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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 22:48:11 GMT -5
Sorry guys... but just awful. So no one communicates with each other what is going with who and we are supposed to believe they are all good friends? Remember when they all had each other back? But Bonnie is MIA, Matt and Tyler are instantly in police academy, Delena are screwing...and Caroline and Stefan are leaving a body count and they (the gang) are in NO RUSH to stop it, or even tell each other what is going on. Just garbage. Sorry. I agree with you. This was not a good episode. In fact, it was the least interesting, most time-consuming, frivolous waste of an hour I've had to endure this season. I hoped with Nina leaving things might improve, but that clearly isn't the case here. If this is what they have for us going into the home stretch, then I've lost what little faith I had in the show. I dare say I hope the next episode is better, but I guess that's asking too much at this point. If it is, great. If not, I don't really care. I'm watching out of sheer loyalty right now. If this was any other show it would've been dropped a long time ago.
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Post by demetra on Apr 18, 2015 10:02:19 GMT -5
Non-sequitor. In response to Lily's not feeling love for Damon and Stefan in her first 24 hours of freedom since 1903 -- come on. I mean, she figured out where to get clothes (wear pants), how to do her hair and makeup, work the stove, and operate the internet in the first 24 hours, it occurs to me that Damon and Stefan, the two cutest vampires on the planet, will win her over in the next 24. I mean, it only took me one hour to fall for Stefan.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 18, 2015 10:52:36 GMT -5
Non-sequitor. In response to Lily's not feeling love for Damon and Stefan in her first 24 hours of freedom since 1903 -- come on. I mean, she figured out where to get clothes (wear pants), how to do her hair and makeup, work the stove, and operate the internet in the first 24 hours, it occurs to me that Damon and Stefan, the two cutest vampires on the planet, will win her over in the next 24. I mean, it only took me one hour to fall for Stefan. No kidding! This one was beyond me. Does a Mom who loved her children really lose all those feelings because of time and circumstances? No, they get buried. That was just the first pitch. Lily's going to find herself grappling with those buried feelings and her two families at some point. She hated Guiseppe but she appeared to Stefan as an 'Angel'; she returned for her boys. She loved them and wanted to protect them from her Ripper ways. As Lily was talking to Stefan I wondered if any of those feelings she acted out felt real to her. That's what I want to believe anyway. It bugged me that the one scene with real emotional resonance in the episode was faked. It was still good though, for Stefan's sake anyway.
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Post by demetra on Apr 18, 2015 11:14:57 GMT -5
jennifer, exactly! Maybe Mama and Stefan ended up each bringing their humanity back during that sequence. Lily was demonstrating a lot of heartbreak when she was confessing the state of her feelings to Damon. This could be quite juicy going forward. She will have to choose between her allegiance to the Heretics and to Stefan and Damon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 3:54:26 GMT -5
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Post by crimmyj on Apr 20, 2015 23:51:11 GMT -5
Another thing about this episode I absolutely detest....how much they completely sh*t on the memory of Forwood in this episode. Say what you want about how the writers treat Stelena but what they did to Forwood (and Maroline to an extent) was just ridiculous and horrible. A box of middle fingers to the writers from me for that.
There is so much wrong with this episode that I am still pissed.
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Post by crimmyj on Apr 20, 2015 23:55:17 GMT -5
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Post by jennifer on Apr 22, 2015 9:48:39 GMT -5
Elena contemplating her human life, what might be different if she were human again, is what I expected Elena to think about at the beginning of S5, once she had her humanity back on. My thinking at the end of S4, when she chose Damon, was essentially good riddance b/c her comments to Stefan about how he was even worse as a vampire than she was really irked me. I wanted her to go off and see what it was like to be with Damon, realize she'd made a mistake and slowly Elena and Stefan would re-build their relationship into something new. Unfortunately, Elena became a party girl who LOVED vampirism all of a sudden, which was my first red flag that S5 might not go so well.
Elena's realizations are coming too late for Stelena it seems, but I'm still glad that Elena, for herself, is finally considering what eternity really means, that she could be the one to turn off her humanity and act like Caroline and all the other moments that are making her wonder if vampirism is so great (which she never would've thought in the first place if there was consistency!).
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Post by demetra on Apr 22, 2015 11:14:15 GMT -5
Elena's conversation with Matt should be a major pivotal moment for her. Matt has always stood by her not only through her relationship with a vampire but then through her own vampirism. He stood on the bridge with her and told her she was still a good friend to him even tho they both said goodbye to the human Elena. It was Matt's death that brought her back to her humanity. The Delena scenes kind of over-shadowed the importance of that moment with Matt IMHO.
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Post by napoli on Apr 22, 2015 12:33:42 GMT -5
Elena contemplating her human life, what might be different if she were human again, is what I expected Elena to think about at the beginning of S5, once she had her humanity back on. My thinking at the end of S4, when she chose Damon, was essentially good riddance b/c her comments to Stefan about how he was even worse as a vampire than she was really irked me. I wanted her to go off and see what it was like to be with Damon, realize she'd made a mistake and slowly Elena and Stefan would re-build their relationship into something new. Unfortunately, Elena became a party girl who LOVED vampirism all of a sudden, which was my first red flag that S5 might not go so well. Elena's realizations are coming too late for Stelena it seems, but I'm still glad that Elena, for herself, is finally considering what eternity really means, that she could be the one to turn off her humanity and act like Caroline and all the other moments that are making her wonder if vampirism is so great (which she never would've thought in the first place if there was consistency!). It sort of makes you shake your head because in choosing Damon she already knew she was making a mistake but just didn't care. Elena told Damon ...will prove to be the worst choice...or something along those lines. I just can't stomach to watch the scene again but it's in 4x23 in case anyone wants to have the exact conversation. There's been no real development for Elena so no realisation of what is good versus evil. Didn't JP and CD say over the summer this season was going to be about that? It seems they've completely abandoned any sense of morality especially when they have the moral compass of the show, Bonnie, give the cure to Damon when she should have given it to her friend that she knows never wanted to be a vampire. I'm not picking on Bonnie but rather disappointed that the writers even have reduced Bonnie to being a Damon's little pawn.
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Post by demetra on Apr 22, 2015 14:07:53 GMT -5
napoli, the only thing I can think is that Bonnie wants to give Damon a chance to prove himself because she knew that he realized while in the prison world that he had totally blown it when Elena talked to him the first time about becoming a human. As in it was one of his major regrets. Perhaps it also signals in some sense for Bonnie that Damon's friendship has supplanted her friendship with Elena as being a primary motivator.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 23, 2015 10:46:27 GMT -5
napoli, the only thing I can think is that Bonnie wants to give Damon a chance to prove himself because she knew that he realized while in the prison world that he had totally blown it when Elena talked to him the first time about becoming a human. As in it was one of his major regrets. Perhaps it also signals in some sense for Bonnie that Damon's friendship has supplanted her friendship with Elena as being a primary motivator. Good idea demetra. Bonnie did make it sound like they'd had a conversation about the cure because we weren't made aware until this season that Damon felt like it was unfinished business. Or Bonnie surmised this once she saw the map and knew Damon planned to get the cure again. I've been wondering about this situation too. Damon already made the choice once in S4. Elena chose otherwise, to stay a vampire and be with him. The stakes are higher now because Damon is more attached. Lily's words are ringing in my ears: "We are more alike than you care to admit Damon; neither of us can bear the thought of being alone." That's the crux of Damon's problems right there, why he wanted to be a vampire in the first place so he could be with Katherine forever, why he tracked down Stefan over the years, why he can't just hand over the cure this time around. There was the telling phone call with Elena when she mentions his abandonment issues from his Mom and Katherine, and he says Elena's the only one who hasn't left him. Basically, handing over the cure after discovering Lily is alive and didn't try to find he and Stefan is a Big Deal for Damon, going against all his instincts for self-preservation.
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