leelala
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Post by leelala on May 26, 2014 19:36:49 GMT -5
I think the funny thing is DE broke up and got back together about the same amount of times SE did in S1,2 and 3 LOL i'm very cautious about s6, i just really want Damon and Bonnie to be the ones who feature in TO at the start of the season!! Yes, that's very true but the glaring difference is the time frame. Three yrs vs 3 mos, the arc got redundant and predictable. I knew every cliffhanger this season over a hiatus would include a DE breakup. lol Again, not really fair to your ship. Damon had 3 serious talk to Elena this season about their relationship...the cabin, at the party, and finale. The cabin when Stefan was lying on the couch, was the only one Elena heard. And in that scene Damon was trying hard to express his emotions, when Elena 180-ed when she heard Stefan moan.....mid sentence and just as Damon was going in for some sugar. (cold) The party of course Damon was pouring his heart out to Katherine who came back with a stake to his heart, and prompted a murder rampage. The finale was an equally emotional statement to Elena, that she never heard, because Damon was dead. There's a reason why these scenes were written this way, IMO By keeping Elena ignorant of Damon's true feelings (yes, I believe her loves her deeply) It will be easier for her to move on in S6 (I don't think Elena brought much to the relationship, than a warm body) SE didnt actually date for 3 years though.... ? Ooo "nothing but a warm body?" I dont know if I can stomach that lol agree to disagree As much as his declarations were unheard, I see it as the writers keeping it open for another time, not to let her move on easier, by her not hearing it actually seems more plausible for her to fight even harder bc she has no idea that he accepted his fate.. I dont think Elena really needed to hear any of it, and she's definitely not ignorant to the extent of Damons love for her.. it would be completely OOC for Elena either way..
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Post by leelala on May 26, 2014 19:38:53 GMT -5
I honestly think S6 will be a huge growth arc for all 3 characters. Elena breaking her co-dependance .... Damon finally taking responsibilty for his actions.... and Stefan finishing what he started this season...standing strong, not mired in guilt, and accepting himself for the person he is now. Perfect post I can't agree more. You aren't going to agree with this, but this character growth will bring them closer together-allow Stefan to move on, Damon and Stefan to get closer and develop a new understanding of eachother, and give delena the strength to finally be together without the dependence and desperation to not lose eachother. I actually am starting to see good things for s6. love this!! completely agree
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Post by shoe20 on May 26, 2014 20:00:20 GMT -5
I really do. Look at the basic format of the series....Their "go to" has always been parallel story lines(pitching similar circumstances to different Characters to define their differences) They keep recycling story line and viewer ship is falling off. Don't miss understand I love the series ( well 3 yrs anyway ) All kidding aside, when next years contracts are up, I don't think the actors will renew unless there's a big jump in viewers. I feel where you are going with this. I always thought they would make it to Season 7, probably based on something I read JP saying once. From the CW's perspective though, even with declining viewership numbers the past 2 seasons, this show is still one of their flagship shows and still gives them strong numbers overall that I can't imagine that CW would give it up so easily BUT for the actors involved the writers need to give them material worth renewing their contracts for as I am sure the CW will still show them the money. Is Dries going to be showrunner for season 6? Because that doesn't give me hope if so. From what I've read Dries is going to run the show just like this year....JP zooms in once a week for a writers meeting. My hope cup is less than half full too.
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Post by shoe20 on May 26, 2014 20:07:15 GMT -5
I honestly think S6 will be a huge growth arc for all 3 characters. Elena breaking her co-dependance .... Damon finally taking responsibilty for his actions.... and Stefan finishing what he started this season...standing strong, not mired in guilt, and accepting himself for the person he is now. Perfect post I can't agree more. You aren't going to agree with this, but this character growth will bring them closer together-allow Stefan to move on, Damon and Stefan to get closer and develop a new understanding of eachother, and give delena the strength to finally be together without the dependence and desperation to not lose eachother. I actually am starting to see good things for s6. What do you mean not agree, girl. Have you ever know me to be disagreeable. lololol Seriously, Your on the money with the brother's getting closer next season because of their growth arcs. It will definitely happen. Gotta stop there....We don't need to beat the dead horse, again I am glad your looking forward to the season though. =) Katherine's holding the sign down right now, but here's a pic.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 20:11:13 GMT -5
I feel where you are going with this. I always thought they would make it to Season 7, probably based on something I read JP saying once. From the CW's perspective though, even with declining viewership numbers the past 2 seasons, this show is still one of their flagship shows and still gives them strong numbers overall that I can't imagine that CW would give it up so easily BUT for the actors involved the writers need to give them material worth renewing their contracts for as I am sure the CW will still show them the money. Is Dries going to be showrunner for season 6? Because that doesn't give me hope if so. From what I've read Dries is going to run the show just like this year....JP zooms in once a week for a writers meeting. My hope cup is less than half full too. I think Caroline Dries is a very good writer (look it up, she wrote some of the best episodes of TVD), but not so much a showrunner. Or at-least not right now. Maybe in the future she'll be better, but so far she's done a really mediocre job. I honestly wonder if JP thought this was a good season? Cause it certainly haven't lived up to the standards this how has set in the past. I really hope season 6 rectifies all of this, but that might be asking too much from everyone. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Post by crimmyj on May 26, 2014 20:30:07 GMT -5
@dman24 I'll agree CD has written some good episodes, but her showrunning was a busted hot mess (or maybe like you she had a thing for chanting). And its pretty obvious in her writing she ships hard for a certain couple so some of her character development in later eps she has written almost came off as retcon of what other writers work they have put down previously. I was always a big fan of Andrew Chambliss work on the show. What can I say, he comes from the Whedonverse and did some amazing work on the comic season 8 stuff for my girl Buffy.
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Post by vampcares on May 26, 2014 20:37:32 GMT -5
travelers for shipping
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Post by debbie on May 27, 2014 4:24:04 GMT -5
Perfect post I can't agree more. You aren't going to agree with this, but this character growth will bring them closer together-allow Stefan to move on, Damon and Stefan to get closer and develop a new understanding of eachother, and give delena the strength to finally be together without the dependence and desperation to not lose eachother. I actually am starting to see good things for s6. What do you mean not agree, girl. Have you ever know me to be disagreeable. lololol Seriously, Your on the money with the brother's getting closer next season because of their growth arcs. It will definitely happen. Gotta stop there....We don't need to beat the dead horse, again I am glad your looking forward to the season though. =) Katherine's holding the sign down right now, but here's a pic. Just be happy we agree on something
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Post by debbie on May 27, 2014 4:37:05 GMT -5
From what I've read Dries is going to run the show just like this year....JP zooms in once a week for a writers meeting. My hope cup is less than half full too. I think Caroline Dries is a very good writer (look it up, she wrote some of the best episodes of TVD), but not so much a showrunner. Or at-least not right now. Maybe in the future she'll be better, but so far she's done a really mediocre job. I honestly wonder if JP thought this was a good season? Cause it certainly haven't lived up to the standards this how has set in the past. I really hope season 6 rectifies all of this, but that might be asking too much from everyone. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I have to agree that there were certain episodes in this season which were fantastically written, but the season as a whole was messy. It lacked continuity and flow. It rushed through storylines far too fast, ESP the good ones-instead of the season being a couple of great storylines with many layers it ended up being a few underdeveloped stories that never felt finished...and the ones that were developed enough felt repetitive (yes, delena are having problems, we know). Can cd be blamed for this, not sure, but Jp's absence certainly was felt.
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Post by debbie on May 27, 2014 4:54:35 GMT -5
Yes, that's very true but the glaring difference is the time frame. Three yrs vs 3 mos, the arc got redundant and predictable. I knew every cliffhanger this season over a hiatus would include a DE breakup. lol Again, not really fair to your ship. Damon had 3 serious talk to Elena this season about their relationship...the cabin, at the party, and finale. The cabin when Stefan was lying on the couch, was the only one Elena heard. And in that scene Damon was trying hard to express his emotions, when Elena 180-ed when she heard Stefan moan.....mid sentence and just as Damon was going in for some sugar. (cold) The party of course Damon was pouring his heart out to Katherine who came back with a stake to his heart, and prompted a murder rampage. The finale was an equally emotional statement to Elena, that she never heard, because Damon was dead. There's a reason why these scenes were written this way, IMO By keeping Elena ignorant of Damon's true feelings (yes, I believe her loves her deeply) It will be easier for her to move on in S6 (I don't think Elena brought much to the relationship, than a warm body) SE didnt actually date for 3 years though.... ? Ooo "nothing but a warm body?" I dont know if I can stomach that lol agree to disagree As much as his declarations were unheard, I see it as the writers keeping it open for another time, not to let her move on easier, by her not hearing it actually seems more plausible for her to fight even harder bc she has no idea that he accepted his fate.. I dont think Elena really needed to hear any of it, and she's definitely not ignorant to the extent of Damons love for her.. it would be completely OOC for Elena either way.. Very well said leelala, @shoe is right, Elena was purposely left out of Damon's heart to heart, almost never hearing Damon's true emotion. You can take it 2 ways, the way shoe20 did and think it will be easier for Elena to move on...but I chose to agree with you. Elena knows how Damon feels, she just has yet to hear it, I think they are saving that for s6. And because delena had way more bad times than good, yet she was still willing to die by his side, says something not only about how strong they are together but how strong they will be on his return (it's no coincidence they proved how strong they are in the finale, an intro for what's to come). Same for defan, but in their case, it's also a matter of not realizing what you have until it's gone.
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Post by debbie on May 27, 2014 5:05:48 GMT -5
Perfect post I can't agree more. You aren't going to agree with this, but this character growth will bring them closer together-allow Stefan to move on, Damon and Stefan to get closer and develop a new understanding of eachother, and give delena the strength to finally be together without the dependence and desperation to not lose eachother. I actually am starting to see good things for s6. What do you mean not agree, girl. Have you ever know me to be disagreeable. lololol Seriously, Your on the money with the brother's getting closer next season because of their growth arcs. It will definitely happen. Gotta stop there....We don't need to beat the dead horse, again I am glad your looking forward to the season though. =) Katherine's holding the sign down right now, but here's a pic. I'm a little surprised you agree on the brothers growth..do you really think s6 can lead to the brothers getting back to where they started? Do you think they can finally forgive eachother (or better question for you, can Stefan forgive Damon? *even though it is a 2 way street* . I'm hoping I'm right, that completely losing eachother and being on different planes for months will make them realize how much they miss being in eachothers lives...
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leelala
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Post by leelala on May 27, 2014 5:10:01 GMT -5
SE didnt actually date for 3 years though.... ? Ooo "nothing but a warm body?" I dont know if I can stomach that lol agree to disagree As much as his declarations were unheard, I see it as the writers keeping it open for another time, not to let her move on easier, by her not hearing it actually seems more plausible for her to fight even harder bc she has no idea that he accepted his fate.. I dont think Elena really needed to hear any of it, and she's definitely not ignorant to the extent of Damons love for her.. it would be completely OOC for Elena either way.. Very well said leelala, @shoe is right, Elena was purposely left out of Damon's heart to heart, almost never hearing Damon's true emotion. You can take it 2 ways, the way shoe20 did and think it will be easier for Elena to move on...but I chose to agree with you. Elena knows how Damon feels, she just has yet to hear it, I think they are saving that for s6. And because delena had way more bad times than good, yet she was still willing to die by his side, says something not only about how strong they are together but how strong they will be on his return (it's no coincidence they proved how strong they are in the finale, an intro for what's to come). Same for defan, but in their case, it's also a matter of not realizing what you have until it's gone. This!! And I believe that it will take a little bit of time to get there but when they do it will be epic!! As long as they dont ruin it with Bonnie/Damon getting amnesia.. I've heard that spec going around
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Post by leelala on May 27, 2014 5:14:31 GMT -5
debbie I think the brothers story has so much potential, and maybe Damons death is just the perfect way to bring them back together... They are both so completely different now, even since they were human... Katherine ruined their pure, honest bond and I hope this is what makes them really reconnect.. The triangle isnt in play, Stefan is no longer in love with Elena and has accepted DE and moved on, so its the perfect opportunity for them to come back to being brothers..
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Post by shoe20 on May 27, 2014 5:42:40 GMT -5
What do you mean not agree, girl. Have you ever know me to be disagreeable. lololol Seriously, Your on the money with the brother's getting closer next season because of their growth arcs. It will definitely happen. Gotta stop there....We don't need to beat the dead horse, again I am glad your looking forward to the season though. =) Katherine's holding the sign down right now, but here's a pic. I'm a little surprised you agree on the brothers growth..do you really think s6 can lead to the brothers getting back to where they started? Do you think they can finally forgive eachother (or better question for you, can Stefan forgive Damon? *even though it is a 2 way street* . I'm hoping I'm right, that completely losing eachother and being on different planes for months will make them realize how much they miss being in eachothers lives... Honestly debbie, there's only one direction the brother's ship can go..how could they be any further apart? The only time in the series I've seen the brother's close was in the S1 FB's before they transitioned. I can name a bunch of huge sacrifices and risking his life, that Stefan has done for Damon, but when I look at the reverse I come up pretty empty. I'd love to have your help on my slanted view of Defan and later today I will post something where it probably should go ..... Falls>Bromance>S Bros. I'll sneak a <tag> in it for ya.
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Post by debbie on May 27, 2014 7:53:30 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised you agree on the brothers growth..do you really think s6 can lead to the brothers getting back to where they started? Do you think they can finally forgive eachother (or better question for you, can Stefan forgive Damon? *even though it is a 2 way street* . I'm hoping I'm right, that completely losing eachother and being on different planes for months will make them realize how much they miss being in eachothers lives... Honestly debbie, there's only one direction the brother's ship can go..how could they be any further apart? The only time in the series I've seen the brother's close was in the S1 FB's before they transitioned. I can name a bunch of huge sacrifices and risking his life, that Stefan has done for Damon, but when I look at the reverse I come up pretty empty. I'd love to have your help on my slanted view of Defan and later today I will post something where it probably should go ..... Falls>Bromance>S Bros. I'll sneak a <tag> in it for ya. My post wasn't meant as a defence for Damon, but even the fact that you think they should Get closer...that's huge. We could both be wrong, they could certainly go the other way...tvd knows very well how to cause tension between family! Honestly, I have no idea what's going to happen in s6...
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