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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 13:20:59 GMT -5
Stefan's death isn't permanent until his spirit is swept away or the Other Side disappears completely. Since we were told that deaths would be permanent after the end of this season, fans are getting worked up every time something happens to a character they like, as if having that character around is a matter of life or death for them. I think this was why Paul Wesley and Michael Trevino decided to joke around a little bit. They're trying to keep things light while they have to endure a lot of harassment. They're actually getting death threats, and there's no excuse for that.
It's been established in multiple spoilers that things will be done to save Stefan. Damon, on the other hand, is supposed to die very close to the cliffhanger, which will probably be when the Other Side disappears and there will be no more resurrections. The fact that Delena is suddenly a happy relationship should have tipped people off that those two are about to get ripped apart. It's been said many times that relationships, especially ones in which the characters find themselves in a good place, never last long in this genre. Whether Ian Somerhalder will stay on the show is anyone's guess. I don't think any contracts are as iron-tight as people who haven't read them believe them to be. I have not heard the rumor that Paul Wesley said that the show is going to end soon. That's probably something that a blogger alleged while paraphrasing an interview conducted by a more credible source. This happens often. It's one of the many major setbacks of the internet.
I'm sure that a lot of characters will die before the finale is over, and there will be all kinds of sacrificing/resurrections while the other characters figure out who to save, or how to save as many of their friends as possible before it's too late. Something Markos said to Damon about travelers led me to believe that the writers might have something up their sleeves that will make a character death seem small in comparison, at least to me. I'm not concerned with who will live, who will die, and who is leaving the show. I like the show and I'm very interested to see where all of this goes. If both Stefan and Damon have to die to finally end that love triangle and make it convincing, I don't have a problem with that. The books revolved around the love triangle, but the show has successfully deviated from the books many times before, and I don't see why one or two characters have to be around just to make stories interesting.
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Post by Kiki on May 9, 2014 13:32:22 GMT -5
Stefan's death isn't permanent until his spirit is swept away or the Other Side disappears completely. Since we were told that deaths would be permanent after the end of this season, fans are getting worked up every time something happens to a character they like, as if having that character around is a matter of life or death for them. I think this was why Paul Wesley and Michael Trevino decided to joke around a little bit. They're trying to keep things light while they have to endure a lot of harassment. They're actually getting death threats, and there's no excuse for that. It's been established in multiple spoilers that things will be done to save Stefan. Damon, on the other hand, is supposed to die very close to the cliffhanger, which will probably be when the Other Side disappears and there will be no more resurrections. The fact that Delena is suddenly a happy relationship should have tipped people off that those two are about to get ripped apart. It's been said many times that relationships, especially ones in which the characters find themselves in a good place, never last long in this genre. Whether Ian Somerhalder will stay on the show is anyone's guess. I don't think any contracts are as iron-tight as people who haven't read them believe them to be. I have not heard the rumor that Paul Wesley said that the show is going to end soon. That's probably something that a blogger alleged while paraphrasing an interview conducted by a more credible source. This happens often. It's one of the many major setbacks of the internet. I'm sure that a lot of characters will die before the finale is over, and there will be all kinds of sacrificing/resurrections while the other characters figure out who to save, or how to save as many of their friends as possible before it's too late. Something Markos said to Damon about travelers led me to believe that the writers might have something up their sleeves that will make a character death seem small in comparison, at least to me. I'm not concerned with who will live, who will die, and who is leaving the show. I like the show and I'm very interested to see where all of this goes. If both Stefan and Damon have to die to finally end that love triangle and make it convincing, I don't have a problem with that. The books revolved around the love triangle, but the show has successfully deviated from the books many times before, and I don't see why one or two characters have to be around just to make stories interesting. I saw the interview with Paul where he said that TVD will end soon. It was a video and he was talking about his movie Before I disapear. He was talking about his career as a producer and said that he was too busy with TVD before but since the show will end soon he is ready to move on with producing movies and directing shows. Maybe he didn't mean the whole TVD show but only his part in it though
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Post by Kiki on May 9, 2014 13:59:48 GMT -5
I hated this episode because there were just too many plot holes and I had no reaction to Stefan's death. I understand that sometimes you need to need to just forget about some things just to move the story along but this episode had too many. Bonnie not telling anyone about the disintegration of the other side put all her friends in MF at risk. Keeping this information to herself to 'protect' Jeremy was stupid and not something that Bonnie would normally do. Ruby brought up this point during the chat, how can witch magic being taken away destroy the other side when Quetsiyah, a traveler, created it so Markos is against his own pure magic. If in fact Q created the other side with other magic (like Grams and Bonnie's magic) then the writers did not explain this properly. When Q came back as Tessa she said she was a powerful witch but it was clear that she was practicing a different magic then Bonnie because Tessa needs herbs and the necklace to get strength. Damon in last week's episode had Luke try to find Enzo but no one tried looking for the doppels for 4 days? And Luke and Liv had the power to find them because they did find them when they crashed their truck. Also Damon only wants Enzo back? What about his drinking buddy Alaric? Rose? Mason? In all these cases Damon either indirectly or directly caused their deaths but he feels no sense of duty to bring them back, only Enzo? Are covens invisible now? Or is there not enough money in the budget to hire other actors to play the witches in Luke and Liv's coven. The scary shaking table and migraine pain for Luke by 'the coven' seemed silly. If the travelers are willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause why was Julian so upset that his wife was dead? Why was Maria so willing to sacrifice everything the travelers are doing for her hubby? Stefan dying had no impact on me. There was no heroic moment for Stefan. No sacrificing himself to save Elena especially when the twins were trying to kill Elena Stefan barely protested. I get it that they want to show that Stefan is moving on but even as friends Stefan would have done more to protect her (or any of his friends). Even Caroline screaming for help came across as stupid. She knows that Jeremy and Matt and then Damon and Elena have taken off already so who does she think can help her? And what happened to her cell phone? Did Markos' plan including cutting cell reception as well as blocking magic? Then the icing on the crap cake of an episode was the DE kiss. Why break them up? No one has come between them except themselves. The triangle is non existent right now even if Stefan looked heart broken when he saw them kiss because Elena only wants to be friends with him. Worst scene of the show in TVD history was Elena hoisting her boobs to get a lift. WTF WRITERS! let me just add a few plot holes: 1. Jeremy and Matt were saved by magic from their rings several times. Will they die, too? 2. Uncle John died via magic when he gave his life to Elena. Will he be the only one living? 3. What about werwolfs? How were they created? They are supernatural so there must have been magic involved....
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 15:48:18 GMT -5
I saw the interview with Paul where he said that TVD will end soon. It was a video and he was talking about his movie Before I disapear. He was talking about his career as a producer and said that he was too busy with TVD before but since the show will end soon he is ready to move on with producing movies and directing shows. Maybe he didn't mean the whole TVD show but only his part in it though In that case, everyone might as well give up on The Vampire Diaries lasting longer than six seasons, lol. It doesn't matter to me either way. I watch other shows that I enjoy.
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Post by Kiki on May 9, 2014 15:55:23 GMT -5
I saw the interview with Paul where he said that TVD will end soon. It was a video and he was talking about his movie Before I disapear. He was talking about his career as a producer and said that he was too busy with TVD before but since the show will end soon he is ready to move on with producing movies and directing shows. Maybe he didn't mean the whole TVD show but only his part in it though In that case, everyone might as well give up on The Vampire Diaries lasting longer than six seasons, lol. It doesn't matter to me either way. I watch other shows that I enjoy. yes a 7th season would be a miracle. And if Stefan is really gone I bet the ratings will take a dive to zero anyway. Look at twitter! No TVD without Stefan is trending for 2 hours and going. There are more sane fans than I thought TVD used to be the only TV show I watched but now I have some more. I will never ever get invested into a show like this again but there are some I always watch and like. So I can fill the hole TVD will leave
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Post by wednesday on May 9, 2014 15:57:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 5:06:02 GMT -5
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Post by katvolley13 on May 10, 2014 6:20:33 GMT -5
Interesting Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
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Post by deb on May 10, 2014 7:28:41 GMT -5
This episode was terrible. Stefan is no longer the character that I used to love.From shipping DE, to the moment where he didn't offer to give his life to save Elena and to the moment where he passed through Bonnie, it's almost like he was mad at her. She was so sad and he was just: You can't save me?You're useless, just let me pass then. Elena was just terrible, just a poor copy of Katherine, right now. At least Katherine was fun to watch. Elena is just boring and selfish.Even the SE scenes were terrible. And I can't watch another minute of DE. Damon,alone,had some good moments,while trying to ruin Market's plans, But when he's with Elena, I just can't. Sterling scene did nothing for me, like stefan dying didn't, it wasn't epic, beautiful or heroic. Bonnie's reaction was the only thing that made me feel something. I don't know if I'm going to watch the season finale And, if CD is still here for season 6, I won't be...
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 7:48:47 GMT -5
This episode was terrible. Stefan is no longer the character that I used to love.From shipping DE, to the moment where he didn't offer to give his life to save Elena and to the moment where he passed through Bonnie, it's almost like he was mad at her. She was so sad and he was just: You can't save me?You're useless, just let me pass then. Elena was just terrible, just a poor copy of Katherine, right now. At least Katherine was fun to watch. Elena is just boring and selfish.Even the SE scenes were terrible. And I can't watch another minute of DE. Damon,alone,had some good moments,while trying to ruin Market's plans, But when he's with Elena, I just can't. Sterling scene did nothing for me, like stefan dying didn't, it wasn't epic, beautiful or heroic. Bonnie's reaction was the only thing that made me feel something. I don't know if I'm going to watch the season finale And, if CD is still here for season 6, I won't be... I liked the episode. I agree that Damon alone is ok. In fact he delivers alot of comic relief. Whereas DE scenes and E just look constipated.
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Post by Kiki on May 10, 2014 9:09:49 GMT -5
Interesting Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards could be a clever move to get high finale ratings.. "Plus, with many fans wanting to find out if he’ll make it out of the Other Side, you can (hopefully) expect big numbers for next week’s finale!" But it could go the other way with many Stefan-fans boykotting TVD without him
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Post by katvolley13 on May 10, 2014 9:53:44 GMT -5
If you go on tumbler there are mass postings about boycotting finale and a petition to replace plec and dries Who is more vocal now
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Post by Kiki on May 10, 2014 10:00:31 GMT -5
If you go on tumbler there are mass postings about boycotting finale and a petition to replace plec and dries Who is more vocal now Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards Before I'll boycott TVD I'll give them a chance to bring Stefan back next episode. The death happened in the very last minutes... let's wait and see what the finale will bring. If it's obvious that Stefan will not come back I'm not gonna watch season 6. Without Paul Wesley there is nothing that keeps me watching
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 10:37:50 GMT -5
All this threat of boycotting TVD and the pressure the EP and writers have had and still are having til maximum death threats are one of the reasons that this show is not what it used to be in the first place. The pressure by both sides of the fandom (SE and DE fans, Stefan and Damon fans) is pushing the writers to more and more fan service. It started with DE shippers and now it's like a selfexploding bomb meanwhile. If they kill off Stefan, then they kill him off. Period. It could have been more heroic and epic ...yes that is true etc etc. Maybe Paul Wesley simply doesn't have anymore interest in the show. Whatever the reasons guess we will just have to wait and see or not see, the choice is ÁND ALWAYS REMAINS individual. I watch e.g. Downton Abbey, where alot of characters are killed off, simply for the reason that British actors have a max. 3years contract, after that time they can chose to leave the show or renew the contract. THus they killed off a few main characters. Well DA is set in the Edwardian and WWI time and is not a supernatural series therefor there is no meddling with death. Dead is dead dead. Imagine all fans of all tv series making such a fuss over their favourites or story plots. The tv world would be in a big and even bigger mess. I will watch TVD until the end, because even if I was disappointed with the SL for a few epsiodes this would pretty much sum it up, what I think. I wrote this on VDN. I didn't understand half of what was going on this season, but it all seems to be making sense now that we are reaching the season finale. For a few episodes around the middle of the season I thought I had lost interest completely, but that was only about 4-5 episodes. I just said to myself...pull through, you will see that it makes sense towards the end of the season. I generally get very very nervous before the penultimate episode and then the season finale. The same phenomena every year with TVD! But this year it is very very bad. I am dying with anticipation and anxiety. And Bonnie needs to live and get her witchcraft back or at least get to live and backup by another Bennett witch, where is that cousin Lucy of hers??? The one we saw in season 2 Masquerade. Th wonder twins are so useless, but Luke isn't half as terrible as Liv. Although I like her voice whe she talks normal and not with that superbored attitude. and where is their coven. Will we see that coven in season 6. I am counting the days til Tuesday (TO season finale) and Thursday TVD. it will be breathtaking as usual. If Stefan is back I would be very happy, if not that is the SL the writers and EP chose. Cheers
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Post by Kiki on May 10, 2014 12:58:43 GMT -5
moshe12 I was bored with the storyline for a long time and only kept watching because I wanted to know what happens to Stefan and I hoped he'd be happy in the end. If Stefan is gone now there is nothing that keeps me watching. Delena might be the writer's choice but if it is I have to admit it's not the show I fell in love 5 years ago anymore and therefore I will stop watching it I still don't see the storylines making sense. Why did we have Caroline's new loveinterest Jesse or a traveler inside Matt, why did Nadia give the traveler knife to Matt in case Katherine would change her mind about the bodyswap? Where is the connection between Silas and the Travelers? Where did Tom help in the storyline? This whole season was so chaotic that I lost interest in my guessing games and you know how much I loved to discuss the mythology. Without a good mythology to guess about and without romance it's not what it's used to be. If I want dirty sex I will watch 50 shades of grey. If you are a CW show you cannot focus on hot sex because you just cannot show hot sex.
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