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Post by demetra on Feb 26, 2015 18:19:14 GMT -5
Sure. I've never had any point of comparison before as to what 1.41 million people means. In the US, that might not sound like so many people. In Canada, one of our most popular programs is now Murdoch Mysteries -- this week, it reached 1.28 million viewers. It took eight years of building to get to that many people in Canada: first, the show was on CITY TV (largely Toronto market) for its first six years. It received virtually no promotion. The audience base was built by the incredible rate of re-broadcast all through the six seasons, probably driven by the CRTC requirements for Canadian content. That's how I first started watching it several years ago. In Canada, on free TV, largely the weekends are given over to sports: figure skating, hockey, international winter sports competitions, and golf. There is literally nothing else on free TV. For six years, the only alternative to sports was re-broadcasts of Murdoch Mysteries. Some times they would rerun three episodes in a row. Then after season 6 it was cancelled. Interestingly, the Conservative Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, said publicly that he and his daughter were avid viewers of Murdoch Mysteries. "Coincidentally" -- and thank goodness -- CBC the Canadian public broadcaster picked the show up for its 7th and now 8th season. They have been giving it national promotion. In the past two years, the five primary actors -- who have been on the show all along -- have become nationally known as TV stars. That's how long it took to get to 1.28 million viewers. So I still consider 1.41 million people a significant audience! I like that story; it's interesting to hear about situations where there's more governance over free TV. TVD would rule in Canada! It's true though, 1.41 sounds skimpy compared to the 18 mil. of Big Bang. Even Big Bang reruns beat new episodes of other shows. The down side is I watched a good show a few years ago that didn't get renewed after its first season. The crime? Only 8 mil. average viewership. Thank goodness for CW. Fox network is a little more open to giving shows a chance too, esp. if the show has a small but passionate viewership. The big three though - off with your head! Now they give pilot shows only a limited time to air, sometimes 4-5 episodes before cutting them. Time, placement before or after hit shows, competition...there are so many reasons why a good show can't build up viewership in 5 weeks. Due to all the Canadian actors in the original season, beginning with Nina Dobrev, TVD could rule in Canada. I always wished City TV would have picked it up, at least then I could watch it on Thursday at 8 like everyone else. (Now I have to wait until it is available on ctv.ca) One of the other highest rated Canadian TV shows is Saving Hope, starring Daniel Gillies -- altho I think he just exited the show -- and the actor who played Mr. Tanner in Season One. On CTV, there is also the show Remedy, which stars Aunt Jenna and the actor who played the pizza-delivering vampire who Elena ran into and who tried to kill her at the decade dance in Season One.
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Post by deb on Mar 2, 2015 15:33:24 GMT -5
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Post by stelena4ever on Mar 2, 2015 19:02:39 GMT -5
I read this and I am not shocked. If they would just go back to the beginning before it is too late, reunite Stefan and Elena then maybe the ratings will start to go back up. This show did so well in the beginning because viewers fell in love with Stelena and Damon as the villain. Now some of you may think it is too late for Stelena but I don't.
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Post by napoli on Mar 2, 2015 19:31:00 GMT -5
I read this and I am not shocked. If they would just go back to the beginning before it is too late, reunite Stefan and Elena then maybe the ratings will start to go back up. This show did so well in the beginning because viewers fell in love with Stelena and Damon as the villain. Now some of you may think it is too late for Stelena but I don't. I don't think it's too late for SE either but I do think it's too late for TVD. Even if SE were together I don't think the story lines would be any better.
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Post by katvolley13 on Mar 3, 2015 20:58:02 GMT -5
I read these I think they will let tvd finish season 7 but then it is done
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Post by jennifer on Mar 4, 2015 14:13:48 GMT -5
I read these I think they will let tvd finish season 7 but then it is done Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using pro boards I wonder if they'll get the full 22 eps. or a shorter season to finish off.
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Post by katvolley13 on Mar 4, 2015 20:21:49 GMT -5
I hope they do a full season I mean they were pretty good about beauty and the beast
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 6:59:57 GMT -5
I read this and I am not shocked. If they would just go back to the beginning before it is too late, reunite Stefan and Elena then maybe the ratings will start to go back up. This show did so well in the beginning because viewers fell in love with Stelena and Damon as the villain. Now some of you may think it is too late for Stelena but I don't. I don't think it's too late for SE either but I do think it's too late for TVD. Even if SE were together I don't think the story lines would be any better. The SE storylines WOULD be better. If only by the chemistry factor alone. I think the show has proven over the years that they know how to write for SE. They had some of the best storylines, and they were the heart and soul of the show for a long time. So when they broke up (officially season four), the show lost a bit of it's magic (no pun intended), and they have yet to regain it. If SE were back together -- in a believable way -- some of that would return, and so would a lot of the fans that left after the whole DE disaster and convoluted mess that was season five.
Maybe the overall storylines won't return to season's 1-3 quality, but the show would be a lot better just by SE's mere presence. Hey, it can't hurt at this point. Have you seen the latest ratings? Yikes!
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Post by Kiki on Mar 8, 2015 7:53:18 GMT -5
I read this and I am not shocked. If they would just go back to the beginning before it is too late, reunite Stefan and Elena then maybe the ratings will start to go back up. This show did so well in the beginning because viewers fell in love with Stelena and Damon as the villain. Now some of you may think it is too late for Stelena but I don't. I followed the tweets from the convention in Atlanta yesterday and Paul said that too much has happened between Stefan and Elena for them to get back together. And he also said that he just filmed a sexscene with Stefan but wouldn't tell with whom. Given that they are filming ep 18 already I have even more doubts about Stelena
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Post by demetra on Mar 8, 2015 10:28:05 GMT -5
I read this and I am not shocked. If they would just go back to the beginning before it is too late, reunite Stefan and Elena then maybe the ratings will start to go back up. This show did so well in the beginning because viewers fell in love with Stelena and Damon as the villain. Now some of you may think it is too late for Stelena but I don't. I followed the tweets from the convention in Atlanta yesterday and Paul said that too much has happened between Stefan and Elena for them to get back together. And he also said that he just filmed a sexscene with Stefan but wouldn't tell with whom. Given that they are filming ep 18 already I have even more doubts about Stelena :( I saw those Tweets, too. Let's start with the good news: Stefan is going to get some! YAY! His love life is pretty much as tragic as Ric's so I hope I can be generous enough to hope (that is two hopes) he'll find some genuine companionship. That being said, why does PW keep skewering our Stelena dreams? Sigh. What so much has happened between Stefan and Elena that they couldn't fall in love again? The actor seems to have come to a conclusion LOL-- again -- that does not take into account that visually Stefan and Elena were made for each other. There is a different je ne sais quoi at work here involving cinematic language. It has already happened, in fact, the whole pretext of the show was that it should happen. It did -- and it could happen again. It is something bigger than the actors. It is Literature. It is Cinema. As God is our witness, Stefan and Elena shall find each other again!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 12:59:29 GMT -5
I read these I think they will let tvd finish season 7 but then it is done Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using pro boards I wonder if they'll get the full 22 eps. or a shorter season to finish off. Why wouldn't they get a full season 7? Unless the ratings become dreadfully worse, I don't see how that couldn't happen. Lesser renowned shows with far worse ratings have gotten full seasons, some of them even season renewals, so why wouldn't TVD. It's the CW's darling, so they'll give it every opportunity to stay on the air.
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Post by shoe20 on Mar 8, 2015 13:21:18 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll get the full 22 eps. or a shorter season to finish off. Why wouldn't they get a full season 7? Unless the ratings become dreadfully worse, I don't see how that couldn't happen. Lesser renowned shows with far worse ratings have gotten full seasons, some of them even season renewals, so why wouldn't TVD. It's the CW's darling, so they'll give it every opportunity to stay on the air. The fact is "D" I see a way for the rating too get worse, (no I'm not rooting for it, lol) The writing needs to pick up, yes. But the trajectory their on now, is simple not pleasing many fans.... They've buried SE....Their forcing SC.... and the DE story is just not what those fans are looking for..... the majority of them don't want Damon redeemed, they fell for the sharky eye rolling bad boy. The showrunners can't break up DE, because the numbers will drop like an anchor. They canned Liz and Jeremy... have no "Big Bad".... Honestly, I don't know what the answer is to spark interest..... One thing that would definitely help would be to bring back Katherine.... Hey, a guy can hope.
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Post by jennifer on Mar 8, 2015 14:28:28 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll get the full 22 eps. or a shorter season to finish off. Why wouldn't they get a full season 7? Unless the ratings become dreadfully worse, I don't see how that couldn't happen. Lesser renowned shows with far worse ratings have gotten full seasons, some of them even season renewals, so why wouldn't TVD. It's the CW's darling, so they'll give it every opportunity to stay on the air. I was thinking of ratings but also the three main actors. Either one of the two who signed could've signed for a shorter season or to be in fewer episodes, and the holdout might be more willing to sign for fewer eps., particularly if other projects are an issue. I imagine they will do 22 episodes, despite the ratings, as long as the the main three sign up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 15:29:53 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they get a full season 7? Unless the ratings become dreadfully worse, I don't see how that couldn't happen. Lesser renowned shows with far worse ratings have gotten full seasons, some of them even season renewals, so why wouldn't TVD. It's the CW's darling, so they'll give it every opportunity to stay on the air. The fact is "D" I see a way for the rating too get worse, (no I'm not rooting for it, lol) The writing needs to pick up, yes. But the trajectory their on now, is simple not pleasing many fans.... They've buried SE....Their forcing SC.... and the DE story is just not what those fans are looking for..... the majority of them don't want Damon redeemed, they fell for the sharky eye rolling bad boy. The showrunners can't break up DE, because the numbers will drop like an anchor. They canned Liz and Jeremy... have no "Big Bad".... Honestly, I don't know what the answer is to spark interest..... One thing that would definitely help would be to bring back Katherine.... Hey, a guy can hope. I would love for them to bring Katherine back too. I agree with you there. Cause not only would it be great for ratings, but I'll get to see Nina flex her acting muscles a bit more, cause her version of Elena over the last season and a half hasn't really lived up to her talent. In other words, she hasn't "brought it" to the character for a while. With Katherine there, maybe I'll get to see her A-game. So far this season has been good. Even with DE being together. So the ratings drop to me is really unexplainable. Last season wasn't quite as good, yet somehow it had better ratings. Doesn't make any sense to me. Then again, it did have Katherine, which I guess made up for a lot its shortcomings, so maybe her not being here is part of the reason. I mean... what other explanation is there? The ratings last year didn't truly drop until she was "killed", so take that however you want. Maybe if things get bad enough, they'll bring her back in a desperation move. Of course fans would see through it, but I don't think they'll care. As long as she was on the show, that is all that would matter to them. Hmm... maybe it wasn't so smart killing her off after all, ah Julie? Would DE really riot and burn the place down if they broke them up? Are they that invested in them and only them? Hmm... I seriously don't know the answer to that, but I'm sure Julie wants no part of that knowledge. She'll happily trudge along with their stale relationship if it meant not finding out that pertinent truth. And, it would also keep screaming Delena fans off her back. You know how they are. I'm sure she has the battle scars from their various belligerent and obnoxious ways. (Obviously not all of them.) Honestly, I have no idea what would spark the show? Katherine maybe, but if not that, what else? Kai has been a great villain, yet the ratings have slipped. The season for the most part has been good, yet the ratings have slipped. So what else is there? SE? Would they dare? I doubt that they would, cause one, they have no guts (time has proven that), and two, they're determined to cram Steroline down everyone's throat. That's Julie's baby, and she'll feed it until it gets big and fat. And then give it to us in all of its chubbilicious glory, whether we like it or not. I, for one, don't have a major issue with Steroline, but a lot of fans do, and they have certainly voiced their opinion about it. So far it has fallen on deaf ears. Full steam ahead folks. Here comes Steroline. I don't know what to tell you shoe. Maybe the show just ran its course. Or maybe it was Kevin Williamson leaving? Or maybe it was a combination of a lot of things? But when I see shows on the same network going on ten seasons with better ratings, it really bothers me. Cause TVD could have been one of those shows. Then again, maybe it was doomed from the start. Maybe the vampire genre can only last so long, and we're witnessing its last days. Perhaps reality is catching up to it. Whatever the case, all a fan can hope for is that it ties up its many loose ends and goes out with a bang, rewarding them for years of faithful service. I hope that is the case here, but I seriously have my doubts. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Post by Kiki on Mar 8, 2015 16:27:21 GMT -5
the vampires do not age thing doomed the show from the beginning. Ian, Nina and Paul can only play teenagers for so long because the do age. But that's not the only reason for the bad ratings. They always try to make fans angry. I don't know what kind of strategie this is but it doesn't work at all. Of course you cannot live on fanservice but... well... half of the fandom loved Stelena and they broke them up without giving the tiniest bit of hope for their fans... so many loved Klaroline and they broke them up with even less hope for their fans... everyone loved Katherine and they killed her off... everyone loved Lexi and they had a million opportunities to bring her back but they didn't... everyone loved Stefan and Caroline as friends but now they force a lovestory on us... Bamon gets no chance... and all to support the only fanservice they did DELENA... It's one thing to tease fans but if you do it too much you piss them off and that's what's happening. And fans who quit watching will not come back. They are lost and the more ships you crash the less fans stay. That's it.. simple as that
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