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Post by Kiki on May 25, 2014 3:23:54 GMT -5
Kiki I would love for it to be Stefan and Caroline!! We never got to see any scenes of Klaus and Stefan before Klaus left town or when he came back so I would love to see them together again. Stefan could ask the witches for help since we don't have any in MF at the moment. Caroline could be there for moral support for him. They said that Nate is back on TO now, but is he back just as a guest or as a regular I wonder? You think it could be Jeremy going there trying to get help to search for Bonnie. They did say that some of them won't be able to let things go. I could see Jeremy being that person. oh yes, Jeremy not giving up and fighting for the love of his life would be a good idea. Maybe he and Alaric go to New Orleans?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 4:38:50 GMT -5
Kiki I would love for it to be Stefan and Caroline!! We never got to see any scenes of Klaus and Stefan before Klaus left town or when he came back so I would love to see them together again. Stefan could ask the witches for help since we don't have any in MF at the moment. Caroline could be there for moral support for him. They said that Nate is back on TO now, but is he back just as a guest or as a regular I wonder? You think it could be Jeremy going there trying to get help to search for Bonnie. They did say that some of them won't be able to let things go. I could see Jeremy being that person. oh yes, Jeremy not giving up and fighting for the love of his life would be a good idea. Maybe he and Alaric go to New Orleans? I wholeheartedly support this theory
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Post by shoe20 on May 25, 2014 6:01:03 GMT -5
Delena definitely had happy moments but I think as a whole they always had this looming doubt and negative tone overshadow their relationship whether that be bc they were all consumed with each other or b/c they had constant judgment from all sides... And in a way I agree with you but I also disagree bc this was not at all their best for a lot of the reasons you stated.. For me simply making someone happy for a time doesnt make it the best of a relationship which is why I dont think we've seen it yet.. Rose's comment was far more than that and I see it as far more extreme ends of the scale than season 5 was... Season 5 for me was low, even as a Delena fan I didnt appreciate their relationship like I should have after so many seasons of waiting, but I have hope and saw hints at how amazing it could be if they both grew as people... They were co-dependent and not at their best, this is exactly why I believe once they go through this hard time and grow on their own as individuals, it will only make them better for each other. This time apart in death will make them more well rounded and dont necessarily believe they will get back together as soon as Damon and Bonnie return either.. I think Damon will change a lot from this experience, I actually had a thought that Elena and Damon may move on for a time.. But having said that, the best of them is yet to come.. Death will change Damon I think in a really positive way.. The spoiler that states Elena will deal with this surprisingly, for me it hints at strength that she hasnt had before. I dont believe for a second she will just accept and move on from losing two of the most important people in her life but i welcome her being a leader and i think thats one of the positives that came out of her time with Damon, he made her strong .. this is my hope anyway I've been a little busy with other things lately. lol But I've been reading and want to single out your post to comment on. It's refreshing for a DE shipper to have an objective view of how DE was written this season. And I was not shocked to see it came from you. They were very co-dependent all season....and their relationship was written as one of convince not commitment. Elena pretty much used Damon as her boy-toy most of the season, and voiced no commitment to their relationship until she got in the car in the finale with "I'm all in" It's still debatable if that was in reference to their relationship or the "Kaboom plan" I think you correct that death will change Damon in a positive way ... It will also make Elena grow up and become stronger ... but the biggest change change will be Stefan's IMO....I'm see no way he will regress to "Ripper " status...His growth was subtle but consistent this season and he did it independent of both Elena and Damon. He's finally learned to stand on his own, something both Elena and Damon could use at this point.... Damon has been forced to deal with who he is and has been..... because of his death arc. Elena is finally not joined at the hip with one of the brothers..... and Stefan is no longer committed to defend his brother's actions or happiness. This is truly the "Reset" JP is commenting on in interviews. IMO Of course Elena and Stefan will pursue ways to recover Damon, but they won't obsess over it and let everything else fall apart. All three characters need to become happy with who they are, before they can share themselves with someone else. My hope is the writers can tell this story a little better in 6 than they did in 5..... Frankly S5 was more of a mess than S4 and became redundant with many of the same arcs repeated again and again.(how many times did DE break up and get back together?) I lost count. lol Here's hoping S6 is a fresh start for all 3.
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Post by leelala on May 25, 2014 19:00:36 GMT -5
Delena definitely had happy moments but I think as a whole they always had this looming doubt and negative tone overshadow their relationship whether that be bc they were all consumed with each other or b/c they had constant judgment from all sides... And in a way I agree with you but I also disagree bc this was not at all their best for a lot of the reasons you stated.. For me simply making someone happy for a time doesnt make it the best of a relationship which is why I dont think we've seen it yet.. Rose's comment was far more than that and I see it as far more extreme ends of the scale than season 5 was... Season 5 for me was low, even as a Delena fan I didnt appreciate their relationship like I should have after so many seasons of waiting, but I have hope and saw hints at how amazing it could be if they both grew as people... They were co-dependent and not at their best, this is exactly why I believe once they go through this hard time and grow on their own as individuals, it will only make them better for each other. This time apart in death will make them more well rounded and dont necessarily believe they will get back together as soon as Damon and Bonnie return either.. I think Damon will change a lot from this experience, I actually had a thought that Elena and Damon may move on for a time.. But having said that, the best of them is yet to come.. Death will change Damon I think in a really positive way.. The spoiler that states Elena will deal with this surprisingly, for me it hints at strength that she hasnt had before. I dont believe for a second she will just accept and move on from losing two of the most important people in her life but i welcome her being a leader and i think thats one of the positives that came out of her time with Damon, he made her strong .. this is my hope anyway I've been a little busy with other things lately. lol But I've been reading and want to single out your post to comment on. It's refreshing for a DE shipper to have an objective view of how DE was written this season. And I was not shocked to see it came from you. They were very co-dependent all season....and their relationship was written as one of convince not commitment. Elena pretty much used Damon as her boy-toy most of the season, and voiced no commitment to their relationship until she got in the car in the finale with " I'm all in" It's still debatable if that was in reference to their relationship or the "Kaboom plan"I think you correct that death will change Damon in a positive way ... It will also make Elena grow up and become stronger ... but the biggest change change will be Stefan's IMO....I'm see no way he will regress to "Ripper " status...His growth was subtle but consistent this season and he did it independent of both Elena and Damon. He's finally learned to stand on his own, something both Elena and Damon could use at this point.... Damon has been forced to deal with who he is and has been..... because of his death arc. Elena is finally not joined at the hip with one of the brothers..... and Stefan is no longer committed to defend his brother's actions or happiness. This is truly the "Reset" JP is commenting on in interviews. IMO Of course Elena and Stefan will pursue ways to recover Damon, but they won't obsess over it and let everything else fall apart. All three characters need to become happy with who they are, before they can share themselves with someone else. My hope is the writers can tell this story a little better in 6 than they did in 5..... Frankly S5 was more of a mess than S4 and became redundant with many of the same arcs repeated again and again. (how many times did DE break up and get back together?) I lost count. lol Here's hoping S6 is a fresh start for all 3. I still believe without a doubt that Elena had a realisation in the finale and even the end of episode 21 where she knew Damon was this man she is truly inlove with and didnt want to live or die without him... I think thats where the "I'm all in" came from.. Very Romeo and Juliet which yep ended this season in a tragic way.. for now And i completely agree with this statement!! Its like the saying "you have to love yourself before you can love someone else..." I think the funny thing is DE broke up and got back together about the same amount of times SE did in S1,2 and 3 LOL i'm very cautious about s6, i just really want Damon and Bonnie to be the ones who feature in TO at the start of the season!!
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Post by shoe20 on May 25, 2014 19:21:23 GMT -5
leelala, I think you have a shot at your wish for Damon and Bonnie to crossover to TO in the fall. JP is going to pull out all the stops to ward off the Sophomore Slump that many series suffer in the second season. She doesn't give up on her series until the 4th year. LOL
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Post by crimmyj on May 26, 2014 0:13:01 GMT -5
Who cares about the ships on the show...I am beginning to ship Andrew55 for some of his great posts on this thread. Excellent insight.
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Post by leelala on May 26, 2014 3:22:48 GMT -5
leelala, I think you have a shot at your wish for Damon and Bonnie to crossover to TO in the fall. JP is going to pull out all the stops to ward off the Sophomore Slump that many series suffer in the second season. She doesn't give up on her series until the 4th year. LOL LOL I certainly hope so I think it would be refreshing!
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Post by shoe20 on May 26, 2014 9:01:16 GMT -5
I think the funny thing is DE broke up and got back together about the same amount of times SE did in S1,2 and 3 LOL i'm very cautious about s6, i just really want Damon and Bonnie to be the ones who feature in TO at the start of the season!! Yes, that's very true but the glaring difference is the time frame. Three yrs vs 3 mos, the arc got redundant and predictable. I knew every cliffhanger this season over a hiatus would include a DE breakup. lol Again, not really fair to your ship. Damon had 3 serious talk to Elena this season about their relationship...the cabin, at the party, and finale. The cabin when Stefan was lying on the couch, was the only one Elena heard. And in that scene Damon was trying hard to express his emotions, when Elena 180-ed when she heard Stefan moan.....mid sentence and just as Damon was going in for some sugar. (cold) The party of course Damon was pouring his heart out to Katherine who came back with a stake to his heart, and prompted a murder rampage. The finale was an equally emotional statement to Elena, that she never heard, because Damon was dead. There's a reason why these scenes were written this way, IMO By keeping Elena ignorant of Damon's true feelings (yes, I believe her loves her deeply) It will be easier for her to move on in S6 (I don't think Elena brought much to the relationship, than a warm body) Kiki, I think your right about the significance of Damon's death being part of the "reset" JP keeps referring to for next season. I don't expect anything to take place very fast.... Elena will be on her own (with Alaric and Jer) relationship wise, and I don't expect there to be much movement to change that until mid-season. I think there are ways to repair Elena's character, but I'm not confident the writers have the talent to do it in a believable way. lol One more thing about S5 that bugs the **** out of me, is the Grand Canyon of Plot-Holes ..... Elena never knew about Damon and Enzo's plot to kidnap, torture, and kill Jeremy. OMG How is that not important to the story? Has Damon's abuse of Jeremy become so common place that it doesn't mean anything? Not trying to rant here, but this needs to be addressed in S6. I just can't believe Elena became so removed from Jer's life that she would find this information meaningless.
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Post by Kiki on May 26, 2014 9:47:04 GMT -5
One more thing about S5 that bugs the **** out of me, is the Grand Canyon of Plot-Holes ..... Elena never knew about Damon and Enzo's plot to kidnap, torture, and kill Jeremy. OMG How is that not important to the story? Has Damon's abuse of Jeremy become so common place that it doesn't mean anything? Not trying to rant here, but this needs to be addressed in S6. I just can't believe Elena became so removed from Jer's life that she would find this information meaningless. That's exactly it! Jeremy moved out of the Salvatore house and she just acepted it without asking and didn't even consider to chose between her brother and Damon. And how will Jeremy react now? Will he be there for her and comfort her after she lost Damon or will he just say "well you left me on my own now go and find somewhere else to cry" and mourn Bonnie? Caroline will have her hands full comforting Stefan. Since Matt is best friend to Jeremy now I see him helping Jeremy to drown his sorrow in some whiskey rather than comforting Elena. It would be nice to see Mystic Falls not envolving around Elena for once. If her friends tread her as shallow as she did it will help her wake up and care for them again.
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Post by vampcares on May 26, 2014 11:09:16 GMT -5
here it goes for me. stefan/elena : lovers -> friends ( now that damon is out of the picture ) -> lovers ( agonizing route to be in love again just to keep the show rolling. bonnie/jeremy : back to being just friends. Well since they're not fully outed yet to elena. bonnie/damon : together in the purgatory ( who knows what may happen well before thay have that clicked before) stefan/caroline : lexi subsitute caroline/enzo : maybe but maybe not gonna be long just like what wednesday said: Kiki I would love for it to be Stefan and Caroline!! We never got to see any scenes of Klaus and Stefan before Klaus left town or when he came back so I would love to see them together again. Stefan could ask the witches for help since we don't have any in MF at the moment. Caroline could be there for moral support for him. They said that Nate is back on TO now, but is he back just as a guest or as a regular I wonder? ::think_smiley_47:: You think it could be Jeremy going there trying to get help to search for Bonnie. They did say that some of them won't be able to let things go. I could see Jeremy being that person. ::think_smiley_50:: maybe with stefan goin for help in new orleans with caroline. so maybe caroline and klaus could have a shot. before i forgot, jeremy/liv: they can a shot too now
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Post by shoe20 on May 26, 2014 11:33:12 GMT -5
here it goes for me. stefan/elena : lovers -> friends ( now that damon is out of the picture ) -> lovers ( agonizing route to be in love again just to keep the show rolling. bonnie/jeremy : back to being just friends. Well since they're not fully outed yet to elena. bonnie/damon : together in the purgatory ( who knows what may happen well before thay have that clicked before) stefan/caroline : lexi subsitute caroline/enzo : maybe but maybe not gonna be long just like what wednesday said: Kiki I would love for it to be Stefan and Caroline!! We never got to see any scenes of Klaus and Stefan before Klaus left town or when he came back so I would love to see them together again. Stefan could ask the witches for help since we don't have any in MF at the moment. Caroline could be there for moral support for him. They said that Nate is back on TO now, but is he back just as a guest or as a regular I wonder? ::think_smiley_47:: You think it could be Jeremy going there trying to get help to search for Bonnie. They did say that some of them won't be able to let things go. I could see Jeremy being that person. ::think_smiley_50:: maybe with stefan goin for help in new orleans with caroline. so maybe caroline and klaus could have a shot. before i forgot, jeremy/liv: they can a shot too now Well I guess this post answers the need help question...lololol Welcome to the Family. I don't disagree with any of your character direction. I assume by your "stefan/caroline : lexi substitute" you think the writers will just keep them just close friends? If so, that's what I think too. I agree the new S 6 romance will be caroline/enzo(I'm no good a putting them together, lol) carnzo?) and Stefan will be the friend that has a problem with it. It may last 6 eps, you know how Caroline burns through em
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Post by vampcares on May 26, 2014 12:03:17 GMT -5
shoe20 well caroline/enzo maybe enzo gonna be the next villain . Enzo having grudge to Damon so i'm thinking he would go back to Stefan which is Damons brother to hurt him. But to be able to get near him he needs his " bestfriend" Caroline.
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Post by shoe20 on May 26, 2014 12:26:53 GMT -5
shoe20 well caroline/enzo maybe enzo gonna be the next villain . Enzo having grudge to Damon so i'm thinking he would go back to Stefan which is Damons brother to hurt him. But to be able to get near him he needs his " bestfriend" Caroline. I think that spec could easily happen. When JP signed on Enzo as full time next season....my first question was what's his job in the story line. Sure they'll give him Damon's one liners, but he still has to have a function. lol Caroline's BF and villian are the most likely... I don't think he and Alaric will be best buds just because they both drink. =) I think there's no doubt he'll be at odds with Stefan..(they got history) I still don't get his "death by Stefan" move....why didn't he just stake Elena to get his revenge? LOL
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Post by vampcares on May 26, 2014 12:32:29 GMT -5
shoe20 well caroline/enzo maybe enzo gonna be the next villain . Enzo having grudge to Damon so i'm thinking he would go back to Stefan which is Damons brother to hurt him. But to be able to get near him he needs his " bestfriend" Caroline. I think that spec could easily happen. When JP signed on Enzo as full time next season....my first question was what's his job in the story line. Sure they'll give him Damon's one liners, but he still has to have a function. lol Caroline's BF and villian are the most likely... I don't think he and Alaric will be best buds just because they both drink. =) I think there's no doubt he'll be at odds with Stefan..(they got history) I still don't get his "death by Stefan" move....why didn't he just stake Elena to get his revenge? Considering her deteriorating character this year there might not have been too much backlash. LOL "death by stefan" maybe he's really trying hard to break the brother bond. Well since we all now what Damon and Sefan been thru for over a century the Delena bond can't compare to their bortherly bond.
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Post by shoe20 on May 26, 2014 12:41:52 GMT -5
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