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Post by crimmyj on Jan 30, 2015 20:19:18 GMT -5
In regards to Damon...I'm sorry but the whole 'it's ok if he treats people like crap, because the ends justify the means' is just not a good lesson. *sigh* With respect, I think that statement reflects Caroline's actions far more than Damon's. He was just picking up the pieces. Calling people morons is beyond picking up the pieces. Guilting and shaming someone who is already well aware they screwed up and are feeling tremendously guilty for it, isn't just picking up the pieces. You can fix mistakes without being rude to people in doing so. It is very bullying and unnecessary (in particular for how Damon treated Tyler which is par for the course to how he treats Tyler, Matt, and Jer overall). It isn't charming to tell people they are stupid, idiots, or morons, I don't care how good looking someone is. Damon has plenty of wit and snark without the writers having to throw in the insults that most of the time are superfluous to the scene. One can be the handsome reformed "anti-hero" with edge without treating people like crap.
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Post by katvolley13 on Jan 30, 2015 22:38:42 GMT -5
CW THE VAMPIRE DIARIES 0.7 2 1.45 It's a new series low. The series is dying when are they going to get it Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
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Post by Ruby on Jan 31, 2015 10:49:52 GMT -5
In regards to Damon...I'm sorry but the whole 'it's ok if he treats people like crap, because the ends justify the means' is just not a good lesson. *sigh* With respect, I think that statement reflects Caroline's actions far more than Damon's. He was just picking up the pieces. I think it was very damon like to be like well you screwed up. In that scene I even got caught off guard though and my mouth dropped. And its not like Caroline got offended. She took it and said its ok I know everyone is thinking it. She wanted to save her mom and I think its something any of them woildve tried. I think they shouldve atleast observed the guy first before jumping the gun but yea. Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards
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Post by wondersnevercease on Jan 31, 2015 14:27:56 GMT -5
This episode was just okay for me. I think it highlighted what a good job Paul Wesley did directing his episode. What felt like forward-momentum under his direction has now gone back to formula and frenetic scenes. I liked the Car and Liz scenes. Kai is still intriguing, particularly if the crazy merge with Luke gives him some sensations and feelings he's not had in the past. Chris W. is a good actor and fun to watch. Damon's plan worked (thank you, Demetra) even though it wasn't perfect. What is perfect in MF? I also did not like Damon calling Caroline out on her actions. It was insensitive and harsh. She was in enough pain and dealing with a huge amount of guilt all by her little self. However, folks, welcome to Damon's world. This is the exact response he gets from every single character whenever there is any kind of fallout even when Damon had good reasons for what he did or good intentions that went awry. He is given the onus of action and saving the day, then he is blamed by at least one or two people throughout each episode in a very similar fashion. Blamed if he do, blamed if he don't. He is also the lovely recipient of name-calling. I thought it was funny Damon calling Tyler a moron....a beautiful one at that. Big deal - some minor cheekiness. I also think Elena was giving Stefan the "Stefan Treatment", laying a guilt trip on him when she was nowhere to be found whilst he was attempting to support Car. Disapproving of his actions. Judging him. Sounds very Stefenesque to me. But he got her back good! Citing her weakness during the most painful experience of her short angst-ridden life. Nice move! Very heavy handed and off-topic to boot. So, the Kai story holds some interest. Jer is history soon. Bonnie will rise again it seems with a bit of piss and vigor. Some solid D/E for a change without the c-blocking, unless you count raking light through windows. Is it the general consensus Stef is going darker again? What is that based on? That could be interesting - at least he would have a storyline not involving Caroline. So, the earth is on its axis. All is tickety-boo in Mystic Falls until next week.
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Post by Anna on Feb 1, 2015 7:04:26 GMT -5
this scene was probably my favourite i really like the whole morning scene and the eggplant obsession the doctorly scene '"You're cute when you're being all doctorly" as well as the lifes too short ( shoe20 even if she's immortal it doesn't mean life isn't short...people can still die, vampires can still die) I don't have the energy to go into much more than that. So im gonna leave it there.
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Post by deb on Feb 1, 2015 7:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by aliensoul13 on Feb 1, 2015 8:35:17 GMT -5
this scene was probably my favourite i really like the whole morning scene and the eggplant obsession the doctorly scene '"You're cute when you're being all doctorly" as well as the lifes too short ( shoe20 even if she's immortal it doesn't mean life isn't short...people can still die, vampires can still die) I don't have the energy to go into much more than that. So im gonna leave it there. Even so, chances are she will live much, much longer than the average person. A better line would have been "Life is precious, and it's unpredictable. You never know when it's going to be taken away from you." In any case, I'm glad you enjoyed the scene.
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Post by demetra on Feb 1, 2015 12:31:13 GMT -5
Well, it is interesting that Elena did say that, though. She is still relatively new as a vampire.
When Damon is not in Elena's life, there isn't anyone preventing her from taking up Stefan's long-view strategies about integrating with humans and living a human life. Stefan's approach is careful and contained. He knows that if he breaks his own rules, hundreds of humans could die. But perhaps living in Stefan's model never lets Elena forget her undead status.
When Damon is in her life, Elena is attracted towards his more risk-taking intuitive view on vampire life. Damon lives in the moment. If he or someone he loves is threatened -- or if he is pissed off -- he just kills and he accepts the risk that he could be killed. By living in the moment -- Damon's way -- Elena can forget both that she died and forget that technically she could live forever.
Very often I think back on that scene earlier on the season where Stefan finally got his pay cheque, walked in his house, put down the groceries he got for Ivy, and cracked open a beer. He tried to live a life bound by the same limitations as any human's. But was it working for him? No. He couldn't live that life without violence. In season one (I think) Stefan said Elena was the only person who made him feel he could forget his undead condition, with her, he said, he could forget that he was a vampire and just be himself. Without her--and, at that point in the beginning of Season Six, without Damon -- you had to wonder: what was he living for? Possibly the answer to that was Sarah Salvatore.
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Post by damonsgirl on Feb 1, 2015 16:35:59 GMT -5
With respect, I think that statement reflects Caroline's actions far more than Damon's. He was just picking up the pieces. Calling people morons is beyond picking up the pieces. Guilting and shaming someone who is already well aware they screwed up and are feeling tremendously guilty for it, isn't just picking up the pieces. You can fix mistakes without being rude to people in doing so. It is very bullying and unnecessary (in particular for how Damon treated Tyler which is par for the course to how he treats Tyler, Matt, and Jer overall). It isn't charming to tell people they are stupid, idiots, or morons, I don't care how good looking someone is. Damon has plenty of wit and snark without the writers having to throw in the insults that most of the time are superfluous to the scene. One can be the handsome reformed "anti-hero" with edge without treating people like crap. Nah! thats how this group rolls! The insults flying, merry torture and compulsion, all valid tools of getting the getting the job done. I don't think Tyler will hold a grudge, he knows the score having been a bit of a bully himself.
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Post by Ruby on Feb 1, 2015 18:44:42 GMT -5
Calling people morons is beyond picking up the pieces. Guilting and shaming someone who is already well aware they screwed up and are feeling tremendously guilty for it, isn't just picking up the pieces. You can fix mistakes without being rude to people in doing so. It is very bullying and unnecessary (in particular for how Damon treated Tyler which is par for the course to how he treats Tyler, Matt, and Jer overall). It isn't charming to tell people they are stupid, idiots, or morons, I don't care how good looking someone is. Damon has plenty of wit and snark without the writers having to throw in the insults that most of the time are superfluous to the scene. One can be the handsome reformed "anti-hero" with edge without treating people like crap. Nah! thats how this group rolls! The insults flying, merry torture and compulsion, all valid tools of getting the getting the job done. I don't think Tyler will hold a grudge, he knows the score having been a bit of a bully himself. Damon is always calling people names. . ? part of who he is and tyler was going to let kai on the loose anyway so damon originally was stopping him Sent from my SM-G900T using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 22:46:34 GMT -5
To be honest, I totally understand why damonsgirl would have an issue with the laughing-is-winning recaps. The author goes out of her way to criticize Damon, even when it's completely unnecessary. And she continues to use the rape angle when it comes to him too, which, after a while, is just cruel. It was relevant for a time, but now its just redundant and silly. She needs to move on from that cause it's really not making her look good. But since she has an agenda with him she won't. Kinda sad.
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Post by damonsgirl on Feb 2, 2015 13:44:49 GMT -5
To be honest, I totally understand why damonsgirl would have an issue with the laughing-is-winning recaps. The author goes out of her way to criticize Damon, even when it's completely unnecessary. And she continues to use the rape angle when it comes to him too, which, after a while, is just cruel. It was relevant for a time, but now its just redundant and silly. She needs to move on from that cause it's really not making her look good. But since she has an agenda with him she won't. Kinda sad. Agreed! That is my issue with that type of post. It is not for fun, or to raise an awareness of Issues that may or may, not be present within show depending on POV of course, it is written to bash a character she hates, and is using "Rape" to validate that hatred, and yes it is sad. This post is tagged anti Damon, anti delena, anti Elena, anti Dullena. It is a bashing post, and the intent is clear, hence the tags meant for shipping threads on tumblr. In other words, not for general consumption.
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Post by damonsgirl on Feb 2, 2015 13:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by deb on Feb 2, 2015 17:02:13 GMT -5
To be honest, I totally understand why damonsgirl would have an issue with the laughing-is-winning recaps. The author goes out of her way to criticize Damon, even when it's completely unnecessary. And she continues to use the rape angle when it comes to him too, which, after a while, is just cruel. It was relevant for a time, but now its just redundant and silly. She needs to move on from that cause it's really not making her look good. But since she has an agenda with him she won't. Kinda sad. Like I said many times before, I don't share these recaps to bash any character, I share it because I think it's really funny. IMO, the parts where she bashes Damon or Elena, aren't the even best about the recaps, the best parts are when she points out all the writers faillures and lack of logic. Anyways, even though I'm not breaking any rule, I'm ok with posting the recaps in the anti threads, If most of the members think it's the best for everyone... But also, since everyone knows the content of the recaps and everyone has to click in the link to read it, people can always chose not to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 18:10:16 GMT -5
To be honest, I totally understand why damonsgirl would have an issue with the laughing-is-winning recaps. The author goes out of her way to criticize Damon, even when it's completely unnecessary. And she continues to use the rape angle when it comes to him too, which, after a while, is just cruel. It was relevant for a time, but now its just redundant and silly. She needs to move on from that cause it's really not making her look good. But since she has an agenda with him she won't. Kinda sad. Like I said many times before, I don't share these recaps to bash any character, I share it because I think it's really funny. IMO, the parts where she bashes Damon or Elena, aren't the even best about the recaps, the best parts are when she points out all the writers faillures and lack of logic. Anyways, even though I'm not breaking any rule, I'm ok with posting the recaps in the anti threads, If most of the members think it's the best for everyone... But also, since everyone knows the content of the recaps and everyone has to click in the link to read it, people can always chose not to do it. deb, I have no issue with you posting the recaps... so post away! Everyone has a choice whether to read them or not. You shouldn't just not post them because a few fans (myself included) disagree with parts of their content. Afterall, this isn't reality or life and death; it's for the most part a satirical take on the show and it's characters, and it is indeed funny at times. Yes, I disagree with some of its content, and I do sympathize with damonsgirl, but I tolerate some of its lesser "qualities" cause overall it's a nice change of pace to the general belligerent and solemn nature of TVD comments and shipper wars. Obviously if you're a Damon fan you wouldn't like it as much, but I am not one, so it's a little bit easier for me to enjoy. Movies and Television shows are full of objectionable content, but we still watch them, don't we? I hope damonsgirl understand what I'm trying to say.
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