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Post by shoe20 on May 21, 2014 19:56:30 GMT -5
Too bad I would have paid good money to see the famous shirt And actually, not sure if you're right on that-Stefan got screwed in the worst way-his brother and best friend died permeantly, can you be screwed any worse? Point taken...I didn't say Stefan was escapeing a screwing....but something tells me it's a little better to be missing the dead..... .than dead.
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Post by katvolley13 on May 21, 2014 22:32:34 GMT -5
Too bad I would have paid good money to see the famous shirt And actually, not sure if you're right on that-Stefan got screwed in the worst way-his brother and best friend died permeantly, can you be screwed any worse? Omg I want a katherine welcome to hell shirt Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
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Post by shoe20 on May 22, 2014 10:48:18 GMT -5
moshe12, I'm almost confident writers won't take Caroline and Stefan to the bedroom. It's much more likely IMO that her fling is with Enzo....I keep asking myself what is Enzo going to do as a regular. He's got no buds or purpose in the SL now that Damon is dead. So I think his mission will be Carolines's boy-toy, and of course Stefan will have a problem with it. (but a short one) There's one thing TVD writers like as much as parallel story lines, and that's misdirection. lol They dropped hints hot and heave this season about putting Car with Stef together and weren't very sneaky about it. Then Lexi in the finale.....All I'm saying is they never follow through on foreshadowing, at least not often. I'm surprised no one is commenting on the very real possibility of Bamon. I think this is a done deal. Mutual survival will lead them to romance, and will provide an awkward moments for both when they come back .... with Elena and Jeremy. (it would be simple to write for TVD....you just have to look at the present story line and say "how can we F this up" or "what would cause the most misery?")
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 11:52:33 GMT -5
moshe12, I'm almost confident writers won't take Caroline and Stefan to the bedroom. It's much more likely IMO that her fling is with Enzo....I keep asking myself what is Enzo going to do as a regular. He's got no buds or purpose in the SL now that Damon is dead. So I think his mission will be Carolines's boy-toy, and of course Stefan will have a problem with it. (but a short one) There's one thing TVD writers like as much as parallel story lines, and that's misdirection. lol They dropped hints hot and heave this season about putting Car with Stef together and weren't very sneaky about it. Then Lexi in the finale.....All I'm saying is they never follow through on foreshadowing, at least not often. I'm surprised no one is commenting on the very real possibility of Bamon. I think this is a done deal. Mutual survival will lead them to romance, and will provide an awkward moments for both when they come back .... with Elena and Jeremy. (it would be simple to write for TVD....you just have to look at the present story line and say "how can we F this up" or "what would cause the most misery?") so what do you think of Enzo? I think he is a big pain in the a**, BUT he does have his moments and I think he was hurt that his supposed best friend left him in the cell to burn alive...but why he pulled that stunt and killed himself and then whined all about wanting to come back is a big mystery to me. I have to admit that I like his snarky snarky oneliners "See you around gorgeous" or "Bring out the popcorn blondie" I almost rolled on the floor when Damon called him Mr Butterfingers and he replied Mr Grumpypants. I guess he will also be there in se 6 for a bit comic relief and a romance or affair with Caro, possibly a conflict and frenemy situation with Alaric...who knows but the writers and sometimes I think even they don't know
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Post by shoe20 on May 22, 2014 12:08:06 GMT -5
moshe12, I'm almost confident writers won't take Caroline and Stefan to the bedroom. It's much more likely IMO that her fling is with Enzo....I keep asking myself what is Enzo going to do as a regular. He's got no buds or purpose in the SL now that Damon is dead. So I think his mission will be Carolines's boy-toy, and of course Stefan will have a problem with it. (but a short one) There's one thing TVD writers like as much as parallel story lines, and that's misdirection. lol They dropped hints hot and heave this season about putting Car with Stef together and weren't very sneaky about it. Then Lexi in the finale.....All I'm saying is they never follow through on foreshadowing, at least not often. I'm surprised no one is commenting on the very real possibility of Bamon. I think this is a done deal. Mutual survival will lead them to romance, and will provide an awkward moments for both when they come back .... with Elena and Jeremy. (it would be simple to write for TVD....you just have to look at the present story line and say "how can we F this up" or "what would cause the most misery?") so what do you think of Enzo? I think he is a big pain in the a**, BUT he does have his moments and I think he was hurt that his supposed best friend left him in the cell to burn alive...but why he pulled that stunt and killed himself and then whined all about wanting to come back is a big mystery to me. I have to admit that I like his snarky snarky oneliners "See you around gorgeous" or "Bring out the popcorn blondie" I almost rolled on the floor when Damon called him Mr Butterfingers and he replied Mr Grumpypants Really not an Enzo fan.... he was (and is) just a plot device to move the story. I really don't see how he could forgive Damon for letting him burn alive, when the guy with the key to the cell was in the room at Damon's feet. TVD is really inconsistent about our vamps reaction to vervain... Stefan can fall in a well and survive, but Damon can't touch the bars to Enzo's cell. The slightest drop in their mouth and their violently ill, but they can be tied up for hours with vervain ropes. lol Didn't mean to get off on a tangent. Enzo's one liners on the other hand are usually very entertaining. "don't have to tell me twice" I honestly never got his death by Stefan move....It seem to me if he wanted to get to Damon he would have just staked Elena. The eye of an eye thing. What do you think about my Bamon theory...any chance?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 12:40:48 GMT -5
so what do you think of Enzo? I think he is a big pain in the a**, BUT he does have his moments and I think he was hurt that his supposed best friend left him in the cell to burn alive...but why he pulled that stunt and killed himself and then whined all about wanting to come back is a big mystery to me. I have to admit that I like his snarky snarky oneliners "See you around gorgeous" or "Bring out the popcorn blondie" I almost rolled on the floor when Damon called him Mr Butterfingers and he replied Mr Grumpypants Really not an Enzo fan.... he was (and is) just a plot device to move the story. I really don't see how he could forgive Damon for letting him burn alive, when the guy with the key to the cell was in the room at Damon's feet. TVD is really inconsistent about our vamps reaction to vervain... Stefan can fall in a well and survive, but Damon can't touch the bars to Enzo's cell. The slightest drop in their mouth and their violently ill, but they can be tied up for hours with vervain ropes. lol Didn't mean to get off on a tangent. Enzo's one liners on the other hand are usually very entertaining. "don't have to tell me twice" I honestly never got his death by Stefan move....It seem to me if he wanted to get to Damon he would have just staked Elena. The eye of an eye thing. What do you think about my Bamon theory...any chance? Bamon...never really thought of it and BTW I only read the TVD books up to volume 4. Personally I am a Beremy fan, and I really suffered with my boy when he ran through the forest and screamed for his Bonnie. I just love those two together BUT NOW the circumstances have changed, they are in different dimensions and we don't even know yet what happened to them, so they will be spending alot of time together, like a whole lot of time They do have strange chemistry together...and the very end showing them holding hands might implicate a SL in that direction. I don't really know if I would be happy with it, guess we might find that out when we watch them interact in future.
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Post by shoe20 on May 22, 2014 12:49:19 GMT -5
I did like Beremy too... moshe12. On that subject Jeremy has been given the nasty end of the stick the entire series. He's been treated almost as bad as Stefan. Nothing ever seems to work out in a positive way for Jeremy. I don't think he'll even be able to see this ghost girlfriend.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 12:55:49 GMT -5
I did like Beremy too... moshe12. On that subject Jeremy has been given the nasty end of the stick the entire series. He's been treated almost as bad as Stefan. Nothing ever seems to work out in a positive way for Jeremy. I don't think he'll even be able to see this ghost girlfriend. I cried and cried when they had their last conversation over mobile! and she said she loves him etc. With Jeremy it is strange ...you know like he's my TVD son, on VDN I once wrote i just want to cook him a chicken soup and a hot cocoa and send him to bed. And tell him this is all just a nightmare. In addition he does remind me of my nephew. HE HAS LOST EVERYONE except that idiot sister aka cousin of his. And she's not a big help either right now is she?
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Post by shoe20 on May 22, 2014 13:05:52 GMT -5
I did like Beremy too... moshe12. On that subject Jeremy has been given the nasty end of the stick the entire series. He's been treated almost as bad as Stefan. Nothing ever seems to work out in a positive way for Jeremy. I don't think he'll even be able to see this ghost girlfriend. I cried and cried when they had their last conversation over mobile! and she said she loves him etc. With Jeremy it is strange ...you know like he's my TVD son, on VDN I once wrote i just want to cook him a chicken soup and a hot cocoa and send him to bed. And tell him this is all just a nightmare. In addition he does remind me of my nephew. HE HAS LOST EVERYONE except that idiot sister aka cousin of his. And she's not a big help either right now is she? Hey, he did lose his sister this season.....She had no idea what was going on in his life or at school. She still doesn't know Damon and Enzo kidnapped, tortured, and killed him. That's pretty much a total breakdown in communication.....Enough to make Jeremy move out. It's cool you identify with him on the show. Steven must feel a lot of pressure trying to follow in his dad's shoes. =)
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Post by leelala on May 22, 2014 23:55:44 GMT -5
Just weighing in on my thoughts for season 6 and really enjoyed reading everyone elses opinions I truly hope Elena will come out of this strong and determined to find Damon and Bonnie, as a Delena fan and a fan of Bonnie/Elena friendship I wouldnt be satisfied if she just accepted what happened and moved on but having said that, I do not want to see a miserable, useless Elena either... I hope she really takes the lead and since the spoilers have mentioned she will help Alaric through his tough time dealing with being a super vamp hunter I can see this as a possibility... Jeremy I think will be finding it really hard to deal with losing Bonnie (i love Beremy) so it will be nice to see Elena be strong for them both without losing hope of finding some way to save Damon and Bonnie... I have a feeling Stefan will be in denial but also trying to hide his grief by maybe acting out! PW always enjoys playing a lighter version of Stefan and makes fun of when he has to be miserable so maybe he will get to play a bit more like Damon.. ? Caroline will accept the loss as will Matt and Tyler.. I can see Caroline trying to be there for Stefan but maybe it will be difficult b/c he's lost without his brother? Enzo coming in as a season regular is a little strange, it feels like they are trying to replace season 1 Damon with Enzo but I cant find a logical reason for him to be hanging around? So maybe he does feel guilt for Damon not making it back so he will try to help find a way?? Doesnt make sense otherwise.. Regarding Delena... Although their relationship has been said to be 'toxic' so many times this season I cant help but keep going back to what Rose said to Jeremy in season 3, "Damon will either be the best thing for her or the worst" For me, i truly believe this whole mess of a season was to prove the worst part of their relationship but we are yet to see the best... I still have hope and think there is definitely a reason that comment was made.. When Damon returns I dont necessarily believe they will be together but I do think they will find their way back to each other..
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Post by debbie on May 23, 2014 2:11:47 GMT -5
Just weighing in on my thoughts for season 6 and really enjoyed reading everyone elses opinions I truly hope Elena will come out of this strong and determined to find Damon and Bonnie, as a Delena fan and a fan of Bonnie/Elena friendship I wouldnt be satisfied if she just accepted what happened and moved on but having said that, I do not want to see a miserable, useless Elena either... I hope she really takes the lead and since the spoilers have mentioned she will help Alaric through his tough time dealing with being a super vamp hunter I can see this as a possibility... Jeremy I think will be finding it really hard to deal with losing Bonnie (i love Beremy) so it will be nice to see Elena be strong for them both without losing hope of finding some way to save Damon and Bonnie... I have a feeling Stefan will be in denial but also trying to hide his grief by maybe acting out! PW always enjoys playing a lighter version of Stefan and makes fun of when he has to be miserable so maybe he will get to play a bit more like Damon.. ? Caroline will accept the loss as will Matt and Tyler.. I can see Caroline trying to be there for Stefan but maybe it will be difficult b/c he's lost without his brother? Enzo coming in as a season regular is a little strange, it feels like they are trying to replace season 1 Damon with Enzo but I cant find a logical reason for him to be hanging around? So maybe he does feel guilt for Damon not making it back so he will try to help find a way?? Doesnt make sense otherwise.. Regarding Delena... Although their relationship has been said to be 'toxic' so many times this season I cant help but keep going back to what Rose said to Jeremy in season 3, "Damon will either be the best thing for her or the worst" For me, i truly believe this whole mess of a season was to prove the worst part of their relationship but we are yet to see the best... I still have hope and think there is definitely a reason that comment was made.. When Damon returns I dont necessarily believe they will be together but I do think they will find their way back to each other.. Yes to delena, the finale was an intro of what's to come for delena in s6... I agree that I think they showed us their worst, now it's time for their best upon Damon's return -yes, I think Enzo and ric will be leading the search and rescue team (that's why I think Enzo sticks around), but in secret, ric will try and leave the rest of the gang to try and move on...Stefan I agree will spiral a bit (day drinker, and yes I agree a bit more like Damon) and Elena will concentrate on helping the people around her (mostly Jeremy, Stefan and Alaric) as a way of coping with what she lost-when Enzo and ric get closer, only then will Elena be included in the search
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Post by leelala on May 23, 2014 2:44:20 GMT -5
Just weighing in on my thoughts for season 6 and really enjoyed reading everyone elses opinions I truly hope Elena will come out of this strong and determined to find Damon and Bonnie, as a Delena fan and a fan of Bonnie/Elena friendship I wouldnt be satisfied if she just accepted what happened and moved on but having said that, I do not want to see a miserable, useless Elena either... I hope she really takes the lead and since the spoilers have mentioned she will help Alaric through his tough time dealing with being a super vamp hunter I can see this as a possibility... Jeremy I think will be finding it really hard to deal with losing Bonnie (i love Beremy) so it will be nice to see Elena be strong for them both without losing hope of finding some way to save Damon and Bonnie... I have a feeling Stefan will be in denial but also trying to hide his grief by maybe acting out! PW always enjoys playing a lighter version of Stefan and makes fun of when he has to be miserable so maybe he will get to play a bit more like Damon.. ? Caroline will accept the loss as will Matt and Tyler.. I can see Caroline trying to be there for Stefan but maybe it will be difficult b/c he's lost without his brother? Enzo coming in as a season regular is a little strange, it feels like they are trying to replace season 1 Damon with Enzo but I cant find a logical reason for him to be hanging around? So maybe he does feel guilt for Damon not making it back so he will try to help find a way?? Doesnt make sense otherwise.. Regarding Delena... Although their relationship has been said to be 'toxic' so many times this season I cant help but keep going back to what Rose said to Jeremy in season 3, "Damon will either be the best thing for her or the worst" For me, i truly believe this whole mess of a season was to prove the worst part of their relationship but we are yet to see the best... I still have hope and think there is definitely a reason that comment was made.. When Damon returns I dont necessarily believe they will be together but I do think they will find their way back to each other.. Yes to delena, the finale was an intro of what's to come for delena in s6... I agree that I think they showed us their worst, now it's time for their best upon Damon's return -yes, I think Enzo and ric will be leading the search and rescue team (that's why I think Enzo sticks around), but in secret, ric will try and leave the rest of the gang to try and move on...Stefan I agree will spiral a bit (day drinker, and yes I agree a bit more like Damon) and Elena will concentrate on helping the people around her (mostly Jeremy, Stefan and Alaric) as a way of coping with what she lost-when Enzo and ric get closer, only then will Elena be included in the search Do you think Enzo and Alaric will become friends? I think they will hate each other lol but obviously they could still towards a common goal
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Post by Andrew55 on May 23, 2014 16:12:11 GMT -5
Just weighing in on my thoughts for season 6 and really enjoyed reading everyone elses opinions I truly hope Elena will come out of this strong and determined to find Damon and Bonnie, as a Delena fan and a fan of Bonnie/Elena friendship I wouldnt be satisfied if she just accepted what happened and moved on but having said that, I do not want to see a miserable, useless Elena either... I hope she really takes the lead and since the spoilers have mentioned she will help Alaric through his tough time dealing with being a super vamp hunter I can see this as a possibility... Jeremy I think will be finding it really hard to deal with losing Bonnie (i love Beremy) so it will be nice to see Elena be strong for them both without losing hope of finding some way to save Damon and Bonnie... I have a feeling Stefan will be in denial but also trying to hide his grief by maybe acting out! PW always enjoys playing a lighter version of Stefan and makes fun of when he has to be miserable so maybe he will get to play a bit more like Damon.. ? Caroline will accept the loss as will Matt and Tyler.. I can see Caroline trying to be there for Stefan but maybe it will be difficult b/c he's lost without his brother? Enzo coming in as a season regular is a little strange, it feels like they are trying to replace season 1 Damon with Enzo but I cant find a logical reason for him to be hanging around? So maybe he does feel guilt for Damon not making it back so he will try to help find a way?? Doesnt make sense otherwise.. Regarding Delena... Although their relationship has been said to be 'toxic' so many times this season I cant help but keep going back to what Rose said to Jeremy in season 3, "Damon will either be the best thing for her or the worst" For me, i truly believe this whole mess of a season was to prove the worst part of their relationship but we are yet to see the best... I still have hope and think there is definitely a reason that comment was made.. When Damon returns I dont necessarily believe they will be together but I do think they will find their way back to each other.. Yes to delena, the finale was an intro of what's to come for delena in s6... I agree that I think they showed us their worst, now it's time for their best upon Damon's return -yes, I think Enzo and ric will be leading the search and rescue team (that's why I think Enzo sticks around), but in secret, ric will try and leave the rest of the gang to try and move on...Stefan I agree will spiral a bit (day drinker, and yes I agree a bit more like Damon) and Elena will concentrate on helping the people around her (mostly Jeremy, Stefan and Alaric) as a way of coping with what she lost-when Enzo and ric get closer, only then will Elena be included in the search Hmmm...I think season five showed exactly what Rose meant. You had Elena genuinely happy and loving life because Damon provided that for her. However, you also saw her personality change and she twisted her morals in order to be with Damon. That is what Rose meant, I believe. Damon challenged her and her beliefs about vampires. So much so that she went from not wanting to be a vampire to relishing in being one. He challenges her thoughts and ideas which helps her. However by being with him she had to warp her morals and due to that, her personality started to change. She lost who she was because of him. That is why she told Damon that their relationship was toxic and that things had to change. It think this is going to be a key issue with Delena going forward for the rest of the series or however long they stay together. Even in the finale, it showed both sides of the Delena relationship. The heartbreak and love they shared were positives but her willing to kill herself rather than not be with him is unhealthy. She gave no thought to how Jeremy would feel if the plan failed and she remained dead. She gave no thought to how Caroline and Matt would feel if she died. She didn't even seem to worry about Bonnie or Stefan but just about herself/Damon. That is what wrong about that relationship. Yes it provides passion, love and excitement but it also has made her and even Damon so codependent on one another and it really is unhealthy. Damon based all of his positive character development and happiness on Elena being in love with him. He needed her to be in love with him in order to make himself a better person. That is way too much pressure to put on someone and frankly made Damon look very weak. Elena has stopped worrying about her other loved ones and has become so "consumed" by Damon to the point that she had no real reaction to Stefan dying and then later Bonnie.
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Post by Kiki on May 23, 2014 16:25:35 GMT -5
Andrew55 can I like your post twice??? This is exactly what makes sense. The spoilers said Elena will react to Damon's death in a way nobody is expecting. I get a feeling that she will be free of the sirebond or Damon-addiction and realize that she lost herself. Just like she feared when she became a vampire. She became the person she didn't want to become and she lost herself and now that Damon is gone she has a clear mind and can see past him and realize how much she changed and how much she became what she never wanted to be. I think there is still hope for our heroine
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Post by Andrew55 on May 23, 2014 16:43:28 GMT -5
Andrew55 can I like your post twice??? This is exactly what makes sense. The spoilers said Elena will react to Damon's death in a way nobody is expecting. I get a feeling that she will be free of the sirebond or Damon-addiction and realize that she lost herself. Just like she feared when she became a vampire. She became the person she didn't want to become and she lost herself and now that Damon is gone she has a clear mind and can see past him and realize how much she changed and how much she became what she never wanted to be. I think there is still hope for our heroine Yeah Elena really did lose herself and it's not because she fell in love with Damon. It's because of how she let the love for him change her. This is not a slight on Delena at all but more of just an observation. Rose even said that Damon was either the best or worst thing for her. And I just think...this is what she is talking about. There are aspects about Damon and the relationship that are good for Elena but their are also aspects that are very bad. What I am hoping is that through this time jump Elena will grow as a person and not become so dependent on a romantic relationship. She needs to go back to being the Elena that is both caring/loving but also independent.
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