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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 19:27:52 GMT -5
@dman24 You pretty much nailed it on the head why I sometimes need to imbibe on libations while watching the show, I need to drop my moral indignation in order to cope with some character choices if ya catch my drift! @seiwriter A hell yes, to a lot of what you touched on here. Especially the potential of Alaric and Elena. The more I have stewed about it the more it actually makes some sense in many ways. Like you said, their dynamic is going to be drastically different because of all that has changed since Ric left the living, with both now being vampires and treading on the dark side. Their age gap isn't much and while there is a creep factor, lets face it there is a creep factor with nearly ALL the couples on the show. Mystic Falls is an incestuous dating pool. And because Alaric will be the one that helps Elena through her grief (and his too) that might force them to look at each other in a new light. Grief does weird things to people. And while I started this topic based on the potential love/hate Alarenzo could bring I am actually the most excited about Ric's dynamics with all the characters. What will become of Jeremy (the hunter) and Ric (ubervamp) relationship now? Besides dealing with the aftermath of The Other Side disappearing, the bigger aftermath is dealing with those that crossed over again that had been "dead" for longer than a day. Season 6 becomes more intriguing by the minute. Yeah, grief does weird things to people, but it's still wrong though. I would not want to see that!
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Post by crimmyj on May 26, 2014 19:28:44 GMT -5
shoe20 because unlike Damon, Enzo could touch the vervain soaked bars reach down and grab the keys off the dead guy. Maybe Enzo is a better Damon than Damon was?! *shrug* plotholes, schmotholes. Hey at first Damon and Alaric were oil and water, and look what they became. I think Alaric and Enzo will be forced to work together and develop a mutual "I hate you, but damn if I don't respect you" relationship. Maybe it will be Enzo that will turn Ric on the the dark side of vamping and he will have a new murder buddy and Elena will have to be Ric's sober sponsor to get him back on the rails. And it will be a fight between Elena and Enzo for Ric's soul. With Elena playing the Stefan to Enzo's Damon in the remaking of Vampire Ric (aka Vampire Elena)...with Enzo teaching him to embrace it while Elena trying to have the same Ric she always could depend on. You know the writers love a good rehash!
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Post by shoe20 on May 26, 2014 19:33:13 GMT -5
Also, the first time they did the deed, she was newly Sire-Bonded to Damon and under his complete control.....Yes, neither knew at the time, but the facts remain the same. I think your last sentence is spot on ... but who in their right mind looks to any T.V as a moral compass? You're right! But even though I don't use television shows as a moral compass, I am a bit guilty in using my morals to assess the characters on them. Obviously not on every occasion, but when the situation calls for it, or if it's just a blatant act, I would judge them according to my standards. And I don't think anything is wrong with that, cause it's impossible to have no opinion whatsoever on what these characters do. The key though, is keeping a balanced perspective on everything. It's the only way you're able to enjoy these shows. Not me "D" I use morals to support my slanted view of the series .... not necessary to believe in them. lol Great fall back in heated discussions. =) The discussion is as much fun as the series, and more so because of the S5 season.....and face it right now it's all we got.
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Post by crimmyj on May 26, 2014 19:34:52 GMT -5
@dman24 I'm just looking out for you...trying to get you adjusted to idea because the writers might mess with you big time this coming season. It's nothing a little day drinkin and humor can't handle, right? I mean I haven't started a topic under the other ships forum yet...muahahaha
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 19:46:59 GMT -5
@dman24 I'm just looking out for you...trying to get you adjusted to idea because the writers might mess with you big time this coming season. It's nothing a little day drinkin and humor can't handle, right? I mean I haven't started a topic under the other ships forum yet...muahahaha Sorry, but this is one thing I won't joke about. I DO NOT like that idea, and I hope it never happens. But thanks for looking out for me though.
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Post by crimmyj on May 26, 2014 19:56:48 GMT -5
@dman24 I'm just looking out for you...trying to get you adjusted to idea because the writers might mess with you big time this coming season. It's nothing a little day drinkin and humor can't handle, right? I mean I haven't started a topic under the other ships forum yet...muahahaha Sorry, but this is one thing I won't joke about. I DO NOT like that idea, and I hope it never happens. But thanks for looking out for me though. I may not happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if it did. So that is the feeling I am kinda going on. I know I might be alone on this because the world of tv these days revolves around ships, but I would love a season void of romantic entanglements. These broken people need to fix themselves, I mean damn! Elena needs to spend some time with her freaking brother, you know the one whose death she turned her humanity off for but this season was totally cool with not ever noticing him. Enzo and Ric can go on a weird murder spree while Caroline rolls her eyes and looks adorable in her righteous indignation all the while helping Tyler adjust to being a slave to the full moon again. Matt need to take a road trip and slap his mom across the face for being worthless, and brush up on his resume. The one person who deserves to get some sweet sweet loving is Liz.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 11:30:53 GMT -5
Sorry, but this is one thing I won't joke about. I DO NOT like that idea, and I hope it never happens. But thanks for looking out for me though. I may not happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if it did. So that is the feeling I am kinda going on. I know I might be alone on this because the world of tv these days revolves around ships, but I would love a season void of romantic entanglements. These broken people need to fix themselves, I mean damn! Elena needs to spend some time with her freaking brother, you know the one whose death she turned her humanity off for but this season was totally cool with not ever noticing him. Enzo and Ric can go on a weird murder spree while Caroline rolls her eyes and looks adorable in her righteous indignation all the while helping Tyler adjust to being a slave to the full moon again. Matt need to take a road trip and slap his mom across the face for being worthless, and brush up on his resume. The one person who deserves to get some sweet sweet loving is Liz. I usually avoid shipping, but Alaric and Liz are a ship I can get behind, if Liz survives. We don't know how long she was left in that bar, and what kind of internal damage was done to her in the explosion. I heard that the actress who plays her is a writer on The Originals now. She might not have much time for acting anymore. Matt is also supposed to be a cop in the coming season. He might be the new sheriff. At the very least, Liz is probably retired. What I find intriguing about the coming season is that the characters are supposed to be separated both geographically and emotionally. Matt has already expressed a desire to live in a Mystic Falls without vampires, and Tyler and Jeremy are supposed to already be moving on with their lives in Mystic Falls. Julie Plec mentioned the possibility of the three of them fighting over a human girl. Since the vampires can't return to Mystic Falls at the moment, I'm surprised that there aren't more theories out there about what everyone will be up to after the time jump. Personally, I think Elena and Alaric will be grieving on their own and coping with Alaric's vampirism and its effects on his personality. Caroline will probably be alone at college (unless Stefan enrolls for yet another degree) because she'll be the only one still interested in that part of life, and I'm sure that Enzo will circle her periodically to piss off Stefan while also trying to provoke Alaric, Damon's other BFF. I'm not sure what Enzo will do to try to get Alaric to kill people, but it will probably only make Alaric want to kill Enzo, and Elena will have to stop Alaric from getting in touch with his inner super-vampire-hunter again. One thing that's occurred to me is that Alaric might have a hard time drinking human blood. Esther made him to be the spitting image of Mikael, and even though Alaric won't really want to kill vampires indiscriminately, a vampire might have to feed him to keep him from getting hungry enough to desiccate other vampires. Elena might think nothing of letting Alaric feed off of her after Matt was generous enough to donate to her when she was having a hard time. Since Alaric is a vampire and Jeremy is now a Hunter, Jeremy probably won't be able to feel as close to Alaric as he did when Alaric was human. As a result, Elena will have to take care of Alaric and Jeremy will stay in Mystic Falls, where Jeremy doesn't hate all vampires because the magic that caused the hate doesn't work there. If Elena shares blood with Alaric, that would not only upset Enzo because of his experience with Augustine, it could also create a new dynamic between Elena and Alaric. I'm not saying that there will or should be romance, but I don't think Alaric can be thought of as Elena's or Jeremy's father figure anymore regardless of what happens in Season 6. Honestly, I'd rather see Elena with a human for once. When the series finally does end, I think the best way to bring it full circle would be to have Elena get back together with Matt for good. The fact that Matt possibly dying forced Elena's humanity back on proves that Elena will always love him. She just isn't in a place where she can be with him and be happy. If Matt was willing to donate blood to her after dumping Caroline for being a vampire, then I think Matt still loves Elena too. It takes more than a friend to do what he's done for her. They just can't be together right now. These are all just my own theories.
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