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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 18:39:57 GMT -5
Who was your favorite Character of TVD and why?
Difficult, very difficult... My favourite female is Caroline, she's my girl. Bubbly, organised, strong and confident.
My male favourite is Elijah, he is the vamp of my dreams...effortless and casual like a ballett, he is the epitome of a nobleman. For me he is and will always remain the true king of kings on TVD. Elegant, suave and badass, always controlled. He is zenlike and the most mature of them all.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 18:43:18 GMT -5
Moshe you can always select all abd copy it before you hit send just in case it doesnt post Thank you for the advice Ruby! I will bare that in mind the next time
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Post by napoli on May 30, 2013 18:54:51 GMT -5
Day 3.Who was your favorite Character of TVD and why?
Stefan. He was the most consistent and honourable this season. He was honest about his desire to help/cure Elena and he never wavered.
He also kept his distance and respected Damon and Elena's relationship with him even deciding to leave MF so they can be a couple in peace.
Stefan has a true desire not to repeat the mistakes of the past with Damon and was willing to make the sacrifice of leaving all his friends in MF to make this happen.
Stefan is truly selfless as he always puts the needs of others above himself. Stefan admitted on the island that every moment of being a vampire has been hell for him yet when Elena gave him the cure in 4x23 he immediately gave it back to her and told her that everything he did to get the cure was for Elena.
Stefan also didn't pressure Elena to tell him about her feelings. He lets Elena take her own time in speaking without being putting her on the spot.
Stefan also values all his friends and would sacrifice his life to save all those around him and not just Elena.
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Post by katvolley13 on May 30, 2013 19:42:16 GMT -5
My favo were favorite character is Katherine obviously not a surprise to anyone. I love her backstory which is different than what you might expect from a cold hearted person. Katherine may be very selfish but occasionally she surprises us all and aves someones life or saves everyone. Many times she has been the heroine but she is the villain so we cant really be thankful for what she does. Her actions are fascinating to me. She is way more interesting to me than elena. My favorite male actually is Elijah. He also is so fun to watch and moral. when they together I was so excited but jp crushed my dreams again.
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Post by teppy1 on May 30, 2013 20:06:50 GMT -5
Least favorite episodes- 1. Because the Night- it did not have Stefan or Bonnie really and what they did with the Lexi flashback ugh! 2. A View to a Kil;- Kol died and it was bs. 3. Memorial because De blood sharing Stefan call Elena out and she only responds with "why am I crying." then Stefan consoles her and comes up with a plan to make her feel better and it ends with Damon saying "I didn't get the girl" to Alaric's ghost.. which is a sore subject right now.
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Post by teppy1 on May 30, 2013 20:08:44 GMT -5
My favorite character is Stefan. He is the most genuine character on the show, he is adorable, and I just love him. A VERY close second would be Bonnie for the very same reasons.
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Post by deb on May 31, 2013 5:09:10 GMT -5
Least episodes I liked... "Graduation" because nothing, absolutely NOTHING, made sense, and I hated that Stefan was drowning in the end "My Brother's Keeper" for obvious reasons... DEx happened, Damon was an awful brother and Stefan was so hurt "We All Go a Little Mad Sometimes" I didn't like this episode because of the way Elena treated Stefan when all he was trying to do was help her and because of the SE break up. (Yeah, you can all probablty tell by now that I used to be a huge SE shipper ) Favorite Character of TVD and why Stefan, obviously, for all the reasons Teppy mentioned and because through all of this huge mess of a season, he was the one who was faithful to himself and who he is. Even when he was lost in season 3, the real Stefan was still in there. I wonder where the real Elena was this season because I doubt it that she's still in there... I love it how Stefan never gave up on her, how he cares about and helps everyone in MF, for selfless reasons. I love his friendship with Caroline (I hope the writers aren't going to ruin that too), the way he was trying to be a better man and leave MF to let DE be happy... I just don't like it that he forgives Damon everything. If I could, I would change that in Stefan.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 7:08:40 GMT -5
Who in your opinion got the most character growth?
Definitely Tyler, he was grown up all of a sudden between season 2 and 3, took a point, stood for his ideals, he is a good boyfriend (I love Forwood). Tyler Lockwood is awesome, a good son, a good boyfriend, a good packleader and a good friend to have. One you can rely on. And I am glad he is coming back to Mystic Falls again next fall
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Post by napoli on May 31, 2013 9:41:32 GMT -5
Day 4.Who was your LEAST favorite Character AND why?Damon has not evolved in any way since season 1. He still thinks its okay to kill people, feed off them, compel them and use them for his own selfish purposes. Damon rarely apologizes for his bad deeds and deep down he believes his horrible actions are okay because it's okay to be bad with a purpose. Damon is physically abusive with Stefan - nearly ripping his heart out this season to force Stefan to tell him about the cure and Klaus' connection even though Stefan was keeping it secret to keep everyone safe from Klaus. Damon is disrespectful of Stefan and his relationship with Elena. Damon slept with Elena within days of Stefan and Elena breaking up with Damon telling Elena he isn't sorry they broke up to begin with. Damon openly lied to Stefan when he found out about the breakup and feigned to be sorry to try to help Stefan. Damon's worse transgression this whole series has been keeping Elena under the sire bond. Damon knew from the witch in New Orleans how to set Elena free and even though Damon kept saying he had to do right by Elena, he was selfish and didn't set her free. I believe this is worse than what he did to Caroline and Andie only because Elena seemed to be able to bring out the best in Damon, but in the end we see that even with Elena he treats her like his personal puppet to do with as he pleases. Damon's horrible behaviour with Elena simply proves once again that Damon only cares about himself and his man pain. Damon does not deserve any happiness. Damon deserves nothing but misery and pain. I hope there is some serious retribution for Damon's disgusting actions next season.
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Post by Ruby on May 31, 2013 11:21:30 GMT -5
Day 4.Who was your LEAST favorite Character AND why?Damon has not evolved in any way since season 1. He still thinks its okay to kill people, feed off them, compel them and use them for his own selfish purposes. Damon rarely apologizes for his bad deeds and deep down he believes his horrible actions are okay because it's okay to be bad with a purpose. Damon is physically abusive with Stefan - nearly ripping his heart out this season to force Stefan to tell him about the cure and Klaus' connection even though Stefan was keeping it secret to keep everyone safe from Klaus. Damon is disrespectful of Stefan and his relationship with Elena. Damon slept with Elena within days of Stefan and Elena breaking up with Damon telling Elena he isn't sorry they broke up to begin with. Damon openly lied to Stefan when he found out about the breakup and feigned to be sorry to try to help Stefan. Damon's worse transgression this whole series has been keeping Elena under the sire bond. Damon knew from the witch in New Orleans how to set Elena free and even though Damon kept saying he had to do right by Elena, he was selfish and didn't set her free. I believe this is worse than what he did to Caroline and Andie only because Elena seemed to be able to bring out the best in Damon, but in the end we see that even with Elena he treats her like his personal puppet to do with as he pleases. Damon's horrible behaviour with Elena simply proves once again that Damon only cares about himself and his man pain. Damon does not deserve any happiness. Damon deserves nothing but misery and pain. I hope there is some serious retribution for Damon's disgusting actions next season. Wooof You went in on Damon. I know many dislike Damon here but I will defend him for this post so do not try to shoot me or I will ban you lmao </img> KIDDING (LOVE THESE SMILIES HAHAHA)Anyway…I think that Damon struggled alot with the sire bond. Yes he did Stefan dirty by trying to console him when he broke it off with Elena and then within the same day he tells Elena thats he's not sorry about it and then goes aheads and sleeps with her. When Elena said to Damon that they needed to tell Stefan Damon held it off completely and said to wait and then spent the whole day with Stefan and didn't tell him.
But Once Damon knew about the Sirebond he tried his very best to not take advantage of it and you saw him struggle with it. He didn't let her go completely the way that the witch in NO told him how to but seriously I think it was a little more complicated then that. Him doing so would had meant that he would have had to leave Mystic Falls behind without ever having to See Elena or even his brother again. I think it was asking too much of Damon at the time, THere was still a bunch of things going down in Mystic Falls for him to up and leave and it kind of shows that Damon does care whats going (because of Elena or w.e) He eventually let her go temporarily keeping himself away from her and who knows what Damon would have done if she wouldn't had ever called him to say that she's in love with him. Maybe he would had eventually left. I don't blame Damon for being a bit selfish at this moment because he's been in love with Elena forever and when he finally gets her he just has to get up and go? Its a tough situation to be in.
While Elena was having doubts with Stefan and the whole trust issues Damon was trying to do right by them. He told her she should have called Stefan when the whole thing with jeremy went down but the inflict of distrust was already set in motion due to Damon telling her not to trust Stefan when he was working with Klaus. and then telling Elena about the cure and thats what Stefan was unto the whole time.
I guess in Damon's mind once she was single it was fair game. Was it right that he slept with her right away hell nah but Do I think Damon deserves Misery? Nope not at all…they all have been through so much and I think he deserves happiness. I just hope he finds it else where then it being Elena.
Ok now let me go hide lol
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Post by napoli on May 31, 2013 13:10:23 GMT -5
Wooof You went in on Damon. I know many dislike Damon here but I will defend him for this post so do not try to shoot me or I will ban you lmao </img> KIDDING (LOVE THESE SMILIES HAHAHA)Anyway…I think that Damon struggled alot with the sire bond. Yes he did Stefan dirty by trying to console him when he broke it off with Elena and then within the same day he tells Elena thats he's not sorry about it and then goes aheads and sleeps with her. When Elena said to Damon that they needed to tell Stefan Damon held it off completely and said to wait and then spent the whole day with Stefan and didn't tell him.
But Once Damon knew about the Sirebond he tried his very best to not take advantage of it and you saw him struggle with it. He didn't let her go completely the way that the witch in NO told him how to but seriously I think it was a little more complicated then that. Him doing so would had meant that he would have had to leave Mystic Falls behind without ever having to See Elena or even his brother again. I think it was asking too much of Damon at the time, THere was still a bunch of things going down in Mystic Falls for him to up and leave and it kind of shows that Damon does care whats going (because of Elena or w.e) He eventually let her go temporarily keeping himself away from her and who knows what Damon would have done if she wouldn't had ever called him to say that she's in love with him. Maybe he would had eventually left. I don't blame Damon for being a bit selfish at this moment because he's been in love with Elena forever and when he finally gets her he just has to get up and go? Its a tough situation to be in.
While Elena was having doubts with Stefan and the whole trust issues Damon was trying to do right by them. He told her she should have called Stefan when the whole thing with jeremy went down but the inflict of distrust was already set in motion due to Damon telling her not to trust Stefan when he was working with Klaus. and then telling Elena about the cure and thats what Stefan was unto the whole time.
I guess in Damon's mind once she was single it was fair game. Was it right that he slept with her right away hell nah but Do I think Damon deserves Misery? Nope not at all…they all have been through so much and I think he deserves happiness. I just hope he finds it else where then it being Elena.
Ok now let me go hide lol No, I don't want to shoot you but I still want to shoot Damon. Until the writers have Damon go through a redemption I will never fell badly for him. As Stefan said to Damon in 4x23 'You reap what you sow.' We happen to be at a point in the story where Damon seems to have gotten his true happiness but we will see next season that because he obtained his desire - Elena - in the most dishonorable fashion that it will crumble.
In your argument you mention that Damon really struggled with whether or not the break the sire bond. Where is your proof that he struggled? Because he sort of had a grimace on his face. That's not struggling. In that episode 4x08 we saw in the flashback with Lexi that Damon wanted to follow Stefan to Egypt. Even though Lexi thought it would ruin Stefan's progress, Damon still had his bags packed and ready to go. Damon had just killed 12 innocents to get rid of his inconvenient, nuisance, siree Charlotte yet his goal was to go off and have fun Stefan. Lexi forced Damon not to follow Stefan. Yet Damon called himself selfless to Stefan when retelling the story. Damon is incapable of being selfless. This was foreshadowing of Damon being incapable of being selfless with Elena. Unless someone forces Damon, he will choose himself over any one else, every time. Stefan's mistake was trusting him and sadly because of the sire bond Elena had no choice but to trust Damon.
Setting the person free, Damon supposedly loves and would die for, is asking too much of Damon at that time? Why, because he is a selfish baby, who only worries about his man pain? Why should I feel bad for Damon and give him a pass? Damon's the one who obsessed over Katherine for 145+ years and she rejected him. Maybe if Damon had treated Caroline or Andie like decent human beings instead like his personal blood bags and compelling them to do his dirty work, Damon may have known true love. Both Caroline and Andie seemed to be genuinely interested in Damon prior to him terrorizing them. But I suppose they didn't look like his obsession Katherine or worse, Stefan wasn't interested romantically in either of them so Caroline and Andie weren't worthy of Damon's affections. I mean, why have a relationship with someone unless you can screw your brother over at the same time. Once Damon realized that Elena feelings may be real, Damon didn't care that it may have been a product of the sire bond and didn't say the same thing he said to Charotte to set Elena free(4x09) because he didn't wanted to lose Elena. Damon had stated to Stefan how he finally has Elena in a good place. As with Caroline and Andie, Damon prefers his women pliable to his needs and whims. The sire bond was a gift to a psychopath like Damon.
Damon always states that he would die for Elena but when has he ever put himself in harm's way to actually save her? Big words from a little man.
You're not the first one to mention that letting Elena go would have meant leaving her and MF behind. But this is what you do when you are selfless - you put the needs of the one you love first. Damon is selfish so of course he could never do that. It truly makes you wonder if he truly loves Elena because then he would have put her feelings first. Damon's love is about how it makes him feel. Even his love is selfish. This is why the writers refer to Damon's love as consuming. Damon takes and takes from Elena - his current obsession - until Elena literally doesn't exist anymore. Who else would give a crap if Damon left MF anyways? Who, besides Elena, would Damon really miss? Stefan's the one who realized they can't be repeating history over and over and is ready to leave MF so Damon and Elena can have a peaceful relationship. Yet it is Stefan who is truly sacrificing. It is Stefan who has made real connections to so many in MF including Caroline, Bonnie and Jeremy. It is Stefan who is ready to leave all has built and loves behind. Why is it so hard to have expected Damon to do the same when Stefan has no problem to do the same thing?
When you write 'He (Damon) eventually let her go temporarily keeping himself away from her...) this is false. The witch in NO was very clear with what Damon had to say to free Elena. Even in an interview JP said '...he didn't quite go full monty as far as what he should have instructed her to do.' www.hollywood.com/news/tv/46127490/vampire-diaries-boss-talks-klaus-holiday-massacre-the-sire-bond-and-more?page=all When you compare what he told Charlotte versus what he told Elena, the two are not similar in the least. Damon told Elena to go home but that's it. Damon made her go home knowing full well she would just sit there and be stewing over him. Remember Charlotte and her 70 years of counting the bricks that Damon was aware of. Damon knew that Elena wouldn't have simply forgotten about him just because he sent her home. If anything Damon did this to appease his own guilt. But instead of actually doing right by Elena, he failed once again.
I find this line '...and who knows what Damon would have done if she wouldn't had ever called him to say that she's in love with him. Maybe he would had eventually left.' offensive. You're victim blaming. The whole point of the sire bond is that it creates the illusion of free will and forces the victim to implicitly trust the sire where the victim's one desire is to please her master. Again, Damon saw what his flippant remark about counting bricks did to Charolotte, yet he couldn't make the connection to what he was doing to Elena? It's because he didn't want to. It's almost like saying, well maybe if that woman hadn't been drunk or wearing that short skirt...you see where this is going? Damon has the power. Damon is the one in control. Although, he was not aware of the sire bond when they had sex and he did refrain from sexual activities with Elena once finding out about the sire bond it still doesn't excuse Damon from not letting Elena go.
When you write 'I don't blame Damon for being a bit selfish at this moment because he's been in love with Elena forever and when he finally gets her he just has to get up and go? Its a tough situation to be in.' it isn't true. Damon has been in love with Katherine forever. In MF timeline, Damon has been in love with his brother's girlfriend for about a year. Damon can manage without Katherine for 145 years yet he can't keep his paws off Elena for a few weeks once she broke up with Stefan. Yes, Elena was fair game once SE broke up. But seriously, it was his brother's ex-grilfirend.
Damon was also so clueless to Elena having a hard time with her transition. Just days prior she had written in her journal that she was having suicidal thoughts but that she didn't want to leave Jeremy alone. Yet Damon, being the the great guy that he's supposed to be has no clue what's really going on with her. Stefan, Caroline, Bonnie and Jeremy all know that something is wrong with Elena except Damon. Damon says he's never seen her so alive because of course she had become a Damon-bot due to the sire bond. Somehow Damon figured out with Tyler that Tyler was sired to Klaus and Damon knew about Charlotte being sired to him yet with Elena he couldn't clue in that may be she was sired to him? But Damon's needs come first. He wants Elena so what does it matter if she is sired as long as he gets what he wants.
You also say that Damon was careful with what he said to Elena but given that Damon was not 100% sure how the sire bond even worked how did he even know what was and what wasn't a command. Damon had Elena go home when he wanted, then summoned her back when he was ready, had Elena trust him with Jeremy when previously Elena would have never left Jeremy alone with Damon. Damon also ensured Elena could never take the cure because he was clear that even if Elena loved him if she was human it still wasn't enough for him because eventually she would die and he would still be alone. That was quite possibly the most selfish quote of the series.
The fact that Damon kept flip-flopping this season about the cure for Elena shows that his opinion would change based on how Elena reacted to him. While she still had her humanity then he wasn't really interested in the cure telling her outright on the island that her taking it would doom them even if she still loved him as a human. Then with no-humanity he was okay to take her to NY and play, screw the cure and her humanity, until Elena took off with Rebekah after having his neck snapped. And then lastly, Damon idly sat by and let Rebekah take the cure even after he had just finished telling Stefan that he wanted the cure for Elena. Damon was so worried about Elena not loving him that he doesn't care about Elena - it's all about Damon's feelings.
Damon deserves only misery and heartache and as Damon has said in the past, I'd say I'm sorry but I'm not.
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Post by Ruby on May 31, 2013 13:40:15 GMT -5
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Post by tara on May 31, 2013 14:04:35 GMT -5
Day 2.What were your least favorite 3 episodes and why?
1) Graduation- Obviously the choice was the worst for me. But the Stefan torture was just horrible. Him hearing the DE talk, losing Lexi, than getting trapped under water. Wasn't a good episode for Stefan fans.
2) O Come, All Ye Faithful- All the DE lakehouse stuff just ruined a lot of SE moments and I hated seeing Stefan hurting like that. Also Damon lying to Stefan over it all.
3) Memorial- The DE bloodsharing was just hard to watch. Damons disrespect towards Stefan again, and knowing what it meant and still going through with it. Just ugh.
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Post by tara on May 31, 2013 14:12:21 GMT -5
Day 3.Who was your favorite Character of TVD and why?
My favorite is Stefan (Caroline is a close 2nd). But Stefans character depth and complexity wins it for me. He's a vampire and obviously that brings certain characteristics, but he fights to be a better person. He doesn't use being a vampire as an excuse. He wants his humanity, and tries to lead as normal of life as possible. He puts the ones he loves ahead of himself. He always sacrifices himself for others. He respects the people around him. When he messes up he owns up to it. He's not perfect, but he's close to it.
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Post by napoli on May 31, 2013 14:48:25 GMT -5
Wow I feel sorry for me when We get some DE's who feel strongly about it that you do about your hate for Damon etc hahahahahah and then they get into a debate with you. I can see it now oh lord hahahahah. You would have hated our other place but you probably would have been shutting some Des up or Riling them up lol but anyways You made some valid points! I will definitely get back to them though later on when I get home because I am at work and I will need to sit down and get into this one! =D But that's the thing my preference is to not engage in any DE debates. If we ever get any DE fans, I will never go to the Damon or Delana folders. Under this neutral folder if anyone writes about how much they hate Stefan then I will not answer because once I saw the topic - anti-Stefan or anti-SE - I would not read it. I know that sounds horrible but there was so much anti-SE, anti-Stefan, pro-DE, pro-Damon on the other site, that I've had my lifetime supply of
My preference even on the other site was to only respond or support SE and Stefan fans - there weren't any Bonnie, Caroline or other character fans but I don't really mind any other pairings Forwood, Klaroline, Maroline, Mabekah, Beremy, Bamon etc. so I will engage in discussion with them with the one exception of Steroline - hate it! It was only if someone responded to one of my postings, as you have done, that I would respond in return. I will read your response and I may still respond in return depending on what you write, but no one, except for the writers changing Damon's character, can change how I feel about Damon.
I still get to know the DE perspective because I visit sites like Stelenabeauty, Stelena Appreciation and Mystic downfall which all get anti-Stefan and pro-Damon asks/comments and they all do a fantastic job of responding.
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