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Post by Ruby on Jun 24, 2013 12:23:11 GMT -5
I figured we can make a discussion about the whole Doppelgänger story on TVD.
So far we have known of One Doppelgänger story which was from the Petrova Bloodline. Tatiana>Katerina>Elena who were supposedly created to be able to break Klaus’ curse. Why that specific bloodline? How does the Petrova bloodline tie into the Silas Story?
Although we have not known much about the whole Doppelgänger mythology we do know that they are:
• Supernatural Beings • Their Blood is special while Human • Rare beings • Possibly appear every 500 years?
Somehow Mikael (Bekah and Elijah’s Father) knew of Elena from when she was still young at age. (which in my opinion was a lame story on why Abby abandoned her daughter for) How did he know of her? I doubt that will ever be answered.
Now we Have Silas with his own Doppelgänger/Shadow Self which is Stefan.
He told Stefan he needed to have a version of him that could die. Were there other Doppelgängers of Silas before Stefan? If Silas was a Warlock that means in Stefan’s bloodline there is the witch line. From the Salvatore line or the Mother’s side which is barely spoken of.
Does Stefan’s Ripper Side Effect have to do with the fact that he is from Silas bloodline?
This was taken from an essay posted in the stefan thread:
"When Silas explains that the spell that turned him to stone broke because Bonnie died, Stefan says, “But Bonnie’s not dead.” And Silas replies, “It doesn’t matter, does it?” Is Silas just giving Stefan the brush-off because he’s about to dump him over the falls, or is there a supernatural significance to Silas’s comment? Since Silas and Stefan are doppelgangers, was Silas 17 years old, like Stefan is, when he became an immortal, Qetsiyah imprisoned him, and she created the Other Side? Or is he more, like, 30, but could pass for 17 on a TV show?
Silas has demonstrated a voracious appetite for blood. Is Stefan’s status as Silas’s doppelganger somehow connected to his tendency to go into full-on Ripper mode?
Is the Other Side a place of isolation or is it possible to “hang out” with your other dead supernatural buddies? Witches seem to have a position of power and ability on the Other Side (Qetsiyah reaffirms Vaughn’s mission, for example); does that mean that Bonnie will be connected to other witches, her Grams? Qetsiyah? Silas will know, from psychically gleaning from that Stefan, that Elena had the cure. How long will it take before Silas realizes that Elena no longer has the cure? What will he do when he realizes his one goal in life — to die — is unachievable? Go to college? Raise some hell?"
Wanted to see what you guys thought about it and what can come up with regarding the whole story of Doppelgängers.
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Post by Slash on Jun 24, 2013 13:48:33 GMT -5
Silas said his doppelganger line was created as the natural balance to him being immortal. So that means that at whatever age he was when he became immortal, he would have already had a child with someone to create his own bloodline to carry his genes (possibly with this other lover). Going with that train of thought, it could be possible that Tatiana was just an ordinary girl but when Esther used her in the spell to turn her family into Vampires, Tatiana's bloodline (the Petrovas) then became 'activated' as a doppelganger bloodline to balance out the turning of the Mikaelsons/creation of Vampires. Her bloodline would act as the means to deal with their creation outside of the White Oak (like we saw Esther attempt).
I do believe that Silas and his lineage down to Stefan is the reason Stefan has the Ripper side. Vampires are a new creation as far as Silas is concerned (their creation coming 1000 years after his turning immortal) and since Vampires do play on that one trait of Silas' (immortality to a lesser extent), Stefan's turning probably triggered that appetite for blood in a very different manner from others turning. I do also think we need a look at the family tree. Either there is a difference in Mothers with the Salvatores or it's simply a case of the gene skipping out on Damon (still interested in knowing the whole relationship/backstory with Damon, Stefan and their father since their father was playing favorites).
I thought Bonnie already mentioned that since she died and 'dealt' with Silas at the time, that she was allowed contact with her Spirits again? She said she could talk to her ancestors. As for the Other Side, there has to be some logic behind it's creation. Supernaturals had to have been going somewhere before it's creation and for Qetsiah to create the place, she either had to have some knowledge of what was happening to Witches/Supes after they died or she wanted to create a place where Witches would then be able to monitor the 'balance'. This is one of those things that needs a few more details before I can get a good grasp on it.
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Post by Kiki on Jun 24, 2013 13:55:06 GMT -5
I'm very curious about the doppelgänger and shadowself storyline. Sounds like a lot of mythology guessing and I love that. Didn't Lexi say to Alaric that the other side sucks? So I don't think they can hang out with their other dead supernatural buddies. And it didn't sound like Lexi and Alaric did hang out on the other side. But Anna was reunited with her mom so... who knows. Another part of the mythology that has to be revealed. The mythology guessing is the one thing that had me excited last season and if I have to watch Delena I am glad I still have a little mythology to be excited about
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Post by Ruby on Jun 24, 2013 14:27:22 GMT -5
I was thinking the same things regarding Stefan and Damon's mother. If there is a possibility that they had different Mothers or even fathers for that matter which could explain the issue witht he sons.
And I think there has to be a reason why Esther used Tatiana's blood. My theory was that Tatiana is ancestor of Silas other Lover…Because they all seem to end up together throughout the generations.
The originals, The Bennett Line, Petrova Line and even Possibly now the Salvatore Line! So I'm interested in knowing and its one of the aspects I'm definitely looking forward to for Season 5 because Julie said that was going to be one of the focus' for the show.
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Post by katvolley13 on Sept 29, 2013 11:18:41 GMT -5
One thing Julie plec said awhile back is that they know how the story ends and it is going to be amazing. I am wondering how the doppelganger thing plays into all that. It is always great to know the history of the two elena and stefen as well as Katherine and silus. So my question is what if they had died right lived a normal human life and died or just died in a tragic way would another doppelganger have popped up in a few hundred years. would they have had to have a child. How does this work?
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Post by Ruby on Sept 29, 2013 11:22:03 GMT -5
I know what you're saying. I'm not too convinced that they had all this completely planned out. Like I guess they knew how they would like it to end but things and the direction can always change. So ergo know what could happen.
I just really hope they kick ass with this storyline and bring it full circle.
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Post by Kiki on Sept 29, 2013 14:50:52 GMT -5
One thing Julie plec said awhile back is that they know how the story ends and it is going to be amazing. I am wondering how the doppelganger thing plays into all that. It is always great to know the history of the two elena and stefen as well as Katherine and silus. So my question is what if they had died right lived a normal human life and died or just died in a tragic way would another doppelganger have popped up in a few hundred years. would they have had to have a child. How does this work? Maybe the doppelgängers were supposed to live a normal life and die and another doppelgänger would pop up somewhere so there would only be one at a time and with Katherine, Stefan and now Elena becoming vampires nature got out of balance
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Post by Ruby on Oct 17, 2013 22:04:23 GMT -5
I guess this thread will be a bit more active.... Well this is something I noticed. Amara and Silas...Parallel to Stefan and Elena Katherine
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Post by Kiki on Oct 18, 2013 10:20:34 GMT -5
I guess this thread will be a bit more active.... Well this is something I noticed. Amara and Silas...Parallel to Stefan and Elena Katherine fits perfect but I somehow doubt that the writers already had the whole Doppelgänger storyline in such detail when they were filming that Stefan - Katherine scene
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Post by Ruby on Oct 18, 2013 10:52:21 GMT -5
Questions about the doppelganger
Why is the doppelganger blood special?
With the souls finding eachother does it mean they are just drawn to each other and the rest happens on its own?
Can Stefan fall for either Katherine or Elena or for the one that is his true love? or in fact if each doppelgänger has its own pair for each generation does that mean Katherine missed out on her actual pair and skipped ahead to Stefan which messed up the rotation for each? Because if its like that technically Stefan is not even suppose to be with Elena because Elena's Soulmate should be within her generation. Does that mean we can possibly meet another doppelgänger or the fact that Stefan, Katherine and Elena were turned kind of messed up the domino effect of them meeting in the correct generation. (sorry im rambling)
What's Damon's role in the doppelganger story because along with his brother he has fallen for two doppelgangers.
Can the doppelganger soul mate connection be broken?
Now that stefan is linked to silas will that mean if one does the other will die?
Does Quetsiah care if the doppelgangers end up together? She mentioned she has had to watch time and time again them find eachother. She never said if any of them have found happiness.
Could it be there will be obstacles in the way for the doppelgangers as long as silas and Amara are apart?
These are my list of many questions I have. Feel free to share your thoughts xoxo.
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Post by Kiki on Oct 18, 2013 12:52:38 GMT -5
Questions about the doppelganger
Why is the doppelganger blood special?
May I add is the female doppelgänger blood different from the male version? Elena's blood can produce Hybrids what can Stefan's blood do?
With the souls finding eachother does it mean they are just drawn to each other and the rest happens on its own? Can Stefan fall for either Katherine or Elena or for the one that is his true love? or in fact if each doppelgänger has its own pair for each generation does that mean Katherine missed out on her actual pair and skipped ahead to Stefan which messed up the rotation for each? Because if its like that technically Stefan is not even suppose to be with Elena because Elena's Soulmate should be within her generation. Does that mean we can possibly meet another doppelgänger or the fact that Stefan, Katherine and Elena were turned kind of messed up the domino effect of them meeting in the correct generation. (sorry im rambling)
What triggers the birth of a new doppelgänger? But I think Stefan is only supposed to connect to Elena. Otherwise he would have the same strong feelings for Katherine, too and I doubt he ever had. He tried to kill her!! And Katherine and Elena don't love Silas so I think it's either Stefan is Elena's connection or they all feel connected but Stefan and Elena are special because they love each other so much. But you are right, I was wondering all the time where Katherine's soulmate is. Silas-Amara, Stefan-Elena, Katherine-? Can I handle 3 times Paul Wesley... oh YES I CAN
What's Damon's role in the doppelganger story because along with his brother he has fallen for two doppelgangers.
Every doppelgänger has an obstacle that keeps him away from his one true love. For Silas it was Quetsiyah and for Stefan it's Damon
Can the doppelganger soul mate connection be broken?
I hope so because only this can prove that Stelena's love is real. At least it shouldn't be the reason for Delena's break up. And Stefan told Lexi in S1 that he doesn't want to win Elena with his supernatural powers because he wants it to be real.
Now that stefan is linked to silas will that mean if one does the other will die?
But Silas is immortal or did the linkspell change that? I'm curious what the whole linked spell means. Was Stefan losing his memory part of the spell or was it just a treat Tessa gave to Damon because she thinks they share the same destiny? And what about the promo for next episode. Damon causing the car accident? Maybe he's testing if hurting Stefan will hurt Silas like hurting Katherine hurt Elena in Season 1
Does Quetsiah care if the doppelgangers end up together? She mentioned she has had to watch time and time again them find eachother. She never said if any of them have found happiness.
Didn't she say "I came back for YOU"? Maybe if she cannot have Silas she wants Stefan now? Like Damon wanted Elena when he couldn't have Katherine? Maybe Damon and Tessa are connected, too?
Could it be there will be obstacles in the way for the doppelgangers as long as silas and Amara are apart?
So all Doppelgänger pairings will be happy once Silas and Amara are happy? What about Katherine then?
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Post by napoli on Oct 18, 2013 12:54:43 GMT -5
Amara would have had to have a baby to start the line of doppelgangers....great Stefan and Elena are related...well 2000 years of family apart - it could be worse!
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Post by Maddy... on Oct 18, 2013 16:06:52 GMT -5
Tessa said that she has seen generations of the doppelgängers falling in love. Does that mean there are more Stefan and Elena's roaming around? Or we're they just mortals who found there way to each other? Maybe we will see more doppelgängers in S5
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Post by Ruby on Oct 18, 2013 16:11:56 GMT -5
Tessa said that she has seen generations of the doppelgängers falling in love. Does that mean there are more Stefan and Elena's roaming around? Or we're they just mortals who found there way to each other? Maybe we will see more doppelgängers in S5 thats the thing we dont know... their could be another stedan around in elenas generation
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Post by Ruby on Oct 21, 2013 9:20:22 GMT -5
Okay So I was thinking. We know the Doppelgangers are supernatural in themselves. Their blood is magical and now we know that they are naturally drawn together because of their destined fate. We all wondered how was it possible (well most SE Fans) for Elena to fall out of love so quickly from Stefan after she turned. Some blamed it on the Sirebond while other fans just say she was in denial since human and was already in love with Damon which created the sire bond. What if becoming a vampire already broke the doppelgänger destiny chord for Elena. Thats why she is in love with Damon now. If we think about it... Katherine and Stefan:Stefan before being compelled and knew Katherine's true nature had confessed to Katherine he was falling for her. He loved her. As far as we know Katherine grew to love Stefan as well even as a vampire. When Stefan turned...He swears he realized he never loved Katherine, whatever feelings he had for her broke. So was Katherine's true love Stefan? Because even in death she fell for him. (as we kind of know) Stefan and Elena:Stefan even in death found his true love which was Elena and she fell for him instantly. (maybe because of the doppelgängers fate) When she died and turned into a vampire her feelings faded away because the chord broke realizing she was falling in love with Damon or already had suppressed feelings for Damon. Now that the Doppelgänger history has been revealed and it has some fans with their panties in a twist their are two possible Journey's we can see. Damon and Elena: Overcoming The Universe's pull to bring the Doppelgängers together proving their love is the real deal and showing the universe they have their own Destiny they wish to fulfill OR
Stefan and Elena: Proving that they are in fact each other's true love and although their Doppelgänger connection might be broken, they will Fall in Love all over again because they are and always will be Soul mates. OR A BONUS JOURNEY:
STEFAN AND KATHERINE: Katherine turning human and Stefan loosing his memories might end up being a second chance in the making for these two. Could they possibly find love in the middle of their chaos of lives right now? Which one are you looking forward to? Share your thoughts. (Respectfully and Accordingly OF COURSE)
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