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Post by Slash on Oct 31, 2013 20:11:32 GMT -5
SPOILERs for those who have to watch a few hours later: So yep, Nadia is Katherine's daughter. Nadia thought Katherine just ran off without her but Katherine reveals she went back to find her but couldn't. Also, the Travelers seem to be the ones who killed Qetsiyah. Surprisingly (I guess not since Qetsiyah was worried about Silas' power too and needed him handicapped), Silas can get in Qetsiyah's head too and was going to pull one over on her but Silas needed Damon's help by keeping Stefan down...by snapping his neck I was actually happy when Stefan fooled and snapped his neck in turn. Should have got a few kicks in on him. And like a bad ass, walks in on Silas & Qetsiyah, gets a shot in on Silas, gets his ring and walks the hell out. I hated Damon this episode. The scheming to use his brother and then the ending bit with Katherine. Don't know if he knew or not if she'd survive but the way he just fed her to Silas despite her pleas had me wishing Nadia busted in and snapped his neck (AGAIN for the episode) and rushed off with Katherine. However, now that Silas has taken the cure out of Katherine's system...is she a Vampire again? Lulz at Caroline & Tyler. Just...lulz. Need to watch the episode again to get all the Professor stuff but the guy who knew Megan growing up is the Professor's son.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 22:20:36 GMT -5
Solid episode,but I am confused. Everyone went on my nerves today, except Stefan and Jeremy. I was wondering when Tyler would want to revenge his mothers death. It went bad for Forwood, but it is better this way. And I guess he was the werewolf on the Originals. Definitely have to rewatch to write more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 22:26:39 GMT -5
SPOILERs for those who have to watch a few hours later: So yep, Nadia is Katherine's daughter. Nadia thought Katherine just ran off without her but Katherine reveals she went back to find her but couldn't. Also, the Travelers seem to be the ones who killed Qetsiyah. Surprisingly (I guess not since Qetsiyah was worried about Silas' power too and needed him handicapped), Silas can get in Qetsiyah's head too and was going to pull one over on her but Silas needed Damon's help by keeping Stefan down...by snapping his neck I was actually happy when Stefan fooled and snapped his neck in turn. Should have got a few kicks in on him. And like a bad ass, walks in on Silas & Qetsiyah, gets a shot in on Silas, gets his ring and walks the hell out. I hated Damon this episode. The scheming to use his brother and then the ending bit with Katherine. Don't know if he knew or not if she'd survive but the way he just fed her to Silas despite her pleas had me wishing Nadia busted in and snapped his neck (AGAIN for the episode) and rushed off with Katherine. However, now that Silas has taken the cure out of Katherine's system...is she a Vampire again? Lulz at Caroline & Tyler. Just...lulz. Need to watch the episode again to get all the Professor stuff but the guy who knew Megan growing up is the Professor's son. What goes around comes around. Ironic I thought that Katherine did exactly the same thing to Jeremy. And personally I loved to see her whine for a small while. Maybe she's a vamp again or another supernatural entity like a I don't know....like in the books, omfg I AM CONFUSED over tis episode.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 22:51:07 GMT -5
I just reread the synopsis for next week and here is the excerpt about Katherine "A desperate Katherine discovers a new and unexpected consequence of becoming human again, and realizes she needs a new place to stay. In exchange for a spot in the dorm room, she offers to show Caroline how to get answers from Dr. Maxfield (guest star Rick Cosnett)."
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Post by Slash on Oct 31, 2013 23:24:02 GMT -5
Fun fact: I was going to throw in the towel for this show if Katherine died like that. And she just found out her daughter was alive? As much crap as she pulls on everyone, I think she still trusts the Salvatores so to have Damon do that to her was really cutting the string keeping me on board.
And I'll be annoyed if Tyler shows up on the Originals either for Klaus or the one watching over Hailey. And Hailey would know if it was him. She helped him break the bond so she's seen his Wolf form countless times. There is the oddity however that that night, there wasn't a full moon so unless there is another Hybrid out there with knowledge of Hailey or there are Werewolves out there who can change at will (I always found it odd how Hailey was such an expert in breaking the bond and assumed that there may be some Wolves out there that could force their change like the Hybrids had to). I know Tyler wants vengeance on Klaus but don't come to TO and ruin it with...well, you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 23:39:21 GMT -5
I'm not really sure if the werewolf in TO was Ty, maybe it was a wolf from Hayley's pack. They seem to be a special pack, remember those claw and foot marks, they were enormous. Regarding Tyler, I like him, but his storyline in TVD is going nowhere. As for Hayley...she sucked on TVD But I find her a better on TO and have more sympathy for her. I for one havn't forgotten though and will not forget that it was Hayley who betrayed Tyler and as a result Carol Lockwood was murdered by Klaus. Maybe if Ty goes there at all, he will have a better storyline nd a new purpose.
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Post by Ruby on Nov 1, 2013 0:01:09 GMT -5
I will chime in for now but share my full thoughts tomorrow. I have a feeling Tyler will definitely show up on the originals. He can be helping the wolfpack that have been looking out for hayley...but what will be his role. will he try to kill the baby and hayley himself/? its actually interesting on what his potential role could be. I think it was a lame excuse to keep him off TVD what is the point of bringing him back and then making him leave for dumb reasons. Not unless Klaus throws him up against a tree and tells him to get over himself and go get his girl before klaus goes gets her hahahah. The last time Klaus went on a revenge trip he lost his mother so i do not know why hes still after klaus if klaus decided to let him off the hook.
urgh its w.e I did feel bad with Caroline and Tyler almost about to breakdown and turn around...anywho goodnigght will share more tomorrow in the episode discussion thread. im too drained right now. =)
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 1, 2013 1:58:24 GMT -5
I am confused about Katherine and what she is. I am not sure she is a vampire. Maybe she is immortal or she is a vampire or she is an angel
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Post by Slash on Nov 1, 2013 3:01:23 GMT -5
Hailey simply wanted info on her family and Shane put her up to run interference if she wanted that info. Klaus killing the Hybrids and Tyler's mother isn't exactly her fault. She simply told him his Hybrids were free of their bond. Carol's death was unnecessary (still hate that Klaus did that) cause even Klaus seemed to like her but he just felt it was necessary to lash out at Tyler for turning his Hybrids against him.
But yeah, if Tyler is smart, he'll drop the pursuit against Klaus. His mother's death is directly a result of his actions and we saw how poorly his last plan turned out. Klaus wrecked 11-12 Hybrids on his own. This is an 1000+ year old being who has training and has had his share of fights over that time. Tyler is 18 years old with a background that isn't worth writing down compared to Klaus.
Tyler showing up in NO would be simply to get his ass handed to him if he's looking to continue his feud with Klaus, who has Elijah & Bekah at his back. The most he could do is maybe align with the Witches but from what little we've seen in the universe, Witches & Wolves don't seem to interact much. Marcel probably wouldn't want him around either (the bite and he's a nonfactor in helping against Klaus as mentioned).
I am however interested in Wolves as a whole having an opinion on Hailey. A Hybrid born from a Wolf (from a special pack at that) that could bring about trouble for Witches (have to remember that Klaus' bloodline does have Witches)? Hailey's pack would protect their own but do other Wolves have no input on the baby if it doesn't affect them? That is, unless Hailey's family/pack was part of some feud/trouble amongst Wolves and she'd be targeted for that alone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 3:22:37 GMT -5
Hayley went to Klaus and ratted Tyler and the hybrids out.
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Post by Kiki on Nov 1, 2013 3:30:16 GMT -5
I am confused about Katherine and what she is. I am not sure she is a vampire. Maybe she is immortal or she is a vampire or she is an angel maybe the cure in her system works like the Gilbert ring. She cannot be killed by supernaturals? But what does that mean for our vampires? Last season everyone was risking everything to get the cure for Elena. Now we have Katherine who doesn't die if a vampire drinks her up. So everyone can become human???
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Post by Slash on Nov 1, 2013 4:10:29 GMT -5
Hayley went to Klaus and ratted Tyler and the hybrids out. I said this. Shane had her fill in Klaus if she wanted info on her parents cause Shane needed Klaus in play (Tyler's plan was an attempt to take him out of play). Klaus' reaction is out of her hands unless she told him to slaughter them all, Carol included. Once she told him the Hybrids were free and plotting against him, it was personal for Klaus, as his actions showed. I'm not a fan of how the Hybrids even went about that whole thing. They were free and instead of making terms to be on their own, they plot to kill Klaus? Hey, we work for you x amount of time (maybe even a day job equivalent) but we get some time of our own/to do as we please. However, diplomacy never seemed like an option. It never is until there is a bodycount
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 4:29:11 GMT -5
I am not convinced that she didn't know that they were going to be sacrificed. Watched that clip again and she said expliitly to Tyler "If you leave this town, you might make it out alive" She knew what she was bargaining for. The hybrids wanted to take Klaus down, because he is known to be a vindictive personality. Didn't they say that they were afraid Klaus might hunt them down and kill them all. He hunted Katherine for 500 ys. And he was hunted by his own father for centuries as well.
BTW what Caro said to Tyler comparing his revenge to Klaus personality reminded me pretty much of a scene in the old Ben Hur film, when Esther said to Ben Hur while he was in full revenge mode that he is more and more the ghost of Messala.
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Post by Slash on Nov 1, 2013 4:54:07 GMT -5
Diplomacy, how does it work? A middle ground could have been found. Caroline could have talked to him on the Hybrids' behalf and got them some sort of conscription deal. Work for Klaus as a 'Thank You' for not having to be forced to turn anymore and the added immortality and when that time is up, the Hybrids are free to go. Obviously, some ground rules would have to be set for Klaus so he himself doesn't force the Hybrids to rebel and he wouldn't have absolute control over them but he's still got them if he needs them. And being on good terms with them would be good.for the future for both parties: Hybrids go back home and tell other Wolves about the terns, possibly sending more recruits Klaus' way. And Klaus with his resources might even help you in the future if such a deal fosters a friendship with some of the Hybrids.
I know you have to serve under him in this case but it's a lot better than the end result. I'm a clown though for thinking deals could be cut in the TVD universe instead of resorting simply to killing the opposition at first attempt. I have something you want, you may benefit me in some way, let's talk.
Bah. If Tyler wants to show up in NO, he can be my guest. Maybe Marcel will let Klaus use his Garden to put Tyler's body if he actually comes there looking for a fight. Actually, I can see Tyler targeting Hailey simply based on the fact that she means something to Klaus and is the easiest one to kill...if you get past the 3 Originals. He may not be able to kill Klaus but he can hurt him and since Hailey ratted him out, he could easily justify the action.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 7:55:08 GMT -5
Diplomacy, how does it work? A middle ground could have been found. Caroline could have talked to him on the Hybrids' behalf and got them some sort of conscription deal. Work for Klaus as a 'Thank You' for not having to be forced to turn anymore and the added immortality and when that time is up, the Hybrids are free to go. Obviously, some ground rules would have to be set for Klaus so he himself doesn't force the Hybrids to rebel and he wouldn't have absolute control over them but he's still got them if he needs them. And being on good terms with them would be good.for the future for both parties: Hybrids go back home and tell other Wolves about the terns, possibly sending more recruits Klaus' way. And Klaus with his resources might even help you in the future if such a deal fosters a friendship with some of the Hybrids. I know you have to serve under him in this case but it's a lot better than the end result. I'm a clown though for thinking deals could be cut in the TVD universe instead of resorting simply to killing the opposition at first attempt. I have something you want, you may benefit me in some way, let's talk. Bah. If Tyler wants to show up in NO, he can be my guest. Maybe Marcel will let Klaus use his Garden to put Tyler's body if he actually comes there looking for a fight. Actually, I can see Tyler targeting Hailey simply based on the fact that she means something to Klaus and is the easiest one to kill...if you get past the 3 Originals. He may not be able to kill Klaus but he can hurt him and since Hailey ratted him out, he could easily justify the action. I would agree with you on this if ELIJAH were the negotiating partner, he makes a deal he keeps the deal and upholds his word. But you can't...I don't trust Klaus, not one ounce. And when has he proved that he is trustworthy?
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