a gay wasn't he? Did the writers forget about it or just dropped this topic I don't think that he had a crush on her. I'm pretty sure he's still gay. I think he felt guilty about what had happened to Damon and felt responsible. So I think that the herbs are his way of an apology or something. I think they will explain that in the future episodes. Hopefully. you mean they throw in little details and make a storyline out of it a few episodes later? Well that was season 1-3. That doesn't happen anymore
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Post by katvolley13 on Oct 4, 2014 7:10:04 GMT -5
I rated this episode a one
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Post by shoe20 on Oct 4, 2014 9:06:13 GMT -5
:Yea, I,m one of the suck votes. lol The whole premier came off flat and emotionless.....I felt Nina was overacting a bit and I usually feel very connected to her performance..... They could have done a lot better with Stefan's coping tooo..... have him be a bad boy.... stripping at the beach for ladies nite...... Sry....auto mechanize? really? His new girl was hot, but the whole "I'm a vamp.. beer drinking phone breaker....was just not my vision of Stefan..... I wanted him to go off on Elena when she called for her hope fix (time to quit letting Elena drag your heart around....Stefan).....God, Elena's turned in to a real user!!! good job "dead one" I tell ya guys.... I'm getting real close to the screen and turning the volume up when Alaric compels Elena to forget Damon...... ) Maybe it'll work. Wasn't this the same Elena that went ballistic at the thought of Stefan having Bex do the same thing S4 at the school ?
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Post by Kiki on Oct 4, 2014 9:25:52 GMT -5
I just remembered season 1... wasn't it that matt helped stefan repair his red porsche because he couldn't do it himself and kept it broken in the garage for years? The same stefan who now works as a mechanic without any lessons to learn that job? Sometimes i wonder if all the new writers that join the team even care to watch all seasons before they start writing
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Post by shoe20 on Oct 4, 2014 11:04:52 GMT -5
I just remembered season 1... wasn't it that matt helped stefan repair his red porsche because he couldn't do it himself and kept it broken in the garage for years? The same stefan who now works as a mechanic without any lessons to learn that job? Sometimes i wonder if all the new writers that join the team even care to watch all seasons before they start writing Good catch Kiki, your exactly right about Stefan and the Porsche..... I see the same problem with the new writers..... They don't have a clue what their tearing up or rewriting.....
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Post by demetra on Oct 4, 2014 12:40:41 GMT -5
:Yea, I,m one of the suck votes. lol The whole premier came off flat and emotionless.....I felt Nina was overacting a bit and I usually feel very connected to her performance..... They could have done a lot better with Stefan's coping tooo..... have him be a bad boy.... stripping at the beach for ladies nite...... Sry....auto mechanize? really? His new girl was hot, but the whole "I'm a vamp.. beer drinking phone breaker....was just not my vision of Stefan..... I wanted him to go off on Elena when she called for her hope fix (time to quit letting Elena drag your heart around....Stefan).....God, Elena's turned in to a real user!!! good job "dead one" I tell ya guys.... I'm getting real close to the screen and turning the volume up when Alaric compels Elena to forget Damon...... ) Maybe it'll work. Wasn't this the same Elena that went ballistic at the thought of Stefan having Bex do the same thing S4 at the school ? I think the point may be that Elena is stuck exactly where she was when Damon blinked out of her existence. She has made all the moves she's normally made to survive the death around her, only this time she's stuck, more or less what she said to Ric. I have known folks in this same position. It is extremely irritating if what you want to do yourself is just bury it yourself and move on. The first part of her Thank You speech to Damon, when she was able to acknowledge who he brought back, was pretty mature, Season 1-3 Elena. The fact that the whole conscious act of saying goodbye just didn't work for Elena is pretty interesting to me. I am much more interested in the idea that it will be Ric trying to help her find out what's going on than some new character as was the case with Bonnie and Atticus Shane.
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Post by napoli on Oct 4, 2014 14:17:36 GMT -5
What did you Like?
Matt bonding with humans and working toward protection seems to give him a better purpose than working at the grill. I hope Matt enjoys this supernatural-free time because I’m sure if won’t last.
Stefan being away from MF and dealing with his grief by not turning off his humanity and becoming a ripper. I also loved how he told his bed-buddy that he was a vampire and she simply answered that he’s annoying. That scene showed us that he isn’t feeding off of her and that he is not compelling her. There were some rumblings on tumblr that Stefan was going to treat Ivy the same way Damon treated Caroline in s1 and Andie in s2 but thankfully the writers are staying true so far to his character development.
Elena dealing with Damon’s death with witchy drugs that let her hallucinate Damon makes sense given the grief she is going through. She’s just lost the love of her life so I’m glad they’re having her mourn him. Threatening Luke to get more of the magic herbs isn’t her finest moment but at least she was easier on him than the campers.
Caroline focusing on bringing Bonnie back. It’s completely like Caroline to become engrossed and focused on a cause and what better cause than to bring her friend back.
Elena asking Alaric to make her forget her love for Damon. I can’t help but think it’s appropriate for a love that started with supernatural help (the sire bond) is being stopped with supernatural help (compulsion).
Elena without a Salvatore. I want to see Elena evolve without the love triangle constantly interfering.
What you did not like?
Elena attacking the campers as Damon did in season 1. Even if she didn’t kill them she was needlessly making the feed overly gruesome and terrifying for the victim. This is a far cry from Elena learning to feed in s4 with a quick snatch, eat and erase. I guess Elena really is enjoying her power as a vampire.
Alaric casually pouring blood into his cup in such public places. Even if he has the power to compel being so open about it at the football party seemed unnecessarily reckless. We saw him do it in the classroom already so we get it Alaric drinks blood.
Jeremy’s spiralling is too reminiscent of his druggie phase in s1 except now it’s booze, girls and video games. He just seems like a regular teenager again.
So much for a reset! More like a regress to s1. I also don’t like how they keep calling the new season as a reset. Wasn’t it a reset for s5 too? I don’t need a reset. I need a great story to watch. Or is it code for we know the fans didn’t like last season but let’s try to trick them into giving the show another shot by calling it a reset.
Stefan ignoring Caroline’s phone calls but answering Alaric and Elena.
Caroline chastising Elena for not mourning for Damon when last season Caroline told Elena Damon was the most dangerous person in her life and celebrated when DE briefly broke up. I didn’t expect Caroline to dance on Damon’s grave but the 180 degree switch doesn’t make sense.
The campy humour – OMG, Sheriff Forbes. I thought you were a serial killer. Worse actually cause you’ll still be alive when I call your parents.
What was your favorite scene/quote?
The best scene by far was Bamon having breakfast together. In those few seconds Bamon came across like a cute married couple. The way Bonnie knew how Damon liked his coffee with one cube of sugar, Bonnie passing the paper to Damon and then Damon teasing Bonnie with the vampire pancakes was refreshing.
Best Quote
Elena: She (Caroline) doesn’t want to let go. I get it. I don’t want to let go either. I don’t want to think that everything’s changed that I have to start over. That the worst thing that could possibly happen actually did...but I don't have to.
This quote shows just how different vampire Elena than when she was human and dealing with her parents’ death and dealing with becoming a vampire.
In 1x01 this is how Elena coped: Dear Diary, Today will be different. It has to be. I will smile, and it will be believable. My smile will say, "I'm fine, thank you. Yes, I feel much better." I will no longer be the sad little girl that lost her parents. I will start fresh, be someone new. It's the only way I'll make it through.
In 4x05 Elena: I used to think the worst feeling in the world was losing someone you loved, but I was wrong. The worst feeling is the moment that you realise that you’ve lost yourself.
What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard?
Elena asking Alaric to take away her memories of loving Damon. As some have already mentioned it was similar to Stefan asking Rebekah to do the same in s4 except Elena at that time Elena was horrified that Stefan wanted to erase her. It is also so different from human Elena who wanted to feel everything and didn’t want to lose her feelings even if it caused her pain.
AND HOW DID YOU LIKE THIS SEASON premiere AND WHAT YOU EXPECT FOR this SEASON =)
I rated it a 3. It could’ve been worse and it could’ve been better. Nothing gave me chills or kept me on the edge of my chair wanting more when compared to how I felt about s1-s4 premieres. I'm trying not to have any expectations about s6 so that way I may be pleasantly surprised.
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