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Post by katvolley13 on May 15, 2015 17:20:04 GMT -5
moshe12, I think they are locking Elena up to protect her from vampires seeking the cure. Yes Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
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Post by demetra on May 15, 2015 17:30:10 GMT -5
Okay, I gave it a four. I have only watched it once, I may grant it an upgrade. The feels were just a little forced -- except for poor Alaric!! -- and I swallowed my tongue a bit during Stefan's Delena retcon. (I think we can predict what Julie Plec's and Kevin Williamson's original idea for the series finale might be.) However, all that aside, I loved Stefan's real goodbye to Elena. I also loved his two exchanges with Caroline. The prediction of an apocalyptic near future for Mystic Falls was an interesting and more adult change in tone and echo from the books -- liked that both Matt and Damon were on guard for their hood. Loved that Damon definitely decapitated Kai -- LOL! That was great. It definitely felt like an end -- and a beginning. Do want to see what the season 7 opener brings! What do you think Julie and Kevin had in mind to end it? Because I thought I knew and than I read Julie's bizzfeed interview where she said they will stay faithful to Delena's relationship and that blew what I hoped was my correct theory out the bloody window. KW was Stelena...now, I have no idea what they had in mind. I think based on Julie Plec's Dawson Creek Tweet referencing Elena and Stefan's "See you later" as Joey and Dawson that it was planned to be a Delena ending. Considering they actually re-wrote the book endings to be Delena, you know. But I am going to say something out loud: once a retcon, always a retcon. Never bought it, never will. However, it is laid to rest for 60 years, so let us move on, and welcome back the real Damon Salvatore, who has been freaking MIA for five of the past six years.
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Post by napoli on May 15, 2015 18:04:39 GMT -5
I suppose the way I viewed Stefan's grief over losing Damon was that staying in MF was too much of a reminder that Damon was dead. Stefan saw Damon die when their father shot them and was devastated because he blamed himself. Then he got a second chance to bring his brother back through vampirism but then to lose him again to death was too much. I never got the impression even in this season that Stefan needed to have Damon in his life but just that Stefan needs Damon to be alive. Stefan could easily relocate to another place and create a new life for himself as long as he knew his brother was okay. If Damon and Elena had taken the cure and gone off in isolation for their protection without the possibility of Stefan ever contacting them Stefan wouldn't have fallen apart without Damon because he would have known that Damon was okay. It's that distinction that doesn't bode well for a true Defan story line for next season. Stefan didn't leave though, he integrated back into MF and started picking up the pieces. He tried to talk Damon out of taking the cure, in a pretty extreme way with lots of vivid examples. Before that, he told Damon not to take the cure because he needed his help with Lily. Damon's a part of his life in a way Elena isn't anymore. That's why I don't view Stefan's speech to Caroline as a retcon or a set-up for next year: Stefan gives a fairly accurate answer to Caroline's question of whether he'll be okay with Elena leaving. Once upon a time she was his soul mate. Now, she's also the one who helped him reconnect with his brother, and that matters more to him than losing Elena for awhile. Edit: Actually, it probably was a lead-in to next year, letting the viewer know where Stefan stands with Damon. I agree with that part, just not the retcon part. You're probably right but I don't see the Defan relationship as balanced to a point where Stefan should be in such a need of his brother. Having so little build up (I'll concede Damon's sacrifice was huge and s6 had some Defan connection) with the remaining seasons makes it hard to agree with Elena's sole purpose in Stefan's life was to bring the 2 together.
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Post by damonsgirl on May 15, 2015 18:05:32 GMT -5
Okay, I gave it a four. I have only watched it once, I may grant it an upgrade. The feels were just a little forced -- except for poor Alaric!! -- and I swallowed my tongue a bit during Stefan's Delena retcon. (I think we can predict what Julie Plec's and Kevin Williamson's original idea for the series finale might be.) My personal problem is when someone says goodbye, I suffer and then move on. We had heard enough in advance about Nina's departure that I think I had already moved on? However, when I do the season re-watch, I'm sure I'll turn on my humanity again -- at some point. However, all that aside, I loved Stefan's real goodbye to Elena. I also loved his two exchanges with Caroline. The prediction of an apocalyptic near future for Mystic Falls was an interesting and more adult change in tone and echo from the books -- liked that both Matt and Damon were on guard for their hood. Loved that Damon definitively decapitated Kai -- LOL! That was great. It definitely felt like an end -- and a beginning. Do want to see what the season 7 opener brings! The death of Jolaric was really cold. I like that folks on Twitter called bullcrap on the death of Jo and they are already #BringJoBack. I agree. I also thought Tyler smothering Liv was not romantic but rather gross. I am too old for that one. I liked Liv, too. Too bad they got rid of Jo, Liv and Luke. Liked them all. I don't think the Stefan declaration is a retcon. The basis lies in the fact that since s1, Stefan could not envision a life without Damon. He had a massive influence on turning Damon, and that theme has continued throughout. Stefan cannot let Damon die 2x21, 2x22, 3x01,3x02 etc, and culminated in the 6x05. I am not surprised by this revelation, it was there all along. So, my thoughts on the Finale. I will give it a 4/5 overall. Things I liked- Everything Damon of course, but he was without doubt the MVP of the episode, and I loved him beheading Kai. He has wanted to do that all season, and I loved the fakeout with Bonnie, even though I knew it was a fake out. The goodbye scenes were lovely and earned, but like someone mentioned, the Jer scene was way to short, embarrassingly so. Stefan admitting that Elena was a vehicle for him re connecting with his brother. Things I didn't like. Lily and the heretics. Steroline, because I was just bored. I have no idea what they talked about until I saw gifs on tumblr. Stefan talking about SE over Elena's sleeping form. Liv and Tyler scenes. Boring.
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Post by Ruby on May 15, 2015 18:27:04 GMT -5
I wish there would have been a goodbye stelena kiss. (i know thats far fetching it but hey Elena gave Damon a goodbye kiss in season 2 with the werewolf bite) Kai said that when he died the spell wouldnt be permanent? I couldve sworn he said it. But then he died and it was still active but the cloaking spell dissapeared. I know he said the spell was undone, but how did he make it irreversable also how did he rig it. Really, I don't mean to laugh but you thought there would be an SE kiss? They didn't even dare have Stefan utter the words 'I love you' to Elena. I guess when Damon told Stefan last episode to 'watch it' at the suggestion from Stefan that SE were soul mates the writers decided to take their own advice. In SE's last scene Stefan barely spoke 'I can guarantee you it won't be high school.' and 'I'll see you Elena.' Besides those 2 phrases he just bobbed his head. Kai told Bonnie 'I can't undo the spell Bonnie. My death made it permanent.' You're totally right but that scene to me gave off a goodbye kiss from Elena at least. lol and yea I wish he could've told her I love u too. He said it to caroline about loving elena so why not…and honestly Damon can't get mad about Stefan saying they were soul mates too. because they were. you can't deny it just because u don't like it lol and how the heck did his death make it permanent. how can he set up a spell like that 0_0
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Post by damonsgirl on May 15, 2015 19:19:20 GMT -5
Really, I don't mean to laugh but you thought there would be an SE kiss? They didn't even dare have Stefan utter the words 'I love you' to Elena. I guess when Damon told Stefan last episode to 'watch it' at the suggestion from Stefan that SE were soul mates the writers decided to take their own advice. In SE's last scene Stefan barely spoke 'I can guarantee you it won't be high school.' and 'I'll see you Elena.' Besides those 2 phrases he just bobbed his head. Kai told Bonnie 'I can't undo the spell Bonnie. My death made it permanent.' You're totally right but that scene to me gave off a goodbye kiss from Elena at least. lol and yea I wish he could've told her I love u too. He said it to caroline about loving elena so why not…and honestly Damon can't get mad about Stefan saying they were soul mates too. because they were. you can't deny it just because u don't like it lol and how the heck did his death make it permanent. how can he set up a spell like that 0_0 Ha, Damon wasn't mad at Stefan declaring that SE were soulmates, just that he was implying DE wasn't. I was mad at him to for that, because he has no clue.
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Post by Ruby on May 15, 2015 19:35:48 GMT -5
You're totally right but that scene to me gave off a goodbye kiss from Elena at least. lol and yea I wish he could've told her I love u too. He said it to caroline about loving elena so why not…and honestly Damon can't get mad about Stefan saying they were soul mates too. because they were. you can't deny it just because u don't like it lol and how the heck did his death make it permanent. how can he set up a spell like that 0_0 Ha, Damon wasn't mad at Stefan declaring that SE were soulmates, just that he was implying DE wasn't. I was mad at him to for that, because he has no clue. but why be mad. it was true. Damon probably thought Katherine was his soulmate as well. But i guess stefan was just trying to get him to see all sides before making his decision.
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Post by damonsgirl on May 15, 2015 19:46:56 GMT -5
Ha, Damon wasn't mad at Stefan declaring that SE were soulmates, just that he was implying DE wasn't. I was mad at him to for that, because he has no clue. but why be mad. it was true. Damon probably thought Katherine was his soulmate as well. But i guess stefan was just trying to get him to see all sides before making his decision. The tone of the scene was that Stefan thought that SE were soulmates, and their relationship didn't survive, so what chance does DE have if they don't even have that? Damon was correcting Stefan, because he knows that they are ARE good on that front, despite Stefan's opinions. I liked that Damon stood his ground on that one.
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Post by fangfairy on May 15, 2015 19:58:33 GMT -5
Damon got rightfully mad because Stefan was diminishing his relationship with Elena implying Damon was merely the current filling in the sandwich between him (Stefan) and the next guy, whilst Damon and Elena were making plans to spend the rest of their lives together, as soul mates. (Elena has never planned to spend the rest of her life with Stefan. The one time the subject of forever came up between them, on the rooftop, she qualified it with an " if I want to", meaning she was no way ready to commit just yet. ) Trying to make Damon think his decision through was vitally important, Stefan's way to go about it was thoroughly unpleasant. "Watch it, Stefan" was very mild and restrained, I thought.
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Post by napoli on May 15, 2015 20:35:34 GMT -5
Hold on, I didn't see the last episode, but Damon actually had the nerve to say Watch it when Stefan reference his and Elena's relationship? Seriously? The dude tried going after her while with Stefan how many times and he actually thinks he gets to be offended? I couldn't hate Damon more if the writers were actually trying to do it on purpose. Damon got a little testy last episode and called Stefan selfish even though it was his true love's idea to make sure he was ready to become human. But then again Elena confirmed this episode, as she's already stated several times, that Stefan knows her better than anyone and that Stefan knew before she even said it that she never wanted to be a vampire. I'm sure Damon had a clue but it didn't serve his purposes at the time in s4 so it didn't really matter to him then whether she had the cure or not.
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Post by fangfairy on May 15, 2015 20:51:29 GMT -5
Hold on, I didn't see the last episode, but Damon actually had the nerve to say Watch it when Stefan reference his and Elena's relationship? Seriously? The dude tried going after her while with Stefan how many times and he actually thinks he gets to be offended? I couldn't hate Damon more if the writers were actually trying to do it on purpose. Damon got a little testy last episode and called Stefan selfish even though it was his true love's idea to make sure he was ready to become human. But then again Elena confirmed this episode, as she's already stated several times, that Stefan knows her better than anyone and that Stefan knew before she even said it that she never wanted to be a vampire. I'm sure Damon had a clue but it didn't serve his purposes at the time in s4 so it didn't really matter to him then whether she had the cure or not. It mattered to him a lot. He was dreading what everyone was telling him, that Elena would turn human and not love him anymore, still he gave her the cure as a graduation present. As always, her happiness, her safety was more important to him than his own happiness. As it turned out, Elena didn't want the cure back then and offered it to Stefan instead. This time round she took the cure, and it turns out Damon didn't need to worry. Elena still loves him, more than she thought it humanly possible.
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Post by jennifer on May 15, 2015 20:53:05 GMT -5
Stefan didn't leave though, he integrated back into MF and started picking up the pieces. He tried to talk Damon out of taking the cure, in a pretty extreme way with lots of vivid examples. Before that, he told Damon not to take the cure because he needed his help with Lily. Damon's a part of his life in a way Elena isn't anymore. That's why I don't view Stefan's speech to Caroline as a retcon or a set-up for next year: Stefan gives a fairly accurate answer to Caroline's question of whether he'll be okay with Elena leaving. Once upon a time she was his soul mate. Now, she's also the one who helped him reconnect with his brother, and that matters more to him than losing Elena for awhile. Edit: Actually, it probably was a lead-in to next year, letting the viewer know where Stefan stands with Damon. I agree with that part, just not the retcon part. You're probably right but I don't see the Defan relationship as balanced to a point where Stefan should be in such a need of his brother. Having so little build up (I'll concede Damon's sacrifice was huge and s6 had some Defan connection) with the remaining seasons makes it hard to agree with Elena's sole purpose in Stefan's life was to bring the 2 together. Oh yeah, I don't buy the sole purpose part either. I don't think that's what Stefan was saying, since he agreed with Caroline that Elena was his soul mate. Caroline is different, not the instant attraction, falling hard in love connection he had with Elena.
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Post by napoli on May 15, 2015 21:00:06 GMT -5
You're probably right but I don't see the Defan relationship as balanced to a point where Stefan should be in such a need of his brother. Having so little build up (I'll concede Damon's sacrifice was huge and s6 had some Defan connection) with the remaining seasons makes it hard to agree with Elena's sole purpose in Stefan's life was to bring the 2 together. Oh yeah, I don't buy the sole purpose part either. I don't think that's what Stefan was saying, since he agreed with Caroline that Elena was his soul mate. Caroline is different, not the instant attraction, falling hard in love connection he had with Elena. Check out what I posted in the bubble from Stefelena. It's a little long but it accurately describes how I felt about the Steroline hospital scene in (much) more detail.
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Post by jennifer on May 15, 2015 21:16:47 GMT -5
Damon got a little testy last episode and called Stefan selfish even though it was his true love's idea to make sure he was ready to become human. But then again Elena confirmed this episode, as she's already stated several times, that Stefan knows her better than anyone and that Stefan knew before she even said it that she never wanted to be a vampire. I'm sure Damon had a clue but it didn't serve his purposes at the time in s4 so it didn't really matter to him then whether she had the cure or not. It mattered to him a lot. He was dreading what everyone was telling him, that Elena would turn human and not love him anymore, still he gave her the cure as a graduation present. As always, her happiness, her safety was more important to him than his own happiness. As it turned out, Elena didn't want the cure back then and offered it to Stefan instead. This time round she took the cure, and it turns out Damon didn't need to worry. Elena still loves him, more than she thought it humanly possible. His mom gave Elena the cure this time around when Damon fully understood Elena wanted to be human. He doesn't always choose Elena's happiness. I don't really blame him for it, just saying he has a selfish side.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 22:10:57 GMT -5
The Opening: Well, that's one way to wipe out your entire supporting cast for the year. Good grief. Looks like more destruction by the witchpires is on the way if the last scene is true. I couldn't believe Alaric was left alone holding Jo. I was yelling at Damon to offer her blood because Elena can't use it with the cure in her system, but he didn't listen and it looked too late anyway. The entire sequence of Alaric, from holding Jo to facing Kai, was heartbreaking. Kudos to Matt Davis for a powerful performance. It bothered me at first that Tyler killed Liv, but then when he saved Alaric - so glad Liv made the offer and Tyler was brave enough to face being a werewolf again. It gave Michael Trevino a chance to flex his acting muscles too, something rare these days. Good luck Michael! The Goodbyes: Very nostalgic, loved the throwback moments. My favorite was the scene with Stefan and Elena. They both looked younger, and I like that Elena acknowledged how much Stefan's love meant to her, how he knew her better than anyone. Stefan had a sweet look on his face. My second favorite was with Matt, on Wickery Bridge, both when he refused to say goodbye and when he appeared as a deputy (or sheriff??). I also teared up when Elena told Bonnie and Caroline they would all get the lives they wanted, just at different times. The Rest: Damon chopping off Kai's head was perfect, as was the scene where he returned to Bonnie. I love those two together, although I'm liking the scenes with Matt & Bonnie too. I hope they continue to work together. Don't care about the witchpires at all yet. I'm more curious what will happen with Lily/Enzo. So as a wrap up I can really say for myself that season 6 made up for that messed up season 5... I am also very ...let's say curious abot Enzo, what the hell is this guy doing, teaming up with Lily, cos she gives him a purpose...I don't understand this guy, don't need to either...he is a bubonic plague, speaking of ...wow...how cool was the cliffhanger, looked a bit like post apocalyptic Mystic Falls. Now after some hours have passed - as I have already mentioned the backdoor last week - I have very coincidently found a German article hinting that Dobrev is already regretting her decision, as the roles offered to her are very rare ...so how clever that they put Elena in a 60 year sleep, that way after Matt the last human being has died and also Bonnie, Elena can be revived again...I am quoting my dream villain Klaus..."always have a backup plan ...backup alternative death, backup revival" On a sidenote: When I find that article again I will post it...don't want to come across as a vile obnoxious gossip girl found this English article today instead ... www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2015/nina-dobrev-trouble-launching-movie-career-regrets-quitting-the-vampire-diaries/www.ibtimes.co.uk/nina-dobrev-regrets-quitting-vampire-diaries-actress-shares-positive-vibes-message-after-ian-1499431
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