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Post by tara on Nov 7, 2014 9:48:04 GMT -5
THIS IS A DEBATES AREA THREAD PLEASE READ BELOWlets come together to share our thoughts about tonight's episode! =) All TVD Fans Welcomed including Exclusive Ship fans lol Lets discuss: What did you Like? What you did not like? What was your favorite scene/quote? What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard? ONLY RULES* When replying to someone's response please BE POLITE AND AVOID BEING RUDE TO SOMEONE'S OPINION. =) You can nicely state why you might disagree without saying "well you're wrong" or "I dont like your opinion" Lets stick to the episode topic xoxo
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 7, 2014 11:11:02 GMT -5
Like: hero Stefan. human Alaric. Damon's phone call to Bonnie.
Didn't like: whiny Damon with manpain. more crapping on Stefan by some characters. NO BONNIE! lack of moving other storylines forward for the sake of focusing on relationships, felt like a complete waste of exposition. Honestly I could go on for awhile, but I would rather kick rocks.
Rick no longer a vampire, what does that do to the compulsion rules? I would think that would mean the compulsion would be gone ("dead" vampire = no more compulsion) but apparently the new rule is ...vampire turns human then compulsion still in effect because that makes all the sense that is not? writers you totally suck at this. Whatever, we have to set up this epic DE finding each other again or something.
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Post by demetra on Nov 7, 2014 12:56:48 GMT -5
THAT WAS F*$###ING EPIC!!!!!!!
I LOVED IT.
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 7, 2014 13:28:39 GMT -5
What did you Like? That it was fast-paced and full-packed. Alaric basically apologizing to Stefan for his unfair speech. Stefan's: "Enzo turns Ivy, right? A hunter kills her, and yet I'm the bad guy?" Elena AGAIN saying that Damon killed her brother (Methinks the writers have been tumblring), and guessing that Damon would kill Liam. Alaric refusing to decompel Elena without her consent. Jeremy's scenes.
Matt's attitude towards Enzo and spilling the truth tea to Sarah about the Salvatores and their innate magnet of death. Jo being smart, and Jo being straightforward, and lmao, telling Elena to stop (lying). I felt so embarrassed for Elena. "I like your bracelet," she said while Jo knew full well why she was snooping. Oh, the embarrassment. Jo in general. She's growing on me. Just don't make her weak and pathetic. Alaric breaking the car window and being badass for a split second.
Damon's scene with Jeremy. I don't resent him for lying. It wasn't right, but I he did it with good intentions. And even if he was like a 12 year old, I loled at him drawing a stick figure next to Elena. Damon telling Stefan to save Enzo first. Damon telling Stefan, "I missed you, too."
Alaric on the verge of dying. Man, Matt Davis is really good at playing hurt/dying. I've noticed this since season 1. Stefan being the hero. That was one of my favorite moments of the episode. Alaric becoming human again. He was meant to be one. The music at the end, haha. Tripp. I get that not all vampires are bad, but if only he didn't go around killing vampires without knowing who they were, I'd totally support his case.
What you did not like?
The fact that every scene was tainted with Delena. They either began with them or they ended with them. Almost every bloody scene. Steroline. Please stay frans, kthnx. The synopsis said: Jeremy lashes out in a destructive way. I imagined something more destructive than punching a pool table. So, I liked the scene, but I expected more. And as much as I like Jeremy and Matt, it bummed me out that Matt was there for him, and not Alaric and Elena, though I get why they couldn't. I like Human Alaric, but I wanted to see his Original-ness exploited more. I hate the fact that he used his powers to erase Elena's memories and nothing more.
What was your favorite scene/quote?
I'll have to get back to this. I don't have a favorite, but I'll add ones that I like as I remember them: After Enzo said, "I killed his new girlfriend," Damon's "That will do it," was funny.
What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard?
Sadly for me... I was stupid enough to look at a couple of boards before I watched the episode so I caught a glimpse of "Alaric" and "human" in the same sentence. :/ I still enjoyed it, but I would have been more shocked if I hadn't come across spoilers.
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Post by jennifer on Nov 7, 2014 15:46:16 GMT -5
Like: hero Stefan. human Alaric. Damon's phone call to Bonnie. Didn't like: whiny Damon with manpain. more crapping on Stefan by some characters. NO BONNIE! lack of moving other storylines forward for the sake of focusing on relationships, felt like a complete waste of exposition. Honestly I could go on for awhile, but I would rather kick rocks. Rick no longer a vampire, what does that do to the compulsion rules? I would think that would mean the compulsion would be gone ("dead" vampire = no more compulsion) but apparently the new rule is ...vampire turns human then compulsion still in effect because that makes all the sense that is not? writers you totally suck at this. Whatever, we have to set up this epic DE finding each other again or something. Good point about the compulsion. Will they gloss over it? Say that since Alaric is some witchified version of an Original vampire his compulsion doesn't end? I don't see a loophole with this one if he's no longer a vampire.
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Post by Kiki on Nov 7, 2014 15:51:09 GMT -5
Like: hero Stefan. human Alaric. Damon's phone call to Bonnie. Didn't like: whiny Damon with manpain. more crapping on Stefan by some characters. NO BONNIE! lack of moving other storylines forward for the sake of focusing on relationships, felt like a complete waste of exposition. Honestly I could go on for awhile, but I would rather kick rocks. Rick no longer a vampire, what does that do to the compulsion rules? I would think that would mean the compulsion would be gone ("dead" vampire = no more compulsion) but apparently the new rule is ...vampire turns human then compulsion still in effect because that makes all the sense that is not? writers you totally suck at this. Whatever, we have to set up this epic DE finding each other again or something. Good point about the compulsion. Will they gloss over it? Say that since Alaric is some witchified version of an Original vampire his compulsion doesn't end? I don't see a loophole with this one if he's no longer a vampire. they will just never talk about it again like they did with the sirebond. The witch in New Orleans told them how to break it and none of that ever happened but it was still broken or said to be broken or whatever. Same will go for the compusion. It will just be replaced by some other drama and nobody will mention it anymore
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 7, 2014 16:34:39 GMT -5
Another exchange that I found funny:
Jo: This hospital sucks. I can't believe anyone makes it out of here alive. Alaric: They usually don't.
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Post by stelena4ever on Nov 7, 2014 19:50:08 GMT -5
For me practically the whole episode sucked.
I loved how Stefan was trying to apologize to Caroline and she just walked away. You go girl!
Hated Stefan pimping delena again.
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Post by deb on Nov 7, 2014 19:55:58 GMT -5
Ratings: 0.7 / 1.56 million.
Lowest episode in this season and second lowest in TVD.
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Post by napoli on Nov 7, 2014 20:43:42 GMT -5
Another exchange that I found funny: Jo: This hospital sucks. I can't believe anyone makes it out of here alive. Alaric: They usually don't. I was wondering if that was a dig at Meredith.
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Post by napoli on Nov 7, 2014 20:49:33 GMT -5
What did you Like?
‘I just need to see her Stefan. Our eyes will meet, fireworks will go off and the balance of nature will be restored.’ I guess Damon is wrong again because Elena is taking Liam to the Thanksgiving dinner. What Damon doesn’t realise is that taking away the consuming love from Elena has already restored the balance of nature for Elena.
Elena finally giving a crap about Jeremy and wanting Alaric to call him to make sure he’s okay and then when she finds out Ric is human she reassures him that she doesn’t care that he can’t uncompell her but that she’s just happy that he got to be human given how much he didn’t want to be a vampire.
I just noticed in the scene with Sara and Jeremy in the Salvatore kitchen there’s a huge monogram ‘S’ on the fireplace. I now really want that fireplace but with a big ‘N’ on it.
Elena jumping out the window when Damon went into her dorm room.
Damon telling Elena compelling someone is another way of just covering the truth. Welcome to the sire bond Damon!
Stefan’s reaction when Elena told him she kissed Liam. PRICELESS! And the fact that Elena is worried that Damon is going to kill Liam. Should we place bets?
Matt – every scene is a joy with him.
At least Alaric respects Elena’s choice and won’t uncompel her against her will regardless of what Damon wants. That whole scene with Alaric and Damon ‘She loved you too much and it was killing her.’ What’s Damon’s answer ‘Well I’m flattered.’ I’m so glad Damon is still showing his true colours. He doesn’t give a crap that Elena was suffering but took it as a compliment. ‘I am tired of hearing how hard it was for her it was hard for me as well.’ Seriously, he’s a douchebag.
Other douchebag moments: Damon ‘lying in wait’ like a predator on Elena’s bed; pushing down a photo with Stefan and Elena; and drawing himself as a stick figure. He was intrusive and clearly not respecting Elena’s wishes to keep him out of her life. Again, so glad Damon hasn’t changed.
I like when Caroline says ‘Let me know when you figure out how you’re going to make everything up to me.’ Then Stefan immediately saves her life. I think that makes them even, no?
Damon calling Bonnie’s phone but then it quickly became a not like because he pined about Elena and quickly hung up.
Alaric finally admitting he did jack squat about finding Damon and was wrong to harp on Stefan about it.
Stefan once again being the true hero by going into MF boundaries to save Enzo first because Damon asked him to and then save Damon even though it could have killed Stefan in the process.
Jo saving Alaric with her doctor skills and Alaric becoming human. Maybe I’ll start to like him again.
Matt warning Sara to stay away from Stefan and Damon because they’re vampires.
What you did not like?
Ivy dying. She was great comic relief. Now I’m back to laughing at scenes that I’m pretty sure aren’t supposed to be funny.
Tripp.
Stefan lying about Bonnie to protect Damon.
Everyone dumping on Stefan for giving up on looking for his brother. Look what hypocrites they all are. Alaric admitted he gave up long ago. Caroline spending the summer with her mom reading books was useless. Not to mention Jo, Luke and Liv who are all members of the Gemini coven have been under Alaric and Caroline’s noses the whole time. I know I sound like a broken record but until Stefan goes back to ripper mode because he chooses to and starts killing waitresses (like Enzo), pregnant women (like Damon) and attacking random people (like Elena during her witchy drug phase) I will continue to defend Stefan.
Elena hanging up on Stefan as soon as she saw Jo at the hospital.
Caroline worrying about Enzo. He kills people just so he can feed. Enzo is who she is defending but she is mad at Stefan because he doesn’t love her back?
Stefan being a DE cheerleader (again!). f**** off Stefan! See I can criticise Stefan when it’s warranted.
I get why Damon wanted to comfort Jeremy and keep Bonnie’s true fate a secret but by doing so Damon is basically prolonging her suffering by focusing on his relationship with Elena instead of getting the gang in on all the information he has about Bonnie. Damon lying also took all hope away from Jeremy and that wasn’t fair.
Damon complaining that Stefan didn’t warn him there was a vampire hunter in town. Defan spent a few minutes in the crypt and then Damon was off trying to force Elena to love him again. Seriously is this season 1-4 again?
The Steroline build up.
Leaving a cliff hanger for the next episode of whether or not Elena still loves Damon when they see each other for the first time since Damon’s return. TVD really is a soap opera.
What was your favorite scene/quote?
‘He(Damon)’s a psychotic killer...I don’t see anything that could balance out the bad.’ Elena speaking for the entire SE fandom since s1!
‘I know it’s not school, it’s not work, if it’s another girl I’d shower first.’ Gross Sara. You’re right but it’s still gross.
‘Just open the door Elena. Everything can go back to the way it was.’ Why would Elena want that? DE were constantly fighting and breaking up and they would make up not because they made each other happy but because they were just a little less miserable than when they were apart.
‘I’m sorry. I was confused about which vampires we like and which ones we don’t.’ Matt is the other moral compass of the show and seems to be the one with the most sense and yet he has no supernatural skills.
‘How can I make any decisions if I only know half the story?’ Is Elena talking about Damon or Stefan here? SIRE BOND.
‘It’s not that I don’t want Elena to be happy I just want her to be happy with me.’ then a few hours later ‘I don’t want her to be happy I want her to be miserable just like I am.’
What scene was the most shocking to you or caught you off guard?
Damon getting caught by Tripp although I knew it was too good to be true.
Alaric becoming human. Even though it’s a big shiny plot device to make sure Elena stays compelled just a little while longer, after all we know the compulsion can wear off once she enters MF limits or she could just take a little trip to NOLA to get her memories back, it foreshadows other vampires becoming human.
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 7, 2014 23:18:38 GMT -5
What I liked is stefen being the hero again Matt standing up for himself My favorite moment was seeing the hope on stefens face when he saw alaric made it and that made me feel elena and stefen becoming human and getting married like they have forshadowed for so long is a plausible end game if the writers are smart. Damon being damon the writers are showing us how selfish he is. She was going to open the door until she heard him say something selfish and meanwhile she is talking to stefen. I love jo and can no t wait for storyline.
What I did not like The obvious de and steroline but I find it interesting these ships are paired together as they are both super annoying and the show they were trying to influence new ships neither was depicted so I saw this as a good sign even though not like.
The scene where nina is desperate to save damon seemed bad writing and acting as it made no logocal sense based on her hate for damon
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Post by aliensoul13 on Nov 8, 2014 14:58:18 GMT -5
I love Ian Somerhalder.
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 8, 2014 19:16:13 GMT -5
Although even ian is drinking the kool aid of everyone gave up on him and how selfish of elena to give up and think he is dead dead lol
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Post by crimmyj on Nov 8, 2014 19:23:13 GMT -5
I love Ian Somerhalder. Ian has been one of Bamon's biggest cheerleaders.
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