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Post by deb on May 28, 2015 17:37:37 GMT -5
“… the past two years, Paul and I have been working so closely almost every day, towards the beginning of the Season 3 we had absolutely no scenes together. So that was one of the first scenes where we’re actually working together again. …when we locked eyes it really felt like we were locking eyes for the first time. But nothing was said everything was in the looks, the tension was built up so much, it was palpable, you can feel the love, fear, anxiety, the memories and history between the two” [x] - Nina Dobrev: Elena & Stefan “Trapped in the Closet” (3x03) . Hey deb, where is this from? I don't remember it being on the DVD... amimi, there was a video but I think that's no longer available
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Post by demetra on May 28, 2015 17:48:11 GMT -5
demetra I read Unseen but waited until Unmasked came out. I think the last 2 came out at the same time. I knew it was the last one so I went right to the end saw the big pile of crap and didn't bother even reading the last 2 books. tvdfansince1991 I don't consider this to be canon because it was written by a ghostwriter. We'll see how LJ Smith finishes the series. The last one seemed to have really been edited in haste -- there were spelling mistakes, etc. However, I am not sure that it wasn't LJ Smith's intention to veer to Delena. I thought I read someplace that one of the reasons she left off writing the books was that she was being pressured to retain Stelena when she wanted to move towards Delena. I am no authority on this -- I just remember thinking "jeez" when I read it.
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Post by napoli on May 28, 2015 18:55:27 GMT -5
demetra I read Unseen but waited until Unmasked came out. I think the last 2 came out at the same time. I knew it was the last one so I went right to the end saw the big pile of crap and didn't bother even reading the last 2 books. tvdfansince1991 I don't consider this to be canon because it was written by a ghostwriter. We'll see how LJ Smith finishes the series. The last one seemed to have really been edited in haste -- there were spelling mistakes, etc. However, I am not sure that it wasn't LJ Smith's intention to veer to Delena. I thought I read someplace that one of the reasons she left off writing the books was that she was being pressured to retain Stelena when she wanted to move towards Delena. I am no authority on this -- I just remember thinking "jeez" when I read it. A few DE websites have taken LJ Smith's comments and reworded them to make it seem as though she wanted DE and the network forced SE. This is an actual response from her website www.ljanesmith.net/www/blog/556-the-endgame-of-vampire-diariesHi Heather-- Thank you so much for your kind words about my works! I do deeply appreciate readers who have gone beyond THE VAMPIRE DIARIES and you and Dominika have gone waaaaay beyond! Thank you! Do you know, everyone asks me the question, what would the endgame have been like in TVD? Who would win the Grand Prize (Damon)? You may not believe it but there are many readers who would like to see Elena with Stefan and Bonnie with Damon. And since I wrote scenes showing that they care for each other, that's logical. The problem with asking me "Who would Elena pick?" is that I had planned to write at least five other books--long books, not like the ghostwriter's--with a lot of switching and turnabouts and secrets revealed and surprises before the endgame book. (In between books like the one where Stefan comes to out of unconsciousness with an almost-exsanguinated Elena in his arms (exsanguinated means drained of blood--but you knew that!). He can't remember anything--how they started sharing blood that night or anything else but he rushes Elena to the hospital and after many transfusions the doctors save her. Then Stefan, confused, but (of course!) bitterly guilty, Influences Elena to forget everything about him and their relationship and to think that Damon (who's a grade above them in college in my world) is her boyfriend and always has been. And when Elena wakes up that's just what she thinks. Stefan has warned (well, threatened) Elena's friends to leave the situation alone, so Elena spends weeks believing that Damon's always been her boyfriend. Damon, although startled and a little skeptical about whether the Influence will hold is naturally happy to play along, although he does some detective work when Stefan confesses that he has memory loss for the night he almost killed Elena. Elena goes on believing that Damon is her childhood sweetheart until . . . well, a lot of other things happen, but eventually Elena does remember Stefan. (And hits him a lot with a rolled up newspaper for Influencing her.) The problem is I won't get to write that book or any of the others I had planned. I am over being upset about this, although I will always love Elena and Damon and Stefan and Bonnie AND MEREDITH. But since I won't be feeling the emotions of Elena as she goes through all these problems and interacts with the boyz I can't imagine what state of mind she would be in the end. So I can't say for certain who she would choose. I'm so sorry. And BTW, do you mind if I use this answer as a blog post? I really should post and this is a question I get constantly.
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Post by napoli on May 31, 2015 20:41:25 GMT -5
From stelenabeauty.tumblr.com/ Anonymous asked: If Nina comes back, it's only for the season final or maybe 2 ep. Do you think they will have time to make her question human life with Damon in one episode? I think Elena will have the human life she always wanted, but with Damon. (I'm a SE shipper don't get me wrong.) For me it would be impossible for them to go from the DE declaration of each other's life to "Oh i just woke up and finally I don't want human life with you bye". It would be too fast in one episode... stelenabeauty responded: Well, I’m inclined to think they can rope Nina back in for at least 4-6 episodes. 6 might be pushing it, but at least four. If we’re to believe that the ending will be Delena as happy humans together, then that means we’ll have to believe the ending JP and KW always wanted for Elena since the beginning was to be human with Damon. I just don’t think so, anon. Secondly, we know Damon doesn’t really want to be human. And we know that Damon and Elena are still being portrayed as toxic and bad for each other. They didn’t have Stefan show Damon his future with Elena as a human for nothing. But in the end, they did what they do best which is ignore everything bad about their relationship and for them as individuals and promptly ripped each others clothes off at their own friends’ wedding like the effing world revolves around them. So it begs the question: How do these things get addressed? Are we really to believe that Damon and Elena are just going to pick up where they left off, where the last image we have of them being human together was dark, unhappy, and resentful? The writers would have to fix that. They would have to show, along the way, that Damon really wants to be human for Damon–not just for Elena. And they’d have to somehow change the dynamic of their relationship to going from ‘still bad and toxic for each other’ to a more healthy, viable relationship that shows promise of real happiness. Not to mention, JP also admits that Delena was much, much more about Damon than it was about Elena–it was about what it meant to Damon, as a character. Well, what about Elena??? So I think this circles back around to the ending JP and KW always wanted for Elena. And I don’t believe it involves her and Damon having the kind of life we saw Stefan and Elena having in an alternate universe. I don’t think it will be involving Damon at all. If Delena was supposed to be the big end all be all then they would have declared that in the finale and just killed her. So, it’s a reasonable conclusion to draw that they were holding onto Elena so they could finish her story properly and as I said before, I don’t think that involves Damon.
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Post by crimmyj on Jun 1, 2015 10:17:25 GMT -5
Problem is I don't think they are going to end it the way KW had planned...Plec made reference that it wouldn't be his ending exactly. and that could mean it would be his ending except Damon. I mean when Plec tweeted that Elena and Stefan were Dawson and Joey. The once thought to be soulmates but end up soulfriends of KW series. Think of it like the ghostwritten book vs. Smith's. Plus depending on Nina's career I somehow doubt they will get more than 2 episodes out of her if that.
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Post by stelena4ever on Jun 1, 2015 19:49:49 GMT -5
From stelenabeauty.tumblr.com/ Anonymous asked: If Nina comes back, it's only for the season final or maybe 2 ep. Do you think they will have time to make her question human life with Damon in one episode? I think Elena will have the human life she always wanted, but with Damon. (I'm a SE shipper don't get me wrong.) For me it would be impossible for them to go from the DE declaration of each other's life to "Oh i just woke up and finally I don't want human life with you bye". It would be too fast in one episode... stelenabeauty responded: Well, I’m inclined to think they can rope Nina back in for at least 4-6 episodes. 6 might be pushing it, but at least four. If we’re to believe that the ending will be Delena as happy humans together, then that means we’ll have to believe the ending JP and KW always wanted for Elena since the beginning was to be human with Damon. I just don’t think so, anon. Secondly, we know Damon doesn’t really want to be human. And we know that Damon and Elena are still being portrayed as toxic and bad for each other. They didn’t have Stefan show Damon his future with Elena as a human for nothing. But in the end, they did what they do best which is ignore everything bad about their relationship and for them as individuals and promptly ripped each others clothes off at their own friends’ wedding like the effing world revolves around them. So it begs the question: How do these things get addressed? Are we really to believe that Damon and Elena are just going to pick up where they left off, where the last image we have of them being human together was dark, unhappy, and resentful? The writers would have to fix that. They would have to show, along the way, that Damon really wants to be human for Damon–not just for Elena. And they’d have to somehow change the dynamic of their relationship to going from ‘still bad and toxic for each other’ to a more healthy, viable relationship that shows promise of real happiness. Not to mention, JP also admits that Delena was much, much more about Damon than it was about Elena–it was about what it meant to Damon, as a character. Well, what about Elena??? So I think this circles back around to the ending JP and KW always wanted for Elena. And I don’t believe it involves her and Damon having the kind of life we saw Stefan and Elena having in an alternate universe. I don’t think it will be involving Damon at all. If Delena was supposed to be the big end all be all then they would have declared that in the finale and just killed her. So, it’s a reasonable conclusion to draw that they were holding onto Elena so they could finish her story properly and as I said before, I don’t think that involves Damon. Thank you for posting this napoli. I hope stelenabeauty is correct and that Stefan and Elena are endgame.
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Post by napoli on Jun 1, 2015 21:22:46 GMT -5
I hate to flip-flop with this as in my heart SE will always be the best and should without a doubt be end game but of course I'm not writing TVD. The way they've written SE versus DE isn't a coincidence so I will be completely shocked if DE end up together yet there are some disturbing things about KW that lead me to believe an SE end game might not be the game plan after all. I didn't watch Dawson's Creek but KW created this show and wrote the finale and it was KW who wanted Joey (female lead) and Pacey (bad boy) together and referred to Dawson (good guy) as her soul mate but not romantic love. 'When I first wrote it, I was absolutely convinced it had to end with Dawson and Joey together. It was a two-hour finale, and when I wrote the second hour, that’s where I was headed. I wasn’t able to sleep, something was rubbing me the wrong way. To me, Dawson and Joey are soul mates. And then I kept thinking, one thing I’ve learned in my life is that my soul mate isn’t necessarily my romantic love. So I was trying to put that in place with Dawson and Joey professing their forever to each other. And then we revealed that she chose her romantic love, which was Pacey.''...so many people have come up to me like, “I can’t believe it wasn’t Dawson and Joey.” And I go, “But it was. They sat there by the pier and said, ‘You and me, always.’” He wrote a TV show, The Creek, about Dawson and Joey. In his Spielbergian head, he (Dawson) got the girl.' www.ew.com/article/2014/04/15/kevin-williamson-dawsons-creek-finale I didn't watch the show so I don't know how the relationship developed on it but based on a few of his comments in this article it is still possible that KW will screw us in the end. The first is how your soul mate isn't always your romantic love. Could this be why CD has been spouting her 'soul friend' nonsense about SE? Also, that for Dawson creating a show about him (Joey) ending up with Joey is his getting the girl. Can you imagine if they have Stefan write a book about SE end game and this is how they explain that Stefan ends up with Elena? I'm not sure how anyone who watched Dawson's Creek and rooted for Joey and Dawson could ever trust KW again. For f****s sakes the show was called Dawson's Creek and Dawson not only didn't end up with the female protagonist but he ended up with no one! KW also said: Is there anything you’ll do differently going into the next series finale you do?In terms of Vampire Diaries, you should call Julie Plec right now and ask her how it’s gonna end. [Laughs] Because we’ve talked. I know how we originally said it was gonna end.Yes, Julie once told me the two of you were sitting in an Atlanta mall early in season 2 and discussed it.Yes, we did. Things change, but I do know if we go with that ending – oh, I’m gonna start crying thinking about it. [Laughs] I love that show.Yes, Kevin, we used to love it too. And in yet another interview:http://www.ew.com/article/2012/02/10/kevin-williamson-talks-love-triangles-dawsons-creek-and-the-vampire-diaries How did you make the final decision?JULIE PLEC: This is my favorite Kevin Williamson moment of all time because we were working on a movie together at the time that he was making that decision. He had been agonizing over this because when he created the show it was [the] Dawson and Joey love story and then it came to the end of the show and he couldn’t decide what the right path for Joey to take was. He walked in and he was like, “I got it. I got it. Joey chooses Pacey because her childish love for Dawson has given way to her grown-up love for Pacey but Dawson still gets what he wants. Dawson gets what [he wanted when we] started the show, he gets to work with Spielberg. Dawson’s eternal wish, as a character, was delivered so Dawson found his happiness.” I got all teary-eyed when he said that because it made perfect sense because everything that you had [wanted] in the first episode was delivered on [and] then some in the end. But what did that mean for Dawson and Joey’s relationship?KW: In my mind, I know I’ve said this until I’m blue in the face, but Dawson and Joey are together. They are soul mates. He created a show about her. They are going to live forever. They are immortalized in Dawson’s world. It’s also my way of saying let’s look at the word “soul mate” and let’s redefine it. Dawson and Joey are soul mates forever [but] your soul mate is not necessarily your romantic love.JP has also referred to SE as a teenage relationship and DE as the adult one. I'm not sure on what planet respecting one another, having a relationship based on communication, passion and real love is the teenage model versus the toxic, co-dependent, controlling and consuming love as the adult model. I'll take the teenage model in this example any time! And no Kevin, Dawson and Joey are not together just because he made a show about the two of them together. Isn't it gross how he's justifying leaving Dawson basically alone? It also made me ill to read that DC ending made JP all teary-eyed. I would've thrown bricks at my TV had I watched that show. So you see how the writers could end up with DE end game (adult, romantic = sex for them) versus SE are soul mates who will always love each other but they aren't involved and Stefan gets Damon in his life so his sadness from the Pilot of being all alone is no more. Yay! Stefan has Damon! One last nail in the coffin, the date of the second article is February 10, 2012 and on that same day on twitter KW posted: Kevin WilliamsonVerified account @kevwilliamson Who will Elena end up with? We're so not there yet -- but if you must know. Elena chooses Pacey. 7:22 PM - 10 Feb 2012 It would be better to have someone with DC experience to comment on these articles because based on TVD I won't go near anything KW or JP are involved in anymore.
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Post by olette on Jun 1, 2015 22:37:14 GMT -5
I hate to flip-flop with this as in my heart SE will always be the best and should without a doubt be end game but of course I'm not writing TVD. The way they've written SE versus DE isn't a coincidence so I will be completely shocked if DE end up together yet there are some disturbing things about KW that lead me to believe an SE end game might not be the game plan after all. I didn't watch Dawson's Creek but KW created this show and wrote the finale and it was KW who wanted Joey (female lead) and Pacey (bad boy) together and referred to Dawson (good guy) as her soul mate but not romantic love. 'When I first wrote it, I was absolutely convinced it had to end with Dawson and Joey together. It was a two-hour finale, and when I wrote the second hour, that’s where I was headed. I wasn’t able to sleep, something was rubbing me the wrong way. To me, Dawson and Joey are soul mates. And then I kept thinking, one thing I’ve learned in my life is that my soul mate isn’t necessarily my romantic love. So I was trying to put that in place with Dawson and Joey professing their forever to each other. And then we revealed that she chose her romantic love, which was Pacey.''...so many people have come up to me like, “I can’t believe it wasn’t Dawson and Joey.” And I go, “But it was. They sat there by the pier and said, ‘You and me, always.’” He wrote a TV show, The Creek, about Dawson and Joey. In his Spielbergian head, he (Dawson) got the girl.' www.ew.com/article/2014/04/15/kevin-williamson-dawsons-creek-finale I didn't watch the show so I don't know how the relationship developed on it but based on a few of his comments in this article it is still possible that KW will screw us in the end. The first is how your soul mate isn't always your romantic love. Could this be why CD has been spouting her 'soul friend' nonsense about SE? Also, that for Dawson creating a show about him (Joey) ending up with Joey is his getting the girl. Can you imagine if they have Stefan write a book about SE end game and this is how they explain that Stefan ends up with Elena? I'm not sure how anyone who watched Dawson's Creek and rooted for Joey and Dawson could ever trust KW again. For f****s sakes the show was called Dawson's Creek and Dawson not only didn't end up with the female protagonist but he ended up with no one! KW also said: Is there anything you’ll do differently going into the next series finale you do?In terms of Vampire Diaries, you should call Julie Plec right now and ask her how it’s gonna end. [Laughs] Because we’ve talked. I know how we originally said it was gonna end.Yes, Julie once told me the two of you were sitting in an Atlanta mall early in season 2 and discussed it.Yes, we did. Things change, but I do know if we go with that ending – oh, I’m gonna start crying thinking about it. [Laughs] I love that show.Yes, Kevin, we used to love it too. And in yet another interview:http://www.ew.com/article/2012/02/10/kevin-williamson-talks-love-triangles-dawsons-creek-and-the-vampire-diaries How did you make the final decision?JULIE PLEC: This is my favorite Kevin Williamson moment of all time because we were working on a movie together at the time that he was making that decision. He had been agonizing over this because when he created the show it was [the] Dawson and Joey love story and then it came to the end of the show and he couldn’t decide what the right path for Joey to take was. He walked in and he was like, “I got it. I got it. Joey chooses Pacey because her childish love for Dawson has given way to her grown-up love for Pacey but Dawson still gets what he wants. Dawson gets what [he wanted when we] started the show, he gets to work with Spielberg. Dawson’s eternal wish, as a character, was delivered so Dawson found his happiness.” I got all teary-eyed when he said that because it made perfect sense because everything that you had [wanted] in the first episode was delivered on [and] then some in the end. But what did that mean for Dawson and Joey’s relationship?KW: In my mind, I know I’ve said this until I’m blue in the face, but Dawson and Joey are together. They are soul mates. He created a show about her. They are going to live forever. They are immortalized in Dawson’s world. It’s also my way of saying let’s look at the word “soul mate” and let’s redefine it. Dawson and Joey are soul mates forever [but] your soul mate is not necessarily your romantic love.JP has also referred to SE as a teenage relationship and DE as the adult one. I'm not sure on what planet respecting one another, having a relationship based on communication, passion and real love is the teenage model versus the toxic, co-dependent, controlling and consuming love as the adult model. I'll take the teenage model in this example any time! And no Kevin, Dawson and Joey are not together just because he made a show about the two of them together. Isn't it gross how he's justifying leaving Dawson basically alone? It also made me ill to read that DC ending made JP all teary-eyed. I would've thrown bricks at my TV had I watched that show. So you see how the writers could end up with DE end game (adult, romantic = sex for them) versus SE are soul mates who will always love each other but they aren't involved and Stefan gets Damon in his life so his sadness from the Pilot of being all alone is no more. Yay! Stefan has Damon! One last nail in the coffin, the date of the second article is February 10, 2012 and on that same day on twitter KW posted: Kevin WilliamsonVerified account @kevwilliamson Who will Elena end up with? We're so not there yet -- but if you must know. Elena chooses Pacey. 7:22 PM - 10 Feb 2012 It would be better to have someone with DC experience to comment on these articles because based on TVD I won't go near anything KW or JP are involved in anymore. Wow! I wish I would've known this before starting the show, I wouldn't have watched it. Honestly I didn't think SE was going to be endgame because of Plec's interviews talking about endgame and how Defan is her ship of choice. Plus I just read somewhere Stefan and Elena were suppose to find the cure and be human together. Then Stefan finds out that he would age by taking the cure so he has Elena take the cure but he doesn't tell her he can't take it. This was the original plan of JP and KW, we now know how it actually played out. So if they were going to have Elena be human again and not Stefan then that tells me SE wasn't endgame. What boggles my mind and you touched on it, is the fact that they wrote this "adult love" for DE as obsessive, toxic and codependent relationship. There was never any growth for either character or for their relationship. How do they think this is a grown up love? My hope is that Elena will awaken and realize that she wants a life of her own (she's had 60 years to think about it!) and breaks it off with Damon. I also hope that Damon realizes that what he thought was love with Elena really wasn't and he sorts out his abandonment issues. I guess this would be too 'teenage' for the writers though. ha!
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Post by Kiki on Jun 2, 2015 0:45:01 GMT -5
I hate to flip-flop with this as in my heart SE will always be the best and should without a doubt be end game but of course I'm not writing TVD. The way they've written SE versus DE isn't a coincidence so I will be completely shocked if DE end up together yet there are some disturbing things about KW that lead me to believe an SE end game might not be the game plan after all. I didn't watch Dawson's Creek but KW created this show and wrote the finale and it was KW who wanted Joey (female lead) and Pacey (bad boy) together and referred to Dawson (good guy) as her soul mate but not romantic love. 'When I first wrote it, I was absolutely convinced it had to end with Dawson and Joey together. It was a two-hour finale, and when I wrote the second hour, that’s where I was headed. I wasn’t able to sleep, something was rubbing me the wrong way. To me, Dawson and Joey are soul mates. And then I kept thinking, one thing I’ve learned in my life is that my soul mate isn’t necessarily my romantic love. So I was trying to put that in place with Dawson and Joey professing their forever to each other. And then we revealed that she chose her romantic love, which was Pacey.''...so many people have come up to me like, “I can’t believe it wasn’t Dawson and Joey.” And I go, “But it was. They sat there by the pier and said, ‘You and me, always.’” He wrote a TV show, The Creek, about Dawson and Joey. In his Spielbergian head, he (Dawson) got the girl.' www.ew.com/article/2014/04/15/kevin-williamson-dawsons-creek-finale I didn't watch the show so I don't know how the relationship developed on it but based on a few of his comments in this article it is still possible that KW will screw us in the end. The first is how your soul mate isn't always your romantic love. Could this be why CD has been spouting her 'soul friend' nonsense about SE? Also, that for Dawson creating a show about him (Joey) ending up with Joey is his getting the girl. Can you imagine if they have Stefan write a book about SE end game and this is how they explain that Stefan ends up with Elena? I'm not sure how anyone who watched Dawson's Creek and rooted for Joey and Dawson could ever trust KW again. For f****s sakes the show was called Dawson's Creek and Dawson not only didn't end up with the female protagonist but he ended up with no one! KW also said: Is there anything you’ll do differently going into the next series finale you do?In terms of Vampire Diaries, you should call Julie Plec right now and ask her how it’s gonna end. [Laughs] Because we’ve talked. I know how we originally said it was gonna end.Yes, Julie once told me the two of you were sitting in an Atlanta mall early in season 2 and discussed it.Yes, we did. Things change, but I do know if we go with that ending – oh, I’m gonna start crying thinking about it. [Laughs] I love that show.Yes, Kevin, we used to love it too. And in yet another interview:http://www.ew.com/article/2012/02/10/kevin-williamson-talks-love-triangles-dawsons-creek-and-the-vampire-diaries How did you make the final decision?JULIE PLEC: This is my favorite Kevin Williamson moment of all time because we were working on a movie together at the time that he was making that decision. He had been agonizing over this because when he created the show it was [the] Dawson and Joey love story and then it came to the end of the show and he couldn’t decide what the right path for Joey to take was. He walked in and he was like, “I got it. I got it. Joey chooses Pacey because her childish love for Dawson has given way to her grown-up love for Pacey but Dawson still gets what he wants. Dawson gets what [he wanted when we] started the show, he gets to work with Spielberg. Dawson’s eternal wish, as a character, was delivered so Dawson found his happiness.” I got all teary-eyed when he said that because it made perfect sense because everything that you had [wanted] in the first episode was delivered on [and] then some in the end. But what did that mean for Dawson and Joey’s relationship?KW: In my mind, I know I’ve said this until I’m blue in the face, but Dawson and Joey are together. They are soul mates. He created a show about her. They are going to live forever. They are immortalized in Dawson’s world. It’s also my way of saying let’s look at the word “soul mate” and let’s redefine it. Dawson and Joey are soul mates forever [but] your soul mate is not necessarily your romantic love.JP has also referred to SE as a teenage relationship and DE as the adult one. I'm not sure on what planet respecting one another, having a relationship based on communication, passion and real love is the teenage model versus the toxic, co-dependent, controlling and consuming love as the adult model. I'll take the teenage model in this example any time! And no Kevin, Dawson and Joey are not together just because he made a show about the two of them together. Isn't it gross how he's justifying leaving Dawson basically alone? It also made me ill to read that DC ending made JP all teary-eyed. I would've thrown bricks at my TV had I watched that show. So you see how the writers could end up with DE end game (adult, romantic = sex for them) versus SE are soul mates who will always love each other but they aren't involved and Stefan gets Damon in his life so his sadness from the Pilot of being all alone is no more. Yay! Stefan has Damon! One last nail in the coffin, the date of the second article is February 10, 2012 and on that same day on twitter KW posted: Kevin WilliamsonVerified account @kevwilliamson Who will Elena end up with? We're so not there yet -- but if you must know. Elena chooses Pacey. 7:22 PM - 10 Feb 2012 It would be better to have someone with DC experience to comment on these articles because based on TVD I won't go near anything KW or JP are involved in anymore. This is what I was thinking from the moment Elena looked at Damon for the first time. I always thought they'd use the dawsons creek storyline and make it about vampires and in the end it's ehat they did
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Post by demetra on Jun 2, 2015 4:21:03 GMT -5
If we make a parallel between Stefan and Dawson, then, was Stefan's dream two-fold? His dream upon waking as a vampire was to spend eternity in the company of his brother. When TVD began, his dream -- which he put into action -- was to come out of the shadows to Elena: I had to know her. His dream of knowing Elena involved becoming human with her and to have that opportunity of living out a human life. However, at the beginning of Season Six, Stefan was living within the constrictions of a human life -- but without Damon. He was back in the shadows. And it was insufficient. The slow build towards Caroline, however, could signal a recalibration of both those dreams?
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Post by olette on Jun 3, 2015 16:15:55 GMT -5
If we make a parallel between Stefan and Dawson, then, was Stefan's dream two-fold? His dream upon waking as a vampire was to spend eternity in the company of his brother. When TVD began, his dream -- which he put into action -- was to come out of the shadows to Elena: I had to know her. His dream of knowing Elena involved becoming human with her and to have that opportunity of living out a human life. However, at the beginning of Season Six, Stefan was living within the constrictions of a human life -- but without Damon. He was back in the shadows. And it was insufficient. The slow build towards Caroline, however, could signal a recalibration of both those dreams? Makes you wonder if Plec/Dries will make it look like Stefan doesn't want to be human (since no one mentioned giving him the cure this season. smh) and wants to stay a vampire with Caroline. Caroline likes being a vampire so it wouldn't make sense for her to become human for Stefan. So I guess Damon and Caroline are Stefan's not lonely happy life. ahaha Don't get me wrong I like Caroline but not Steroline (no offense to anyone who does). Stefan deserves a happy ending this is just not how I envisioned it. I would've liked to see him become human and have a human life because he did want that for himself.
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Post by Evers17 on Jun 4, 2015 6:04:57 GMT -5
Exactly Olette! If I remember correctly Rebekah & Stefan confess to each other on the island their desire to be human with Stefan also admitting he wouldn't take the cure just for Elena. Then in the episode "down the rabbit hole" stefan tells Elena that he wanted 'a' cure for himself before he even knew her or that 'the' cure existed. Then in "the killer" he tells Damon why he's so desperate for Elena to have the cure as "he'll always love her but she's not supposed to be this person" But Elena who never wanted to be a vampire seems to have little interest in the cure as in "graduation" she gives it to Stefan telling him he deserves it because he sucks at being a vampire.....(because there is only 1 dose remember, and no mention at all that they can all just take a drink from whoever swallows it and then all play human happy families together....) So Stefan gives it back to her because everything he'd done was so she didn't have to be a vampire.... But Elena shoves it down Katherine's throat. Meanwhile Damon has said he wouldn’t taKe the cure. He doesn’t want to be human. In the end, Damon told Elena that he wouldn’t apologize for that, or all the reasons he’s wrong for her – and Elena told him that she wouldn’t apologize for being in love with him, which she knows will prove to be the worst decision she’s made...... So Elena didn't seem too fazed at all about her plot in life as a vamp, yet FF to season 6 and all of a sudden all she wants again is to be human, live a human life, have babies etc etc. and low and behold the cure is back on the table (be it the 1994 version). This time it's possible that Damon can drink from Elena and they can grow old together like ma n pa kettle. Yet apparently it now looks like Stefan has no intention of taking a sip of Elena's blood and no offer is even made for him to do so. So obviously he's just totally come to grips with everything about being a vamp and is happy as a pig in crap these days? I mean he's practically cheering Delena on (they should've just made Stefan wear a team Delena t shirt in that hospital scene with Caroline). Aaarrgghhhhh! This is what I hate!!!! Everything was just conveniently forgotten or swept under the ever expanding rug to cater to the Delena universe. This is why I've never been able to get on board with their relationship (amongst other reasons). I know you guys have covered the writing of this show pretty extensively and the fact JP caters to the Delena fans but it's still just so so disappointing when you look back/rehash things. Yet enter season 7 and from what I've read Delena fans don't want Damon to move on eventually/ at all because it's cheating on Elena. Excuse my language but FFS! He killed her brother at one stage, they can forgive that, But move on with your life/live life (like I'm pretty sure Elena told him to) while your GF is in a coma for 50 or 60 yrs is under no circumstances allowed. Murder is ok, cheating is not apparently. Though that's the writers fault for not having the balls to get Elena to tell Damon it's ok if he moves on. She selflessly stays in a coma for her best friend but expects her very sexual boyfriend to be a nun for 50 yrs - yer right! I'm glad season 7 is going to be about the brothers but it still doesn't mean I want to watch Damon pining after Elena on and off all season (boring) or have to deal with Steroline's issues. If the show somehow manages to get back on track and becomes the great show It originally was (what! I can't help it, I'm a wishful thinker) then I hope either Stelena's story isn't quite finished (god it's sad I can't give up Dawson's Creek comparisons or not) or neither of the Salvatore's end up with her because as I said numerous times before I think Elena will pop up again - literally! Anyhow with Elena sleeping peacefully I hope the writers pull their heads out of their butts and do Paul Wesley some justice in season 7 and write Stefan some great scenes! Instead of making him the president of the Delena fan club.
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Post by deb on Jun 4, 2015 15:58:55 GMT -5
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Post by olette on Jun 4, 2015 16:29:45 GMT -5
Agree Evers17. It's very frustrating how they are disregarding history. Ok, so if you want Delena to be together and they were suppose to be the Joey/Pacey of Stefan's Creek then why even put Stefan and Elena together in the first place. They could've just started out as friends and stayed "soul friends" throughout the show. Instead JP had to erase SE from the first three seasons and erase Stefan even wanting to be human to begin with. JP still could've gotten DE together IF she knew how to write a good storyline but she didn't and she must understand she didn't gain any fans by tearing down SE history the way she did. She also didn't gain any fans by forcing SC on us through the Liz storyline plus the two speeches she had Stefan make in the finale. Not only did she tear down SE but she also recycled a scene from S4 with Caroline and Klaus. She can't even come up with original dialog between these two but she wants us to believe their 'organic'. smh What? does she think her audience is dumb or that we won't remember what her or her writers have written? I agree with you about s7. If s7 is really about Stefan and Damon then JP/CD have to make it believable. Things need to get real. Damon needs to come to the same 'conclusion' that Stefan did. Elena brought Damon back/closer to his brother and she wasn't in his life to be a soulmate. Like I said before, during Elena's sleeping beauty time Damon needs to confront his abandonment and obsessive behavior issues and realize that Elena wasn't his 'true love'. Maybe Bonnie will help him realize all this. Yes I like Bamon and imo Elena would have no room to be upset because she dropped one BROTHER for another BROTHER. Can't wait to see what JP comes up with for the series finale since she claims Defan is her ship. Read an article where CD says they are bringing back hero Stefan and his hero hair will be three inches taller or something to that effect. How about giving Stefan a great storyline and not worry so much about his hero hair! Stefan does need to get back to being the hero though so I'll take that. lol
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Post by Evers17 on Jun 4, 2015 18:15:06 GMT -5
Hey deb with a bit of tweaking I could go for that ending
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