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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 11:56:45 GMT -5
Great post, Evers17. You have come to the right place. Those are the key questions we all want the answers to. I'll be joining you in the re-watch after the finale. I am looking forward to the season finale and to next season and get some closure or not ...depends where you individually stand, right ... I really liked this season 6, but then I don't get that worked up about the show and it's logic, just lay back and enjoy it Will definitely rewatch all seasons again some day... right now I am having alot of fun rewatching PLL se 1-4 and preparing for their season 6. Makes no sense at all that show, but I love it too. and it is scarier than TVD and TO. Cheers!!!
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Post by bonbon on May 9, 2015 12:06:26 GMT -5
Just to clarify because I'm not sure I fully understood. When Matt and Bonnie went to the cell Kai and Lily were invisible right? Kai was making them choke but then what? Lily bit her? Kai stabbed her or did some witch voodoo thing? Did they need her blood or was it a vengeance thing?
So I was right, Alaric n Jo's wedding was overshadowed by Delena smh. Even Alaric n Jo can't have their special moment like marrying the love of their lives without Delena sneaking looks during their heart felt speech.
Honestly the best part of the episode was when Bonnie couldn't figure out the steamer and Caroline came to the rescue
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Post by Kiki on May 10, 2015 1:52:29 GMT -5
Just to clarify because I'm not sure I fully understood. When Matt and Bonnie went to the cell Kai and Lily were invisible right? Kai was making them choke but then what? Lily bit her? Kai stabbed her or did some witch voodoo thing? Did they need her blood or was it a vengeance thing? So I was right, Alaric n Jo's wedding was overshadowed by Delena smh. Even Alaric n Jo can't have their special moment like marrying the love of their lives without Delena sneaking looks during their heart felt speech. Honestly the best part of the episode was when Bonnie couldn't figure out the steamer and Caroline came to the rescue I could be wrong but I thought Lily did the witch voodoo thing to get Bonnie's blood and with the blood she got her "family" back and with them came Kai? I am looking forward to the finale and season 7 because we'll finally get rid of Delena and the way is open for more Stefan again
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Post by jennifer on May 10, 2015 11:32:08 GMT -5
Just to clarify because I'm not sure I fully understood. When Matt and Bonnie went to the cell Kai and Lily were invisible right? Kai was making them choke but then what? Lily bit her? Kai stabbed her or did some witch voodoo thing? Did they need her blood or was it a vengeance thing? So I was right, Alaric n Jo's wedding was overshadowed by Delena smh. Even Alaric n Jo can't have their special moment like marrying the love of their lives without Delena sneaking looks during their heart felt speech. Honestly the best part of the episode was when Bonnie couldn't figure out the steamer and Caroline came to the rescue I could be wrong but I thought Lily did the witch voodoo thing to get Bonnie's blood and with the blood she got her "family" back and with them came Kai? I am looking forward to the finale and season 7 because we'll finally get rid of Delena and the way is open for more Stefan again Thank you for explaining the blood. I couldn't figure out how Kai & Co. escaped and didn't want to watch again. It will be ironic if Elena is revived to live a human life and Jo, who did so much for the world by denying her supernatural birthright, dies along with her babies. I'd rather Elena die.
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Post by bonbon on May 10, 2015 15:15:47 GMT -5
Just to clarify because I'm not sure I fully understood. When Matt and Bonnie went to the cell Kai and Lily were invisible right? Kai was making them choke but then what? Lily bit her? Kai stabbed her or did some witch voodoo thing? Did they need her blood or was it a vengeance thing? So I was right, Alaric n Jo's wedding was overshadowed by Delena smh. Even Alaric n Jo can't have their special moment like marrying the love of their lives without Delena sneaking looks during their heart felt speech. Honestly the best part of the episode was when Bonnie couldn't figure out the steamer and Caroline came to the rescue I could be wrong but I thought Lily did the witch voodoo thing to get Bonnie's blood and with the blood she got her "family" back and with them came Kai? I am looking forward to the finale and season 7 because we'll finally get rid of Delena and the way is open for more Stefan again Ok now im confused lol. Lily's a heretic? I thought she "met" the ex Gemini members. She can do magic? Then why didn't she do that in the first place?
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Post by Kiki on May 10, 2015 15:31:50 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I thought Lily did the witch voodoo thing to get Bonnie's blood and with the blood she got her "family" back and with them came Kai? I am looking forward to the finale and season 7 because we'll finally get rid of Delena and the way is open for more Stefan again Ok now im confused lol. Lily's a heretic? I thought she "met" the ex Gemini members. She can do magic? Then why didn't she do that in the first place? Because she needed bonnies blood maybe?
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Post by jennifer on May 11, 2015 9:40:17 GMT -5
Ok now im confused lol. Lily's a heretic? I thought she "met" the ex Gemini members. She can do magic? Then why didn't she do that in the first place? Because she needed bonnies blood maybe? I decided to re-watch those scenes. I think Kai got out of the prison world on his own. As the coven leader he figured out a way, or one of the witch vampires is a Bennett - something to be revealed. He arrived when Jo had the fainting spell, a twin sense. Kai released Lily from her prison and gave her the address to find her family later that night. I'm basing that on Lily telling Enzo "my companions weren't the ones who gave me the address." Whether Kai actually brought her family is uncertain. Matt and Bonnie getting choked and Lily finding Enzo at the Grille were meant to be simultaneous, I think. Kai was the one choking them in the hallway after helping Lily. Bonnie knew it was Kai because she tries to warn Matt later that night, "It was......" I don't know where the blood is coming from; there was no mark on Bonnie's neck like Lily bit her so Kai did something after choking her? bonbon, Lily hasn't been shown to be a powerful witch. She raised the coffin lids off her family on the ship and magically unscrewed the ascendant so far. Either that, or she's purposely not using her powers so the gang won't notify Gemini and have her imprisoned in another world. Those are my two guesses. Total aside: Bonnie is having prophetic dreams again!
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Post by demetra on May 11, 2015 13:30:09 GMT -5
jennifer, that was a great analysis. I thought that when Jo's head sort of bounced off that piano that it was Kai. I wondered if Kai used the knife to stab Bonnie after she was choked?
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Post by jennifer on May 11, 2015 15:54:12 GMT -5
jennifer, that was a great analysis. I thought that when Jo's head sort of bounced off that piano that it was Kai. I wondered if Kai used the knife to stab Bonnie after she was choked? Thanks! At first I wondered why he didn't kill Bonnie outright. Now I'm thinking it's because of her blood. Kai probably took some so he'll never end up locked in a prison world again and to use if Gemini need it and Bonnie's unwilling. She's good to have as a back-up though. Does anyone think Bonnie will die? I tend to think no because it will overshadow Elena's last ep. (and Tyler's).
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Post by crimmyj on May 11, 2015 16:35:01 GMT -5
jennifer, that was a great analysis. I thought that when Jo's head sort of bounced off that piano that it was Kai. I wondered if Kai used the knife to stab Bonnie after she was choked? Thanks! At first I wondered why he didn't kill Bonnie outright. Now I'm thinking it's because of her blood. Kai probably took some so he'll never end up locked in a prison world again and to use if Gemini need it and Bonnie's unwilling. She's good to have as a back-up though. Does anyone think Bonnie will die? I tend to think no because it will overshadow Elena's last ep. (and Tyler's). Kat renewed her contract and they are down one female lead so...Nope. I think I read that Matt Davis is in a pilot that got picked up, so Alaric will probably be out of there. How nice of them to bring him back for one season and have him be purposeless and missing for most of it. And was that a camera shot at the gilbert ring on Matt's hand to show him "waking up" after seemingly being choked to death? Because if so, what the hell writers? And is Sarah Salvatore going to show up again? Looking back her role this season seems spectacularly pointless. Also I am disappointed Jeremy didn't show up for Alaric's wedding being they consider each other family. And I am still scratching my head and Elena being Jo's maid of honor...oh that's right so the writers could have both Damon and Elena up there to not so subtly usurp Jolaric's wedding. *shakes head* This show.
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Post by bonbon on May 11, 2015 17:15:08 GMT -5
Because she needed bonnies blood maybe? I decided to re-watch those scenes. I think Kai got out of the prison world on his own. As the coven leader he figured out a way, or one of the witch vampires is a Bennett - something to be revealed. He arrived when Jo had the fainting spell, a twin sense. Kai released Lily from her prison and gave her the address to find her family later that night. I'm basing that on Lily telling Enzo "my companions weren't the ones who gave me the address." Whether Kai actually brought her family is uncertain. Matt and Bonnie getting choked and Lily finding Enzo at the Grille were meant to be simultaneous, I think. Kai was the one choking them in the hallway after helping Lily. Bonnie knew it was Kai because she tries to warn Matt later that night, "It was......" I don't know where the blood is coming from; there was no mark on Bonnie's neck like Lily bit her so Kai did something after choking her? bonbon, Lily hasn't been shown to be a powerful witch. She raised the coffin lids off her family on the ship and magically unscrewed the ascendant so far. Either that, or she's purposely not using her powers so the gang won't notify Gemini and have her imprisoned in another world. Those are my two guesses. Total aside: Bonnie is having prophetic dreams again! I should have explained my thoughts better. I figured Kai got out on his own and went straight for Lily and assumed Lily was still there and Kai made them both invisible. All in all, that whole scene confused me and I wasn't sure what really happened. Love your explanation, didn't even think about what made Jo dizzy or that he was actually there. Now I want to rewatch and see how many scenes Kai was really in. I didn't think Lily was a heretic, I was just reacting on what kiki was saying, which was why I got confused.
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Post by bonbon on May 11, 2015 17:19:52 GMT -5
jennifer, that was a great analysis. I thought that when Jo's head sort of bounced off that piano that it was Kai. I wondered if Kai used the knife to stab Bonnie after she was choked? Maybe he stabbed her in the back to get even for how she left him in the prison world, although looking at the promo pic of them all in the living room, she looks fine...
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Post by jennifer on May 11, 2015 22:16:49 GMT -5
I decided to re-watch those scenes. I think Kai got out of the prison world on his own. As the coven leader he figured out a way, or one of the witch vampires is a Bennett - something to be revealed. He arrived when Jo had the fainting spell, a twin sense. Kai released Lily from her prison and gave her the address to find her family later that night. I'm basing that on Lily telling Enzo "my companions weren't the ones who gave me the address." Whether Kai actually brought her family is uncertain. Matt and Bonnie getting choked and Lily finding Enzo at the Grille were meant to be simultaneous, I think. Kai was the one choking them in the hallway after helping Lily. Bonnie knew it was Kai because she tries to warn Matt later that night, "It was......" I don't know where the blood is coming from; there was no mark on Bonnie's neck like Lily bit her so Kai did something after choking her? bonbon, Lily hasn't been shown to be a powerful witch. She raised the coffin lids off her family on the ship and magically unscrewed the ascendant so far. Either that, or she's purposely not using her powers so the gang won't notify Gemini and have her imprisoned in another world. Those are my two guesses. Total aside: Bonnie is having prophetic dreams again! I should have explained my thoughts better. I figured Kai got out on his own and went straight for Lily and assumed Lily was still there and Kai made them both invisible. All in all, that whole scene confused me and I wasn't sure what really happened. Love your explanation, didn't even think about what made Jo dizzy or that he was actually there. Now I want to rewatch and see how many scenes Kai was really in. I didn't think Lily was a heretic, I was just reacting on what kiki was saying, which was why I got confused. I do think Lily's a heretic! Are you saying she's not one? Maybe I'm confused now lol. My answer about Lily not being a powerful witch was meant to address your question about why Lily didn't use magic in the first place.
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Post by bonbon on May 11, 2015 23:02:21 GMT -5
I should have explained my thoughts better. I figured Kai got out on his own and went straight for Lily and assumed Lily was still there and Kai made them both invisible. All in all, that whole scene confused me and I wasn't sure what really happened. Love your explanation, didn't even think about what made Jo dizzy or that he was actually there. Now I want to rewatch and see how many scenes Kai was really in. I didn't think Lily was a heretic, I was just reacting on what kiki was saying, which was why I got confused. I do think Lily's a heretic! Are you saying she's not one? Maybe I'm confused now lol. My answer about Lily not being a powerful witch was meant to address your question about why Lily didn't use magic in the first place. Haha honestly she just might BE a heretic, I'm just going off of what we've seen so far, and that's that she's a vampire. But now that you've mentioned it, I wouldn't be surprised. Now I understand kiki's posts better.
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Post by crimmyj on May 11, 2015 23:24:19 GMT -5
I don't believe she is a heretic, I just think she is the one who turned them (the yet to be seen 6 heretics) into witchpires. It appears that Lily is not (nor has she ever been referenced in the show as being in the Gemini coven, one would think the coven would know if she were one of them since they knew why she was imprisoned). The six heretics ran into ripper Lily in Europe, were she turned them, and then were put into the prison world upon their return to Manhattan with their new found immortal power. I haven't found any other TVD websites that reference Lily as being a heretic also.
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