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Post by leelala on May 23, 2014 17:48:48 GMT -5
Delena definitely had happy moments but I think as a whole they always had this looming doubt and negative tone overshadow their relationship whether that be bc they were all consumed with each other or b/c they had constant judgment from all sides... And in a way I agree with you but I also disagree bc this was not at all their best for a lot of the reasons you stated.. For me simply making someone happy for a time doesnt make it the best of a relationship which is why I dont think we've seen it yet.. Rose's comment was far more than that and I see it as far more extreme ends of the scale than season 5 was... Season 5 for me was low, even as a Delena fan I didnt appreciate their relationship like I should have after so many seasons of waiting, but I have hope and saw hints at how amazing it could be if they both grew as people... They were co-dependent and not at their best, this is exactly why I believe once they go through this hard time and grow on their own as individuals, it will only make them better for each other. This time apart in death will make them more well rounded and dont necessarily believe they will get back together as soon as Damon and Bonnie return either.. I think Damon will change a lot from this experience, I actually had a thought that Elena and Damon may move on for a time.. But having said that, the best of them is yet to come.. Death will change Damon I think in a really positive way.. The spoiler that states Elena will deal with this surprisingly, for me it hints at strength that she hasnt had before. I dont believe for a second she will just accept and move on from losing two of the most important people in her life but i welcome her being a leader and i think thats one of the positives that came out of her time with Damon, he made her strong .. this is my hope anyway
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Post by debbie on May 23, 2014 19:09:52 GMT -5
Yes to delena, the finale was an intro of what's to come for delena in s6... I agree that I think they showed us their worst, now it's time for their best upon Damon's return -yes, I think Enzo and ric will be leading the search and rescue team (that's why I think Enzo sticks around), but in secret, ric will try and leave the rest of the gang to try and move on...Stefan I agree will spiral a bit (day drinker, and yes I agree a bit more like Damon) and Elena will concentrate on helping the people around her (mostly Jeremy, Stefan and Alaric) as a way of coping with what she lost-when Enzo and ric get closer, only then will Elena be included in the search Do you think Enzo and Alaric will become friends? I think they will hate each other lol but obviously they could still towards a common goal Oh no I absolutely don't think,Enzo and ric will be best buds, can you imagine? I think they will be forced to work together for, like you said, a common goal, and become more at odds the more time they spend together. I think their frenemy status will turn to enemies by the time they get Damon back. They are way too different and will get under eachothers skin. Dont forget, ric is a vampire hunter, instinctually he'll want to kill Enzo without any prior relationship.
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Post by Andrew55 on May 23, 2014 20:15:14 GMT -5
Delena definitely had happy moments but I think as a whole they always had this looming doubt and negative tone overshadow their relationship whether that be bc they were all consumed with each other or b/c they had constant judgment from all sides... And in a way I agree with you but I also disagree bc this was not at all their best for a lot of the reasons you stated.. For me simply making someone happy for a time doesnt make it the best of a relationship which is why I dont think we've seen it yet.. Rose's comment was far more than that and I see it as far more extreme ends of the scale than season 5 was... Season 5 for me was low, even as a Delena fan I didnt appreciate their relationship like I should have after so many seasons of waiting, but I have hope and saw hints at how amazing it could be if they both grew as people... They were co-dependent and not at their best, this is exactly why I believe once they go through this hard time and grow on their own as individuals, it will only make them better for each other. This time apart in death will make them more well rounded and dont necessarily believe they will get back together as soon as Damon and Bonnie return either.. I think Damon will change a lot from this experience, I actually had a thought that Elena and Damon may move on for a time.. But having said that, the best of them is yet to come.. Death will change Damon I think in a really positive way.. The spoiler that states Elena will deal with this surprisingly, for me it hints at strength that she hasnt had before. I dont believe for a second she will just accept and move on from losing two of the most important people in her life but i welcome her being a leader and i think thats one of the positives that came out of her time with Damon, he made her strong .. this is my hope anyway I agree that their relationship had a negative tone when it came to how the other characters viewed it. And that was because of all the characters shared history with Damon and the things he has done to all of them and the fact that they saw how Elena's personality was changing. But I just don't see S6 being a completely happy season for Delena. Without drama or heartache, what would this show even be? Even when Damon comes back, I don't think things are going to go smoothly or be wonderful for Delena. Something will happen to cause angst or drama. I hope death changes Damon in a positive way but i guess I will just have to see it to believe it. I'm not saying it can't happen though. I think the only surprising way that Elena could really deal with it would be to move on and start a new life. But that is just my opinion. I think Stefan is the one that is going to have a hard time coping. Either way....I think the group is going to be estranged from one another when we come back in S6.
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Post by leelala on May 23, 2014 22:08:33 GMT -5
Delena definitely had happy moments but I think as a whole they always had this looming doubt and negative tone overshadow their relationship whether that be bc they were all consumed with each other or b/c they had constant judgment from all sides... And in a way I agree with you but I also disagree bc this was not at all their best for a lot of the reasons you stated.. For me simply making someone happy for a time doesnt make it the best of a relationship which is why I dont think we've seen it yet.. Rose's comment was far more than that and I see it as far more extreme ends of the scale than season 5 was... Season 5 for me was low, even as a Delena fan I didnt appreciate their relationship like I should have after so many seasons of waiting, but I have hope and saw hints at how amazing it could be if they both grew as people... They were co-dependent and not at their best, this is exactly why I believe once they go through this hard time and grow on their own as individuals, it will only make them better for each other. This time apart in death will make them more well rounded and dont necessarily believe they will get back together as soon as Damon and Bonnie return either.. I think Damon will change a lot from this experience, I actually had a thought that Elena and Damon may move on for a time.. But having said that, the best of them is yet to come.. Death will change Damon I think in a really positive way.. The spoiler that states Elena will deal with this surprisingly, for me it hints at strength that she hasnt had before. I dont believe for a second she will just accept and move on from losing two of the most important people in her life but i welcome her being a leader and i think thats one of the positives that came out of her time with Damon, he made her strong .. this is my hope anyway I agree that their relationship had a negative tone when it came to how the other characters viewed it. And that was because of all the characters shared history with Damon and the things he has done to all of them and the fact that they saw how Elena's personality was changing. But I just don't see S6 being a completely happy season for Delena. Without drama or heartache, what would this show even be? Even when Damon comes back, I don't think things are going to go smoothly or be wonderful for Delena. Something will happen to cause angst or drama. I hope death changes Damon in a positive way but i guess I will just have to see it to believe it. I'm not saying it can't happen though. I think the only surprising way that Elena could really deal with it would be to move on and start a new life. But that is just my opinion. I think Stefan is the one that is going to have a hard time coping. Either way....I think the group is going to be estranged from one another when we come back in S6. I agree, not only bc of the other characters but bc of the things that happened within their relationship as well... The lying for one and Damon had a lot of growing up to do with not putting so much pressure on Elena and being good for himself, not just her... And I dont think for a second it will be easy when Damon/Bonnie return, far from it but I'm prepared bc I do have that hope that they will find each other again... The shipper in me has hope lol I really look forward to Stefan's arc in S6, I honestly think its the most excited I've been for his character since it started.. I hope he doesnt completely lose it! I want a little bit of sass and denial, b/c I loved when PW played amnesia and Silas.. He does those really well
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Post by Andrew55 on May 24, 2014 0:13:56 GMT -5
I agree that their relationship had a negative tone when it came to how the other characters viewed it. And that was because of all the characters shared history with Damon and the things he has done to all of them and the fact that they saw how Elena's personality was changing. But I just don't see S6 being a completely happy season for Delena. Without drama or heartache, what would this show even be? Even when Damon comes back, I don't think things are going to go smoothly or be wonderful for Delena. Something will happen to cause angst or drama. I hope death changes Damon in a positive way but i guess I will just have to see it to believe it. I'm not saying it can't happen though. I think the only surprising way that Elena could really deal with it would be to move on and start a new life. But that is just my opinion. I think Stefan is the one that is going to have a hard time coping. Either way....I think the group is going to be estranged from one another when we come back in S6. I agree, not only bc of the other characters but bc of the things that happened within their relationship as well... The lying for one and Damon had a lot of growing up to do with not putting so much pressure on Elena and being good for himself, not just her... And I dont think for a second it will be easy when Damon/Bonnie return, far from it but I'm prepared bc I do have that hope that they will find each other again... The shipper in me has hope lol I really look forward to Stefan's arc in S6, I honestly think its the most excited I've been for his character since it started.. I hope he doesnt completely lose it! I want a little bit of sass and denial, b/c I loved when PW played amnesia and Silas.. He does those really well Hey it's okay to have hope. If we don't have hope for our favorite characters and/or ships then why are we watching? I am excited for Stefan's potential arc too. I just hope they let him actually have an arc because it seems like the last few seasons he has been more of a background character and that should never be the case with any one of the trio. But i do have hope he will have a good story line. I'm glad you are prepared for some angst and drama for Delena when Damon does return. We have no idea where Elena is going to be emotionally when S6 premieres. If we are to believe Julie, the time jump between seasons is going to be significant. What that means to me is it's going to be, at the very least, months after the S5 finale....possibly longer. Who knows what shape Elena is going to be in? Julie also said that how Elena is dealing/coping with things will be surprising. So I don't see her grieving and depressed because that would be predictable and contradict what Julie said. I have feeling that Stefan is going to be really damaged. Maybe even dark. I think he is going to blame himself for not saving Damon and accidentally crossing over prematurely. I think we should put an over/under on how many episodes it is going to take for Damon to return to the land of the living. My guess is around 5 episodes at least.
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Post by Kiki on May 24, 2014 1:47:43 GMT -5
i'm sure Damon's death is the end of Delena for now. julie once said this show is was and will always be about the lovetriangle. we had 2 seasons of delena now and it's about time to shift it towards stelena again. i really really doubt they will suddenly change the main theme of the show because some very loud fans are trying to force them to do so. right now i have no idea how they will repair elenas character and make them fall in love again but i'm sure it will happen. they used the sirebond to stop their love so suddenly and they will use damons death to turn it on as suddenly
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Post by leelala on May 24, 2014 2:00:07 GMT -5
I agree, not only bc of the other characters but bc of the things that happened within their relationship as well... The lying for one and Damon had a lot of growing up to do with not putting so much pressure on Elena and being good for himself, not just her... And I dont think for a second it will be easy when Damon/Bonnie return, far from it but I'm prepared bc I do have that hope that they will find each other again... The shipper in me has hope lol I really look forward to Stefan's arc in S6, I honestly think its the most excited I've been for his character since it started.. I hope he doesnt completely lose it! I want a little bit of sass and denial, b/c I loved when PW played amnesia and Silas.. He does those really well Hey it's okay to have hope. If we don't have hope for our favorite characters and/or ships then why are we watching? I am excited for Stefan's potential arc too. I just hope they let him actually have an arc because it seems like the last few seasons he has been more of a background character and that should never be the case with any one of the trio. But i do have hope he will have a good story line. I'm glad you are prepared for some angst and drama for Delena when Damon does return. We have no idea where Elena is going to be emotionally when S6 premieres. If we are to believe Julie, the time jump between seasons is going to be significant. What that means to me is it's going to be, at the very least, months after the S5 finale....possibly longer. Who knows what shape Elena is going to be in? Julie also said that how Elena is dealing/coping with things will be surprising. So I don't see her grieving and depressed because that would be predictable and contradict what Julie said. I have feeling that Stefan is going to be really damaged. Maybe even dark. I think he is going to blame himself for not saving Damon and accidentally crossing over prematurely. I think we should put an over/under on how many episodes it is going to take for Damon to return to the land of the living. My guess is around 5 episodes at least. Very nicely said Yep Stefan is definitely going to feel the guilt and I think he may be the worse off out of everyone... I think the brothers have officially proved themselves to really do anything for each other and love each other unconditionally.. I seriously hope that season 6 is more about their relationship than anything else... I'm not satisfied with only a couple Defan episodes every season so it would be a nice change.. Now I have no idea yet how many episodes Damon and Bonnie will be gone for, but i'd be happy with 5.. Will see how i feel once the season starts though lol
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Post by debbie on May 24, 2014 4:15:14 GMT -5
I agree, not only bc of the other characters but bc of the things that happened within their relationship as well... The lying for one and Damon had a lot of growing up to do with not putting so much pressure on Elena and being good for himself, not just her... And I dont think for a second it will be easy when Damon/Bonnie return, far from it but I'm prepared bc I do have that hope that they will find each other again... The shipper in me has hope lol I really look forward to Stefan's arc in S6, I honestly think its the most excited I've been for his character since it started.. I hope he doesnt completely lose it! I want a little bit of sass and denial, b/c I loved when PW played amnesia and Silas.. He does those really well Hey it's okay to have hope. If we don't have hope for our favorite characters and/or ships then why are we watching? I am excited for Stefan's potential arc too. I just hope they let him actually have an arc because it seems like the last few seasons he has been more of a background character and that should never be the case with any one of the trio. But i do have hope he will have a good story line. I'm glad you are prepared for some angst and drama for Delena when Damon does return. We have no idea where Elena is going to be emotionally when S6 premieres. If we are to believe Julie, the time jump between seasons is going to be significant. What that means to me is it's going to be, at the very least, months after the S5 finale....possibly longer. Who knows what shape Elena is going to be in? Julie also said that how Elena is dealing/coping with things will be surprising. So I don't see her grieving and depressed because that would be predictable and contradict what Julie said. I have feeling that Stefan is going to be really damaged. Maybe even dark. I think he is going to blame himself for not saving Damon and accidentally crossing over prematurely. I think we should put an over/under on how many episodes it is going to take for Damon to return to the land of the living. My guess is around 5 episodes at least. Im really confident Elena will come back the new and improved Elena. With ric and Jeremy's help over the months between seasons, Elena find a way to pull herself together (with help of those around her) and really find herself and inner strength to become a more powerful, confident and more helpful person. S4 and s5 was about Elena being in a new place in her life and learning how to be this thing she never wanted to be, part of her demise was because she never really accepted being a vampire and never really learned to do it right or embrace it...I for one think she did the best she could under the circumstances, but yes, she is still lost. Unlike most, I don't think all of her demise can be put on Damon, he helped her as much as hurt her...personally i think her confusion and being lost was due to her death, being this new creature, I question how influenced by Damon she really was. People say becoming a vampire doesn't change you just brings out what's already There and enlarges them, it's possible in Elena's case some of the darkness she's been holding onto was too hard to keep inside anymore. Her change to me has not been all bad, not by a long shot. Yes, she has her moments of selfishness that we haven't seen before, I also see a confidence and sense of self and I like that about her. In any case, I'm hoping time alone will give her a chance to find herself again and bring out more of the good and less of the confusing parts. My hope is that she will be the heroin we've all seen in her before.
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Post by stelena4ever on May 24, 2014 12:55:06 GMT -5
Andrew55 can I like your post twice??? This is exactly what makes sense. The spoilers said Elena will react to Damon's death in a way nobody is expecting. I get a feeling that she will be free of the sirebond or Damon-addiction and realize that she lost herself. Just like she feared when she became a vampire. She became the person she didn't want to become and she lost herself and now that Damon is gone she has a clear mind and can see past him and realize how much she changed and how much she became what she never wanted to be. I think there is still hope for our heroine With Damon gone I think Elena will finally become the heroine we fell in love with in S1. Being with Damon changed Elena and not for the good. IMHO the way Elena was acting sometimes was just like Katherine.
When Elena lost Jeremy in S4 we all saw how she reacted and now we are made to believe Elena would just get into a car not knowing if she would make it or not. Elena never once thought of Jeremy. The writers need to give us our heroine back.
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Post by Kiki on May 24, 2014 13:02:50 GMT -5
Andrew55 can I like your post twice??? This is exactly what makes sense. The spoilers said Elena will react to Damon's death in a way nobody is expecting. I get a feeling that she will be free of the sirebond or Damon-addiction and realize that she lost herself. Just like she feared when she became a vampire. She became the person she didn't want to become and she lost herself and now that Damon is gone she has a clear mind and can see past him and realize how much she changed and how much she became what she never wanted to be. I think there is still hope for our heroine With Damon gone I think Elena will finally become the heroine we fell in love with in S1. Being with Damon changed Elena and not for the good. IMHO the way Elena was acting sometimes was just like Katherine.
When Elena lost Jeremy in S4 we all saw how she reacted and now we are made to believe Elena would just get into a car not knowing if she would make it or not. Elena never once thought of Jeremy. The writers need to give us our heroine back. yes there were so many things that were so obvious and this has to be what the writers are going to show. First Elena didn't want to become a vampire and she didn't want to become this other person. She broke apart when Jeremy died. Now she thinks being a vampire is the most awesome thing and she had no reaction to the fact that Damon tried to kill Jeremy and killed Aaron. And to top it all she didn't even think about Jeremy when she killed herself only to die with Damon. Not even talking about how she treated stefan and her friends. It's about time they end this chapter and bring the heroine back
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Post by Kiki on May 24, 2014 13:16:50 GMT -5
moshe12 I think Elena lost all her emotions. She's so shallow and selfish. Where is the heroine that cared about all her friends and sacrificed her own happiness for them? She is so addicted to Damon that she forgot to care about others. Like Damon was so addicted to Katherine for over a century and didn't care for his brother or anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 14:14:18 GMT -5
moshe12 I think Elena lost all her emotions. She's so shallow and selfish. Where is the heroine that cared about all her friends and sacrificed her own happiness for them? She is so addicted to Damon that she forgot to care about others. Like Damon was so addicted to Katherine for over a century and didn't care for his brother or anyone else. Idk...there is more to it than Damon, I mean I don't think it is all about Damon. I am reawatching season 3 and upwards til season 5 again now, so that I can understand things better. Something about her is so offputting and it started in season 3 already when she was not a vampire.
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Post by deb on May 24, 2014 19:16:11 GMT -5
This is the new thread, for season 6 theories and the right place to discuss season 6 spoilers. When you reply to someone, try to list the pros and cons of the theory and the reasons why you agree/disagree.
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Post by Kiki on May 25, 2014 2:59:34 GMT -5
So Charles Michael Davis confirmed at a convention in Paris that The Originals filmed the first 3 episodes of season 2 already because there are TVD characters in them. So they did it because of the schedule. Any idea which TVD characters this could be? I know Paul and Phoebe went to Mexico for vacation right after TVD wrapped and Phoebe returned to Atlanta but Paul went to LA. I don't know how long he stayed there maybe he was back in Atlanta for episode 2... Ian was on an island and in Brasil doing ISF stuff and also in Brüssel for a convention. If he'd be in one of the episodes it would be such a short appearance that they wouldn't have needed to film it now already since he could have done it between TVD shootings in July. Nina was filming a movie in Baton Rouge.... Candice was in LA and on vacation somewhere. But still enough time to film some short scenes in Atlanta. I have no idea where Kat Graham was but Zach posted some photos of himself working at home. Michael Malarkey was in London all the time so no Enzo. What about Trevino?
What can happen on both shows that will cause a crossover? The one thing both were talking about is that the other side was falling apart. The New Orleans witches still have their power, right? Maybe the Mystic Falls friends go to New Orleans to ask for help? Stefan asking his buddy Klaus to help winning back Mystic Falls?
What do you think?
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Post by wednesday on May 25, 2014 3:14:14 GMT -5
Kiki I would love for it to be Stefan and Caroline!! We never got to see any scenes of Klaus and Stefan before Klaus left town or when he came back so I would love to see them together again. Stefan could ask the witches for help since we don't have any in MF at the moment. Caroline could be there for moral support for him. They said that Nate is back on TO now, but is he back just as a guest or as a regular I wonder? You think it could be Jeremy going there trying to get help to search for Bonnie. They did say that some of them won't be able to let things go. I could see Jeremy being that person.
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