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Post by Ruby on Jan 29, 2015 21:04:34 GMT -5
THIS IS A DEBATES AREA THREAD PLEASE READ BELOW lets come together to share our thoughts about tonight's episode! =) All TVD Fans Welcomed including Exclusive Ship fans lol Lets discuss:
What did you Like? What you did not like? What was your favorite scene/quote? What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard?
ONLY RULES* When replying to someone's response please BE POLITE AND AVOID BEING RUDE TO SOMEONE'S OPINION. =) You can nicely state why you might disagree without saying "well you're wrong" or "I dont like your opinion" Lets stick to the episode topic xoxo
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Post by Ruby on Jan 29, 2015 21:49:22 GMT -5
I have this episode a 4 out of 5 DO not get me wrong it was a hell of an episode but it had a couple of things that just make me cringe. The Gemini StorylineI am so interested in this storyline and it honestly made the whole episode for me. I never really cared for Luke. Like in the beginning I felt he had potential but then he was pushed to the back burner and kind of under appreciated. Myself included in the one under appreciating him. TOnight he shined so bright. Doing what he had to do to save his sisters. It was so heroic and badass and I wish he could beat Kai ;/ but unfortunately he did not. I didn't think of him being able to merge with Kai but his theory was good enough, being that they are both twins from the same bloodline and kai is technically his same age since he was stuck in time. I feel so bad for LIV now because liv will feel so guilty and blame herself. But now the coven has to answer to KAI when the father dies which I'm assuming will be very soon. I actually thought if Luke won, the new big bad for the rest of the season would had been Luke because when the father was explaining the process of the merge, he said that both souls move into the body and take characteristics from the one who passes. I thought if Luke won, then he would've had some powerful split personality going on. I think it will still happen with Kai and Luke will fight his way through in Kai's body like Katherine/Elena thing. -------------------- DamonSo Damon Damon Damon. I have always enjoyed Damon as a character since day 1. I have this love and hate thing with him and today I was like crap Damon… I love that Damon can be very all or nothing when it comes to helping people he cares about. He doesn't care the consequence, he goes for it. Makes the tough calls etc. Tonight it just sucked. I loved he thought of the idea of using Kai to suck out the magic in the vampire blood for Liz but someone was going to die regardless with his plan. He told parker to have the twins merge which meant liv would die, but since he doesn't care for her..she was disposable. and honestly I will not understand this show if next episode comes and no one is upset at Damon for this. JO, LIV, I think even Elena should be upset but I have a feeling they wont. It was the same thing when Caroline and Stefan agreed to kill Tyler's werewolf friend for Klaus' sake because it helped with whatever plan they had in motion. Our gang will always be someone else's villain and the horrible thing it will be dismissed. So yea, Damon went through all this trouble to grant Liz..what? A couple of extra weeks of life. ----------------------- Elena
Warning: This is a bit anti Elena so read at your own caution. I do not like what they have done with Elena. They erased her memories of loving Damon, yet she's been up his behind since he's been back. I guess because the whole love thing is still there but she just doesn't know it yet BUT she's still all over the place. Including Damon's plan for tonight's episode. Only thing she said was "Jo, ill let Damon explain to you he just signed a death wish for one of your siblings"…. smh Anyways I won't get into all that… Stefan has been the one with Caroline this whole time regarding the situation with her mom. You were there with her in the hospital and you let stefan be the one to tell her about her mom but after that where have you been for one of your best friends? Then you have the audacity to get at Stefan regarding the whole vampire blood treatment elena did on the cancer patient? Like you have NO RIGHT whats so ever. Im glad Stefan answered her back the way he did but I would have been worse, just asking where the hell you have been? Why weren't you there? Urgh That just urked me the whole episode. CarolineCaroline screwed up. She knows it. Damon said what everyone was supposedly thinking and instead of b***ing about it, she went to plan floral arrangements lol You have to love Caroline haha. I feel bad for her because she will have to watch her mom die with nothing she could do about it, same way her dad died with nothing she could do about it. I wish Tyler and Matt were around for her just as much Stefan has been. I cherish their friendship so much and part of me resents the possibility of them hooking up even though I know I will grow into it. I know I probably have more to discuss but I guess as we discuss away, I will add another two cents into the mix Here some gifs I enjoyed… Liv your body, hot damn Why couldn't we see Tyler and Liv actually get it on? Kai speaking for Stelenas out there lol Yes Stefan Preach it. Humor even when she's dying lol Elena hair and body appreciation gif for @dman24 oh yea got this explanation on tumblr regarding why the vamp blood doesn't cure cancer i understand now why vamp blood makes cancer worse. in order to heal, your body has to regrow cells to replace the ones that are damaged - which is how vamp blood works (speeding up cell growth). cancer is an abnormal overproduction of immature cells that form masses aka tumors. so logically (holy crap logic in tvd) vamp blood speeds up this proccess and makes it worse.
For you Anna since you loved this scene so much and mention the gif hehe
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Post by crimmyj on Jan 30, 2015 0:35:28 GMT -5
I have this episode a 4 out of 5 DO not get me wrong it was a hell of an episode but it had a couple of things that just make me cringe. The Gemini StorylineI am so interested in this storyline and it honestly made the whole episode for me. I never really cared for Luke. Like in the beginning I felt he had potential but then he was pushed to the back burner and kind of under appreciated. Myself included in the one under appreciating him. TOnight he shined so bright. Doing what he had to do to save his sisters. It was so heroic and badass and I wish he could beat Kai ;/ but unfortunately he did not. I didn't think of him being able to merge with Kai but his theory was good enough, being that they are both twins from the same bloodline and kai is technically his same age since he was stuck in time. I feel so bad for LIV now because liv will feel so guilty and blame herself. But now the coven has to answer to KAI when the father dies which I'm assuming will be very soon. I actually thought if Luke won, the new big bad for the rest of the season would had been Luke because when the father was explaining the process of the merge, he said that both souls move into the body and take characteristics from the one who passes. I thought if Luke won, then he would've had some powerful split personality going on. I think it will still happen with Kai and Luke will fight his way through in Kai's body like Katherine/Elena thing. -------------------- DamonSo Damon Damon Damon. I have always enjoyed Damon as a character since day 1. I have this love and hate thing with him and today I was like crap Damon… I love that Damon can be very all or nothing when it comes to helping people he cares about. He doesn't care the consequence, he goes for it. Makes the tough calls etc. Tonight it just sucked. I loved he thought of the idea of using Kai to suck out the magic in the vampire blood for Liz but someone was going to die regardless with his plan. He told parker to have the twins merge which meant liv would die, but since he doesn't care for her..she was disposable. and honestly I will not understand this show if next episode comes and no one is upset at Damon for this. JO, LIV, I think even Elena should be upset but I have a feeling they wont. It was the same thing when Caroline and Stefan agreed to kill Tyler's werewolf friend for Klaus' sake because it helped with whatever plan they had in motion. Our gang will always be someone else's villain and the horrible thing it will be dismissed. So yea, Damon went through all this trouble to grant Liz..what? A couple of extra weeks of life. ----------------------- Elena
Warning: This is a bit anti Elena so read at your own caution. I do not like what they have done with Elena. They erased her memories of loving Damon, yet she's been up his behind since he's been back. I guess because the whole love thing is still there but she just doesn't know it yet BUT she's still all over the place. Including Damon's plan for tonight's episode. Only thing she said was "Jo, ill let Damon explain to you he just signed a death wish for one of your siblings"…. smh Anyways I won't get into all that… Stefan has been the one with Caroline this whole time regarding the situation with her mom. You were there with her in the hospital and you let stefan be the one to tell her about her mom but after that where have you been for one of your best friends? Then you have the audacity to get at Stefan regarding the whole vampire blood treatment elena did on the cancer patient? Like you have NO RIGHT whats so ever. Im glad Stefan answered her back the way he did but I would have been worse, just asking where the hell you have been? Why weren't you there? Urgh That just urked me the whole episode. CarolineCaroline screwed up. She knows it. Damon said what everyone was supposedly thinking and instead of b***ing about it, she went to plan floral arrangements lol You have to love Caroline haha. I feel bad for her because she will have to watch her mom die with nothing she could do about it, same way her dad died with nothing she could do about it. I wish Tyler and Matt were around for her just as much Stefan has been. I cherish their friendship so much and part of me resents the possibility of them hooking up even though I know I will grow into it. I know I probably have more to discuss but I guess as we discuss away, I will add another two cents into the mix Here some gifs I enjoyed… Liv your body, hot damn Why couldn't we see Tyler and Liv actually get it on? Kai speaking for Stelenas out there lol Yes Stefan Preach it. Humor even when she's dying lol Elena hair and body appreciation gif for @dman24 oh yea got this explanation on tumblr regarding why the vamp blood doesn't cure cancer i understand now why vamp blood makes cancer worse. in order to heal, your body has to regrow cells to replace the ones that are damaged - which is how vamp blood works (speeding up cell growth). cancer is an abnormal overproduction of immature cells that form masses aka tumors. so logically (holy crap logic in tvd) vamp blood speeds up this proccess and makes it worse.
For you Anna since you loved this scene so much and mention the gif hehe I agree with so many of your points, Ruby. Particularly what you said about Damon. But what really irked me tonight about Damon being Damon is in between his impulsive decision making that yet again failed and caused more harm, was how he talked to Caroline (she knows she messed up big, so guilt her even more? not helpful, only hurtful) or just nonchalantly calling Tyler a moron more than once. It is so unnecessary and rude. but he is really attractive so...ok? *shrug* Also second episode with no Bonnie and it hurts my heart.
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Post by amimi on Jan 30, 2015 1:10:18 GMT -5
Ugh, my PVR cut off and I missed about 10 minutes from the first half. Could someone please please post the early hospital scene, when they figure out what's going on with Liz, Elena and Stefan's confrontation, and Damon killing Colin? TIA so much!
I saw everything else and didn't really like it at all. The plots used to be so much more seamless... Ric was off searching for some artifact during the episode with the merge? Wtf? Tyler is busy with a new girlfriend and makes no mention or interest in comforting Caroline at her mother's death bed? And where was Matt?
Most glaring is that the early seasons never would have left Bonnie alone for so long, to the point that they don't even mention her for several episodes!
This and last episode have made Elena the most distasteful character, faking dying and scaring Damon last week and this week making Liz's death about herself!! It's just... I can't even say it's unbelievable because we're not surprised anymore. She is now a full-on idiot and serves no purpose in the storyline. How do you wrap up the story of your protagonist when she's completely pointless?
Still trying to ingest my weekly dose of Steroline to prepare my system for the inevitable. It's Liz's dying wish, after all. Candice is a great actress, though, she's really shining right now.
(The following is a theory...) Really the only interesting part for me was learning about Mama Salvatore... Giuseppe sent her away before she died... Think it's possible she became a vampire? I'm not sure I want her to come in and change the Defan dynamic. But something tells me she might be involved with the big bad of S7...?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 8:41:50 GMT -5
Technically the episode was good, i gave it 4/5, it didn't knock me from my chair with enthusiasm though, several reasons are...my God, this is a sad day, when you wish the heroine of the show would not be in the show anymore. Saying no more!
The best oneline/quote was imo: Liz Forbes to Kai: "Just the fact that you are talking is enough for me to wish I were dead! LOL, that was such a dry remark...
Where were Jer and Matt, outside at the creek fishing?
I didn't like Damon this episode, one plain reason for that! Can't stand the scenes between him and El. It is enough for me to turn off the volume, and as soon as he is involved or has so much as little contact with El he goes all idiotic again!
The dynamic and chemistry between Stef, Caro, Liz Forbes was energetic and well done.
RIP Luke wondertwin.
Can't get used to Ty and Liv yet, I don't loathe them as a couple, but I havn't warmed up to them.
Kai is a creepy and very well used villain, the actor manages to balance comical, weird and serious/creepy elements of his character. It was impossible for Luke to beat him, bec the SL needs the nemesis/supervillain of Mordechai badly after a season 5 of wannabe creeps and villains.
Overall not the best epsiode, but ok!
Cheers!
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Post by damonsgirl on Jan 30, 2015 10:13:20 GMT -5
Not my favourite episode either, although I am glad that the "merge" has happened and we can move on to the more interesting story of helping Bonnie. Damon is still Damon thank the heavens, and I for one was glad that he had his priorities straight. Still willing to do the controversial stuff to help the people he cares about the most, rather than defying logic and reason. @ruby, Damon's actions not only gave Liz more time, but also prevented her from dying and turning vamp, and living an excruciating existence as displayed by Colin. Nobody wanted that to happen hence why everyone was rallying around to try and fix Caroline's idiotic mistake. Damon's plan worked, yes it had consequences, and Damon doesn't care because why should he? The whole damn coven treats it's twins as disposable commodities to keep it alive, that is their messed up world, not Damon's. This crazy coven and their barbaric merging ceremonies are nothing to do with him,and not his problem, someone was going to die in the end, and he knew deep down that Jo wasn't strong enough to beat Kai, heck Luke wasn't and he has had is magic all his life. They have been living in denial, and Damon got sucked into that for a while, but without Ric around to guilt trip him, he was running on instinct, trying to save his friends life, because that was the priority for Damon in that moment. The whole reason Kai is here in the first place is so he can do this particular ritual, and the only reason he is still alive at the moment, is because Ric didn't kill him when he should've. As it stands, Liz is alive, and Jo is alive and Liv is alive. Tyler messed up the plan by intervening, he saved Livs life. If Liv and Luke had merged, like Damon planned, Liv would be dead, but Luke would be alive and would be the head of the Gemini coven, instead, we have the demented Kai. I can't blame Tyler either, he was just doing what most of these characters do, looking out for their own. I don't buy this love story, but it is canon. Again, Damon is the catalyst for getting things done, and keeping things moving, and I liked that he killed Colin and granted his wish.
I really enjoyed Marguerites performance, she did a really great job. I enjoyed her interaction with everyone. Caroline had to do some really quick growing up this episode, and I think she will accept that her mother is going to die now and spend quality time with her. So sad.
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Post by shoe20 on Jan 30, 2015 10:43:46 GMT -5
Can the writing get any worse? How could they have Elena say "life's to short" when she's immortal? Save it for when she's turned human again....lol Stefan, Caroline, and Liz carried the episode for me.... But writer's please! They're using Liz's cancer as a plot device to drive all the relationships. Not just Steroline! Liz's scene begging Stefan to be there for Caroline when she died, was very touching and well acted. Elena.....hopeless....her character has been destroyed beyond repair to make DE possible. She still hasn't talked to her best friend about her mothers death. Pass it on the Stefan and chew his butt because you think he should have done it differently.... and another episode without mentioning her best friend, Bonnie. Damon... No mystery, how I feel about his character.... I keep hoping for some redeeming quality to surface....lol Every time there's a flicker of hope it evaporates...... Shaming Caroline for her plan to save her Mom that didn't work and BOOM 20 mins later Damon's plan kills her. (yes, that was a flat line)..... Damon never could hide anything (moonstone, anyone), but he did come up with plans that worked....until his disaster of a plan in the S5 finale....it's been down hill from there... Do DE'ers not see what a weenie he becomes when he's with Elena? Liv.... I was never a fan of the "wonder twins", but these last two episodes have given me a new appreciation for Liv I wonder how happy she'll be with Damon's great plan that got her brother killed? Jeremy.... seems like your gone already dude. Stefan..... He's finally out of the getting bashed phase, and it look like he be the mature character to take over for Liz when she's gone...... I still don't think he will bed Caroline.... He has a deep connection with Caroline, but it's not based on lust.... Taking advantage of Liz dying to make it with Caroline is not in his nature, and if they write it that way, I'm going to Atlanta.....kidding. lol This is deb's but it's a great point. WHEN A SOCIOPATH SAYS YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS DYSFUNCTIONAL, THERE’S A PROBLEM
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Post by Kiki on Jan 30, 2015 11:38:30 GMT -5
This Delena kiss was so completely out of the storyline. They went from beeing so sad about Liz to licking at each other in less than a minute? Even if Liz (their oh so importand friend) is dying all they can do is think about themselves? Ugh... they really deserve each other. This episode made me hate Damon even more. The way he talked to Caroline was so ugly. He really showed his true nature to her and Tyler again. Just another proof that he just pretends to be friends with Elena's friends to get into her pants again. But everyone just acepts it. I'm sure Alaric will drink some booze with him for putting Joe in so much danger again. But on the positive side... I love how Caroline and Stefan are friends again. Those two are really cute friends. I hope they will not become lovers though. Why can't we have a mixed gender friendship for once? The twin storyline is getting really interesting, too. I wonder how Kai's power will work and if he stays a pain in the ass now that he got what he always wanted... amimi I like your theory about Luke fighting his way back inside of Kai. That could be interesting, too
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Post by demetra on Jan 30, 2015 12:48:21 GMT -5
I gave it a 4. Thought it was better written than the previous two episodes. That's the most Stefan has had to say since last year!! I loved Stefan actually sharing a memory from his past. How interesting they had to have Elena say how old he was so someone watching the show last night would have the continuity to put his story in context. SAYS A LOT, PEOPLE, ABOUT WHO THEY THINK IS WATCHING TVD.
As others have said, I liked the Liz-Caroline-Stefan triangle, especially the sequence of Liz packing and trying to say goodbye, it was sweet, and also made sense as to why the jolt of the sight of Caroline brought her back. I think I may be buying that a death bed promise could be something that would drive Stefan to begin to consider his feelings for Caroline. That it ultimately secures a relationship....well....I'm not there yet.
I gave Damon significant credit for his plan to use Kai to suck the magic out of Liz. That was a good idea -- kudos to the writers for actually pulling those threads together and for tying it to Mercury Retrograde! His choice probably DID serve to help bring Liz back, though he will take a lot of lumps from Jo for the outcome.
Thank you to the writers for giving Luke a dignified exit and the agency to make the choice he did.
I also liked that Elena had both something to say AND do, instead of just being Kai's victim.
Sorry, though, the sight of Damon and Elena kissing just makes me gag and shiver. I don't know why. Sometimes I wish I did. Damon and Katherine didn't bother me. I also wasn't a big fan way back when when Klaus and Hayley got it on. Instant shivers -- in the name of ____, who wants to see Klaus have sex?
Did anyone else think Liv looked exactly like Caroline when she was lying in bed with Tyler?
Finally, Tyler -- you did something! Good for you, man. That was on my list.
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Post by deb on Jan 30, 2015 12:57:28 GMT -5
Can the writing get any worse? How could they have Elena say "life's to short" when she's immortal? Save it for when she's turned human again....lol Stefan, Caroline, and Liz carried the episode for me.... But writer's please! They're using Liz's cancer as a plot device to drive all the relationships. Not just Steroline! Liz's scene begging Stefan to be there for Caroline when she died, was very touching and well acted. Elena.....hopeless....her character has been destroyed beyond repair to make DE possible. She still hasn't talked to her best friend about her mothers death. Pass it on the Stefan and chew his butt because you think he should have done it differently.... and another episode without mentioning her best friend, Bonnie. Damon... No mystery, how I feel about his character.... I keep hoping for some redeeming quality to surface....lol Every time there's a flicker of hope it evaporates...... Shaming Caroline for her plan to save her Mom that didn't work and BOOM 20 mins later Damon's plan kills her. (yes, that was a flat line)..... Damon never could hide anything (moonstone, anyone), but he did come up with plans that worked....until his disaster of a plan in the S5 finale....it's been down hill from there... Do DE'ers not see what a weenie he becomes when he's with Elena? Liv.... I was never a fan of the "wonder twins", but these last two episodes have given me a new appreciation for Liv I wonder how happy she'll be with Damon's great plan that got her brother killed? Jeremy.... seems like your gone already dude. Stefan..... He's finally out of the getting bashed phase, and it look like he be the mature character to take over for Liz when she's gone...... I still don't think he will bed Caroline.... He has a deep connection with Caroline, but it's not based on lust.... Taking advantage of Liz dying to make it with Caroline is not in his nature, and if they write it that way, I'm going to Atlanta.....kidding. lol This is deb's but it's a great point. WHEN A SOCIOPATH SAYS YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS DYSFUNCTIONAL, THERE’S A PROBLEM I have to be honest, it's not mine, I found that quote here: stefan4president.tumblr.com/. I didn't watch the episode but this quote gave me a little hope that the writers know what they are doing and are still trying to show us that DE is wrong. Maybe DE will be end game, I don't know and I don't care anymore, because Elena's gone, she really died on that bridge and, like Stefan did, I decided to let her go too. But at least, the writers are still repeating that this isn't a good or healthy relationship, that you should root for.
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Post by deb on Jan 30, 2015 12:59:00 GMT -5
CW THE VAMPIRE DIARIES 0.7 2 1.45
It's a new series low.
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Post by amimi on Jan 30, 2015 14:33:20 GMT -5
amimi I like your theory about Luke fighting his way back inside of Kai. That could be interesting, too Not mine, Ruby's I believe, but yes, a very interesting idea! Will it humanize Kai, will it make him question his own motives?
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Post by crimmyj on Jan 30, 2015 14:36:05 GMT -5
In regards to Damon...I'm sorry but the whole 'it's ok if he treats people like crap, because the ends justify the means' is just not a good lesson. *sigh*
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Post by shoe20 on Jan 30, 2015 17:31:01 GMT -5
In regards to Damon...I'm sorry but the whole 'it's ok if he treats people like crap, because the ends justify the means' is just not a good lesson. *sigh* That's the basis of my dislike for Damon's character...... The series shouldn't glorify an "abusive" character.... it sends the wrong message to young "mush" minds.... ) If they wanted to force DE, they should have redeemed his character first..... not take away Elena's agency with the SB and destroy her base character to make her "dark" enough to be with him..... Kinda a "cart before the horse" thing....
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Post by damonsgirl on Jan 30, 2015 19:54:20 GMT -5
In regards to Damon...I'm sorry but the whole 'it's ok if he treats people like crap, because the ends justify the means' is just not a good lesson. *sigh* With respect, I think that statement reflects Caroline's actions far more than Damon's. He was just picking up the pieces.
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