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Post by katvolley13 on May 27, 2014 6:34:53 GMT -5
Katherine! She caused so many ripples and almost always was a step ahead of everyone. She fooled the boys all the time.
Klaus will always be legend for tvd. They have not topped him yet.
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Post by debbie on May 27, 2014 7:49:47 GMT -5
I wanted to create a poll asking y'all which character you think is the biggest villain. I hope sincerely that I didn't forget anybody This is the first time that I have created a poll, so I hope it works. It would also be interesting if we could discuss why we voted as we did? I went with Esther because she's the most demented of the bunch, not only with her kids, but she messed with Alaric. She and Mikael truly deserve each other. I didn't choose Katherine or Klaus because we've seen different sides that humanize (vampirize) them for me, although they were both evil. Not as scary though; Esther scares me! Love that answer!
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Post by jennifer on May 27, 2014 17:51:05 GMT -5
Just a thought, is that a no? Sorry debbie, I thought it was a joke because of the way you phrased it, that he helped Caroline open her savings account as his villain move. I'm not in charge of additions, so not a no from me, although he had so little screen time, plus he was possessed when he was trying to chant. If you want him on there, keep trying!
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Post by jennifer on May 27, 2014 17:57:07 GMT -5
Katherine! She caused so many ripples and almost always was a step ahead of everyone. She fooled the boys all the time. Klaus will always be legend for tvd. They have not topped him yet. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards It's a hard choice because Katherine and Klaus did so many things across different seasons. The problem is I like both of them! Well, I was tired of Katherine by the end, still wish she'd died the first time, but both are so charming and have different sides to them. I picked Esther because there was nothing to counteract her evil deeds, but I thought long and hard before choosing.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 9:44:07 GMT -5
Katherine! She caused so many ripples and almost always was a step ahead of everyone. She fooled the boys all the time. Klaus will always be legend for tvd. They have not topped him yet. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards It's a hard choice because Katherine and Klaus did so many things across different seasons. The problem is I like both of them! Well, I was tired of Katherine by the end, still wish she'd died the first time, but both are so charming and have different sides to them. I picked Esther because there was nothing to counteract her evil deeds, but I thought long and hard before choosing. I was tired of Katherine, too. I still wish that, if they had to have Klaus there the day Elena got possessed, the least the writers could have done was have him intervene somehow. Elena being sealed up in a corpse was really harsh, but I guess it was necessary to make fans in general want to see Katherine gone forever. Esther's evil deeds were thwarted more than once by her own children, who she was trying to kill. As a villain, she's terrifying because of what she can do and the fact that she killed her children and keeps trying to kill them again. She's nothing but darkness, but even though she causes a lot of damage, she doesn't get what she wants. That's why the only reason I care to see her back from the dead is because there's a small chance that she'll finally be killed permanently and sucked into oblivion. Of course that might only work if someone destroys limbo. I've been saying for months that someone should remove the New Orleans witches' spirits from the equation. No spirits, no sacrifices, and possibly no more nasty witches. I know I'm talking about things happening on TO, but Esther was a TVD villain who has been brought onto TO. I don't know what TO writers will make her out to be. Hopefully she'll be dealt with at the end of the first five episodes. The best way to handle Esther's character is to bring her back long enough to end her story permanently so that the other characters can move forward. I think it'll be a long time before a villain comes along who can top Klaus. I'm not sure if TVD will even last that long. Julie Plec said in a recent interview that the show will probably go for seven seasons, and we're coming up on Season 6. Of course, things could change. Throughout the course of Season 6, JP might change her mind about the outcome of the show, or the actors might start to feel comfortable on the show again because the show is being taken back to what it was in the beginning. It's hard to say what'll happen.
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Post by jennifer on May 28, 2014 10:51:08 GMT -5
It's a hard choice because Katherine and Klaus did so many things across different seasons. The problem is I like both of them! Well, I was tired of Katherine by the end, still wish she'd died the first time, but both are so charming and have different sides to them. I picked Esther because there was nothing to counteract her evil deeds, but I thought long and hard before choosing. I was tired of Katherine, too. I still wish that, if they had to have Klaus there the day Elena got possessed, the least the writers could have done was have him intervene somehow. Esther's evil deeds were thwarted more than once by her own children, who she was trying to kill. As a villain, she's terrifying because of what she can do and the fact that she killed her children and keeps trying to kill them again. She's nothing but darkness, but even though she causes a lot of damage, she doesn't get what she wants. That's why the only reason I care to see her back from the dead is because there's a small chance that she'll finally be killed permanently and sucked into oblivion. Hi seiwriter! I cut some of your text to talk about a few specifics. Re: Klaus, I think he left MF quickly after his afternoon dalliance with Caroline. Elena was possessed in the evening. That's only a theory as they didn't show one way or the other (did they?). I agree completely with what you said about Esther - she wasn't successful and I'd love to see her gone, gone, gone. To me, that's a making of a good villian, if you want them to die a painful death - mwahahaha. Like Dr. Wes, he was so cold and mechanical I was sure he'd die painfully. His actual death squicked me out but he needed to die.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 11:18:45 GMT -5
I was tired of Katherine, too. I still wish that, if they had to have Klaus there the day Elena got possessed, the least the writers could have done was have him intervene somehow. Esther's evil deeds were thwarted more than once by her own children, who she was trying to kill. As a villain, she's terrifying because of what she can do and the fact that she killed her children and keeps trying to kill them again. She's nothing but darkness, but even though she causes a lot of damage, she doesn't get what she wants. That's why the only reason I care to see her back from the dead is because there's a small chance that she'll finally be killed permanently and sucked into oblivion. Hi seiwriter! I cut some of your text to talk about a few specifics. Re: Klaus, I think he left MF quickly after his afternoon dalliance with Caroline. Elena was possessed in the evening. That's only a theory as they didn't show one way or the other (did they?). I agree completely with what you said about Esther - she wasn't successful and I'd love to see her gone, gone, gone. To me, that's a making of a good villian, if you want them to die a painful death - mwahahaha. Like Dr. Wes, he was so cold and mechanical I was sure he'd die painfully. His actual death squicked me out but he needed to die. Speaking of Dr MacCreepenstein ... I forgot to add him to the list...my bad...he was just as you described...cold and mechanical, that was spot on description!!!
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Post by jennifer on May 28, 2014 11:47:34 GMT -5
Hi seiwriter! I cut some of your text to talk about a few specifics. Re: Klaus, I think he left MF quickly after his afternoon dalliance with Caroline. Elena was possessed in the evening. That's only a theory as they didn't show one way or the other (did they?). I agree completely with what you said about Esther - she wasn't successful and I'd love to see her gone, gone, gone. To me, that's a making of a good villian, if you want them to die a painful death - mwahahaha. Like Dr. Wes, he was so cold and mechanical I was sure he'd die painfully. His actual death squicked me out but he needed to die. Speaking of Dr MacCreepenstein ... I forgot to add him to the list...my bad...he was just as you described...cold and mechanical, that was spot on description!!! I noticed that moshe12! I went to look after writing, wondering if I'd missed Wes b/c he was very villiany
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:01:40 GMT -5
Speaking of Dr MacCreepenstein ... I forgot to add him to the list...my bad...he was just as you described...cold and mechanical, that was spot on description!!! I noticed that moshe12! I went to look after writing, wondering if I'd missed Wes b/c he was very villiany Forgive me ... I was very excited because it was a first poll I have created and so I completely must have forgotten him and then I had to think and remember all the villains of the last seasons ...oh well I just suppose this year really didn't stick that well But I had alot of fun doing it
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2014 12:15:27 GMT -5
Call me insane but I don't get the Esther is the ultimate baddie hate. Sure she wants to murder her children, but her rational isn't totally evil troll logic. She put forth a plague of vampyrism on this world that has wrought all kinds of death and destruction. All she wants to do is right her wrong. She should have never created what they became, and they should have died their natural deaths centuries ago. Don't get me wrong, I don't want that to happen because YAY ORIGINALS! But her reasoning behind her motives isn't pure evil. Think of her as the mother of serial killers. Would it make Ted Bundy's mom the embodiment of evil if she wished she could go back in time and smother little Ted before he had the chance to murder innocent women? Just food for thought. Advocatus Diaboli
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:26:07 GMT -5
I noticed that moshe12! I went to look after writing, wondering if I'd missed Wes b/c he was very villiany Forgive me ... I was very excited because it was a first poll I have created and so I completely must have forgotten him and then I had to think and remember all the villains of the last seasons ...oh well I just suppose this year really didn't stick that well But I had alot of fun doing it Your poll is great. You included villains that I didn't even think of. I didn't buy Wes as a villain because he was so ineffective and, like Caroline Dries said in an interview, vampires are supposed to be considered evil in the supernatural genre. It just so happens that right now, people enjoy shows where vampires are made out to be the good guys. Wes was put on the show to sort of add a new perspective, and Elena agreeing with Grayson Gilbert's desire to use vampires to save human lives sort of made me look at Augustine as something multifaceted. Something could have been done with Augustine if it had been run by someone who didn't want to torture vampires. The problem was, the writers didn't go in that direction. Instead, a backstory was devised that put Delena in the center of everything again, along with making Damon's character go backwards, something that a lot of fans did not like. After that huge mistake was made, killing Damon off was probably the most logical way to solve the problem. We don't know if he'll be coming back as anything but a ghost, and after Season 6, he could come back as a traveler and be played by a different actor for what JP indicated might be the show's final season. I think that what happened this season was that Julie Plec was spread thin with two new shows and she didn't have enough time to give TVD the proper oversight. I'm pretty sure that the final arc, the best part of the season after a long season that everyone hated, was dreamed up as a way to fix the problems created by her lack of focus. By the time the final arc was being written and filmed, I believe The Tomorrow People was done filming and not yet renewed, so JP had time to focus on TVD for a while and possibly solve some problems with TO as well. I noticed that both shows improved dramatically in their respective final arcs. Everything before that, on TO especially, was difficult to watch.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:28:31 GMT -5
Call me insane but I don't get the Esther is the ultimate baddie hate. Sure she wants to murder her children, but her rational isn't totally evil troll logic. She put forth a plague of vampyrism on this world that has wrought all kinds of death and destruction. All she wants to do is right her wrong. She should have never created what they became, and they should have died their natural deaths centuries ago. Don't get me wrong, I don't want that to happen because YAY ORIGINALS! But her reasoning behind her motives isn't pure evil. Think of her as the mother of serial killers. Would it make Ted Bundy's mom the embodiment of evil if she wished she could go back in time and smother little Ted before he had the chance to murder innocent women? Just food for thought. Advocatus Diaboli well she did have a few other skeletons in her closet... cheated on her husband, our precious Mikael, then when her cheating was outed with Klaus werewolf side outed via his first kill she turned her back on him, excuse me...she was the one that slept with a werewolf, not Klaus!!! She created this whole vampire mess in the first place ...remember Brianna telling her about "The makings of a plague" On a sidenote a good thing she did otherwise we wouldn't have our TVD and TO Correction: the witch friend was called Ayana! Then she turned our dear ALARIC crazy messing with his head each time he was dead. And turned him into an ultimate vampire hunting vampire like Mikael. Don't remember any other details right now, but I am presently watching season 3. Who knows if killing her children is her only agenda now in New Orleans, who knows ...she 's like Mrs. Goebbels who killed her 6 children in cold blood when she realized the German govt of 1933-45 failed and witnessed the downfall of the regime.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:37:00 GMT -5
@seiwriter jennifer crimmyjI had a hard time choosing between Mikael and Esther tbh. They are like partners in crime. of course in those days times were harsh and so was the upbringing in general, so our Originals aren't that unusual, but still. I had also considered taking Damon into the poll and the Ripper!!! But then I didn't want to add them to the poll for obvious reasons.
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Post by jennifer on May 28, 2014 12:44:27 GMT -5
I noticed that moshe12! I went to look after writing, wondering if I'd missed Wes b/c he was very villiany Forgive me ... I was very excited because it was a first poll I have created and so I completely must have forgotten him and then I had to think and remember all the villains of the last seasons ...oh well I just suppose this year really didn't stick that well But I had alot of fun doing it It's a good poll, thanks for making it moshe12. Hard choices. I understand why this year was a blur.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 13:31:36 GMT -5
@seiwriter jennifer crimmyjI had a hard time choosing between Mikael and Esther tbh. They are like partners in crime. of course in those days times were harsh and so was the upbringing in general, so our Originals aren't that unusual, but still. I had also considered taking Damon into the poll and the Ripper!!! But then I didn't want to add them to the poll for obvious reasons. Damon and Ripper were both villains in early seasons, so adding them would have been understandable. At least that's my point of view. What's interesting about Mikael is that TO started to show him as a victim just as much as a villain. After it was suggested that Mikael might have been broken by his own father or someone else in his life before he had children, a new dimension was added to Mikael's character. It's hard for me to see Mikael and Esther as partners in crime until it actually happens. For all I know, Esther made Alaric a super-vampire-hunter, rather than simply resurrecting Mikael, because Mikael would have a personal axe to grind with her. She did turn Mikael into a blood-sucking fiend, even if he does only drink vampire blood. Mikael is now doomed to live on blood and hunt his children. In Season 2 of TO, Davina is supposedly going to explore further what drives Mikael. It would be cool if in the end of their time together, they end up in a different place emotionally, as if they somehow both hurt and helped each other. Marcel convinced himself and Davina that he loved Davina as a daughter even though he really just wanted to use her, but Davina has the upper hand with Mikael and both of these characters are emotionally broken and stuck in an attic together. They're probably going to be in each other's heads for months by the time Season 2 starts. If I had to choose between Mikael and Esther on the subject of the biggest villain, I would choose Esther. She made herself become a very dark witch by destroying her family the way she did, and with every new act against her children she brings herself closer to the deep void that Katherine got sucked into.
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