|
Post by Andrew55 on May 21, 2014 1:33:04 GMT -5
One thing I have heard from a lot of casual fans (most of whom are non-shippers) was that they have lost interest in the show over the last couple seasons because the plot has become so relationship driven instead of character driven. And honestly, I can see their point. Even though I don't ship Delena, I don't hate that ship but it seemed like their relationship drama took over some episodes that were meant to serve a different purpose. I mean who else felt like in the last batch of episodes that Damon and Elena were having the same discussion over and over? I think it's smart of the show to have a reset going forward into S6. I also think it's smart to cut down on the mythology and just get back to character driven story lines. Simplify everything. I'm not against a Stefan/Caroline romance. However, I worry that if the show continues beyond S6 that they will have them break up at some point. And what will that do to the friendship they have developed? I don't think the show can bring Damon back to the land of the living right away. The writers have been preaching that they want to the deaths to start feeling permanent again. If they bring Damon back right away, they would defeat that purpose and it would make the story line seem weak and shallow.
|
|
|
Post by Ruby on May 21, 2014 5:09:09 GMT -5
One thing I have heard from a lot of casual fans (most of whom are non-shippers) was that they have lost interest in the show over the last couple seasons because the plot has become so relationship driven instead of character driven. And honestly, I can see their point. Even though I don't ship Delena, I don't hate that ship but it seemed like their relationship drama took over some episodes that were meant to serve a different purpose. I mean who else felt like in the last batch of episodes that Damon and Elena were having the same discussion over and over? I think it's smart of the show to have a reset going forward into S6. I also think it's smart to cut down on the mythology and just get back to character driven story lines. Simplify everything. I'm not against a Stefan/Caroline romance. However, I worry that if the show continues beyond S6 that they will have them break up at some point. And what will that do to the friendship they have developed? I don't think the show can bring Damon back to the land of the living right away. The writers have been preaching that they want to the deaths to start feeling permanent again. If they bring Damon back right away, they would defeat that purpose and it would make the story line seem weak and shallow. I am definitely one fan that has always been about the show rather then specific ships. I never shipped Delena but I was coming to terms of them being in a relationship. but the last couple of episodes were very annoying to me regarding their convos.they were too repeptitive for my taste and I know many others. its like just be together and let it go. but like u said I lost a bit of interest bc of certain storylines.in the show etc. I hope it gets better for season six so lets see.
|
|
shoe20
Team Stefan
Posts: 1,739
|
Post by shoe20 on May 21, 2014 7:47:00 GMT -5
One thing I have heard from a lot of casual fans (most of whom are non-shippers) was that they have lost interest in the show over the last couple seasons because the plot has become so relationship driven instead of character driven. And honestly, I can see their point. Even though I don't ship Delena, I don't hate that ship but it seemed like their relationship drama took over some episodes that were meant to serve a different purpose. I mean who else felt like in the last batch of episodes that Damon and Elena were having the same discussion over and over? I think it's smart of the show to have a reset going forward into S6. I also think it's smart to cut down on the mythology and just get back to character driven story lines. Simplify everything. I'm not against a Stefan/Caroline romance. However, I worry that if the show continues beyond S6 that they will have them break up at some point. And what will that do to the friendship they have developed? I don't think the show can bring Damon back to the land of the living right away. The writers have been preaching that they want to the deaths to start feeling permanent again. If they bring Damon back right away, they would defeat that purpose and it would make the story line seem weak and shallow. Welcome again, and congrats on figuring out so much so fast. Still you will have questions....I've been here sense Oct and I still learn things about the page. Like the party-line personal message you opened last night. lol Your posts have always been thought provoking and insightful and look forward to that continuing. Enough stroking..lol Happy you signed up .... ask em is you got em. I do agree the demise of the show is 100% writer based, but they are guided by TPTB (the powers that be) so the vision is to blame.....Where's Kevin when you need him?
|
|
|
Post by Andrew55 on May 21, 2014 10:32:01 GMT -5
Here's the thing though....I do understand why they have explored Delena. A) They can't promote a triangle on the show and not explore all the sides. B) They wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the relationship in accordance with the Delena fan base. I don't have a problem with either one of those reasons. And as a big Stelena fan, I knew Delena was going to happen and needed to happen at some point. However, a relationship should not relegate other main characters and the main plot arc to background status. And that is essentially what happened this year. I think Caroline Dries is a wonderful woman but I just don't think she is a great show runner. This season was the worst as far as story lines go. The plot was so incoherent and had way too many actual stories they tried to tell. The mythology with the travelers was kind of lame...same with the doppelganger prophecy. It seemed like both those story lines were only there to create drama in the Delena relationship. But I am with this show until the end and I will hope for a better season six this fall.
|
|
Kiki
Team Stefan
Posts: 2,953
|
Post by Kiki on May 21, 2014 10:38:59 GMT -5
Here's the thing though....I do understand why they have explored Delena. A) They can't promote a triangle on the show and not explore all the sides. B) They wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the relationship in accordance with the Delena fan base. I don't have a problem with either one of those reasons. And as a big Stelena fan, I knew Delena was going to happen and needed to happen at some point. However, a relationship should not relegate other main characters and the main plot arc to background status. And that is essentially what happened this year. I think Caroline Dries is a wonderful woman but I just don't think she is a great show runner. This season was the worst as far as story lines go. The plot was so incoherent and had way too many actual stories they tried to tell. The mythology with the travelers was kind of lame...same with the doppelganger prophecy. It seemed like both those story lines were only there to create drama in the Delena relationship. But I am with this show until the end and I will hope for a better season six this fall. Although the past 2 seasons suck the show is still better than everything else on TV so I will watch season 6, too. As long as Paul Wesley is on this show I will watch
|
|
|
Post by wednesday on May 21, 2014 11:46:27 GMT -5
Here's the thing though....I do understand why they have explored Delena. A) They can't promote a triangle on the show and not explore all the sides. B) They wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the relationship in accordance with the Delena fan base. I don't have a problem with either one of those reasons. And as a big Stelena fan, I knew Delena was going to happen and needed to happen at some point. However, a relationship should not relegate other main characters and the main plot arc to background status. And that is essentially what happened this year. I think Caroline Dries is a wonderful woman but I just don't think she is a great show runner. This season was the worst as far as story lines go. The plot was so incoherent and had way too many actual stories they tried to tell. The mythology with the travelers was kind of lame...same with the doppelganger prophecy. It seemed like both those story lines were only there to create drama in the Delena relationship. But I am with this show until the end and I will hope for a better season six this fall. Although the past 2 seasons suck the show is still better than everything else on TV so I will watch season 6, too. As long as Paul Wesley is on this show I will watch As you know I've been hanging by a thread, but you and Paul have managed to help me hang in there! Hoping next season will be better for our guy!!
|
|
shoe20
Team Stefan
Posts: 1,739
|
Post by shoe20 on May 21, 2014 12:10:43 GMT -5
Here's the thing though....I do understand why they have explored Delena. A) They can't promote a triangle on the show and not explore all the sides. B) They wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the relationship in accordance with the Delena fan base. I don't have a problem with either one of those reasons. And as a big Stelena fan, I knew Delena was going to happen and needed to happen at some point. However, a relationship should not relegate other main characters and the main plot arc to background status. And that is essentially what happened this year. I think Caroline Dries is a wonderful woman but I just don't think she is a great show runner. This season was the worst as far as story lines go. The plot was so incoherent and had way too many actual stories they tried to tell. The mythology with the travelers was kind of lame...same with the doppelganger prophecy. It seemed like both those story lines were only there to create drama in the Delena relationship. But I am with this show until the end and I will hope for a better season six this fall. Yea, we all knew Delena was going to be written at some point. Frankly, if I was a Delena fan(OMG, just I type that. LOL) I would be pissed at the way it was portrayed this season....Elena never committed until the last episode with her "I'm all in" (I guess you could read it that way) and the last half of the season the writers benched most of the other characters and pulled em apart-put em together every episode. Damon said their relationship was toxic so many times it's canon. IMO the writer's centered their romance around lust and left out the rest....Like I said not a very fair shot if your were rooting for the couple.
|
|
|
Post by katvolley13 on May 21, 2014 14:15:19 GMT -5
Here's the thing though....I do understand why they have explored Delena. A) They can't promote a triangle on the show and not explore all the sides. B) They wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the relationship in accordance with the Delena fan base. I don't have a problem with either one of those reasons. And as a big Stelena fan, I knew Delena was going to happen and needed to happen at some point. However, a relationship should not relegate other main characters and the main plot arc to background status. And that is essentially what happened this year. I think Caroline Dries is a wonderful woman but I just don't think she is a great show runner. This season was the worst as far as story lines go. The plot was so incoherent and had way too many actual stories they tried to tell. The mythology with the travelers was kind of lame...same with the doppelganger prophecy. It seemed like both those story lines were only there to create drama in the Delena relationship. But I am with this show until the end and I will hope for a better season six this fall. Yea, we all knew Delena was going to be written at some point. Frankly, if I was a Delena fan(OMG, just I type that. LOL) I would be pissed at the way it was portrayed this season....Elena never committed until the last episode with her "I'm all in" (I guess you could read it that way) and the last half of the season the writers benched most of the other characters and pulled em apart-put em together every episode. Damon said their relationship was toxic so many times it's canon. IMO the writer's centered their romance around lust and left out the rest....Like I said not a very fair shot if your were rooting for the couple. That is whats funny is that they are pissed so no one is happy with de Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
|
|
|
Post by debbie on May 21, 2014 15:20:49 GMT -5
One thing I have heard from a lot of casual fans (most of whom are non-shippers) was that they have lost interest in the show over the last couple seasons because the plot has become so relationship driven instead of character driven. And honestly, I can see their point. Even though I don't ship Delena, I don't hate that ship but it seemed like their relationship drama took over some episodes that were meant to serve a different purpose. I mean who else felt like in the last batch of episodes that Damon and Elena were having the same discussion over and over? I think it's smart of the show to have a reset going forward into S6. I also think it's smart to cut down on the mythology and just get back to character driven story lines. Simplify everything. I'm not against a Stefan/Caroline romance. However, I worry that if the show continues beyond S6 that they will have them break up at some point. And what will that do to the friendship they have developed? I don't think the show can bring Damon back to the land of the living right away. The writers have been preaching that they want to the deaths to start feeling permanent again. If they bring Damon back right away, they would defeat that purpose and it would make the story line seem weak and shallow. I am definitely one fan that has always been about the show rather then specific ships. I never shipped Delena but I was coming to terms of them being in a relationship. but the last couple of episodes were very annoying to me regarding their convos.they were too repeptitive for my taste and I know many others. its like just be together and let it go. but like u said I lost a bit of interest bc of certain storylines.in the show etc. I hope it gets better for season six so lets see. I'm a huge delena fan - so for me to say this is crazy, but the writers were even too repetitive for me...c'mon we get it, you're bad for eachother but we stil live eachother yada yada yada. I get causing tension to make it interesting, but there are is many other issues they could have brought into the mix. And they completely ignored the good parts of them (contrary to popular belief there is a reason why they were together). I used to think tvds strong suits were the relationships, the writers have made it that delena, not as interesting anymore. Now I think the relationships and characters are the best parts of tvd..defan, deremy, Matt/Jeremy...the bromance scenes are just as interesting to me as anything delena offered in s5. I really hope of love of delena comes back in s6.
|
|
|
Post by debbie on May 21, 2014 16:36:57 GMT -5
Here's the thing though....I do understand why they have explored Delena. A) They can't promote a triangle on the show and not explore all the sides. B) They wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the relationship in accordance with the Delena fan base. I don't have a problem with either one of those reasons. And as a big Stelena fan, I knew Delena was going to happen and needed to happen at some point. However, a relationship should not relegate other main characters and the main plot arc to background status. And that is essentially what happened this year. I think Caroline Dries is a wonderful woman but I just don't think she is a great show runner. This season was the worst as far as story lines go. The plot was so incoherent and had way too many actual stories they tried to tell. The mythology with the travelers was kind of lame...same with the doppelganger prophecy. It seemed like both those story lines were only there to create drama in the Delena relationship. But I am with this show until the end and I will hope for a better season six this fall. Yea, we all knew Delena was going to be written at some point. Frankly, if I was a Delena fan(OMG, just I type that. LOL) I would be pissed at the way it was portrayed this season....Elena never committed until the last episode with her "I'm all in" (I guess you could read it that way) and the last half of the season the writers benched most of the other characters and pulled em apart-put em together every episode. Damon said their relationship was toxic so many times it's canon. IMO the writer's centered their romance around lust and left out the rest....Like I said not a very fair shot if your were rooting for the couple. Agreed, I'm pissed, but here's hoping to a better delena in s6!
|
|
|
Post by debbie on May 21, 2014 16:38:30 GMT -5
Here's the thing though....I do understand why they have explored Delena. A) They can't promote a triangle on the show and not explore all the sides. B) They wanted to capitalize on the popularity of the relationship in accordance with the Delena fan base. I don't have a problem with either one of those reasons. And as a big Stelena fan, I knew Delena was going to happen and needed to happen at some point. However, a relationship should not relegate other main characters and the main plot arc to background status. And that is essentially what happened this year. I think Caroline Dries is a wonderful woman but I just don't think she is a great show runner. This season was the worst as far as story lines go. The plot was so incoherent and had way too many actual stories they tried to tell. The mythology with the travelers was kind of lame...same with the doppelganger prophecy. It seemed like both those story lines were only there to create drama in the Delena relationship. But I am with this show until the end and I will hope for a better season six this fall. Although the past 2 seasons suck the show is still better than everything else on TV so I will watch season 6, too. As long as Paul Wesley is on this show I will watch At least s4 was better than s5...but I agree, tvd needs a makeover or s6 or it'll be it's last...
|
|
shoe20
Team Stefan
Posts: 1,739
|
Post by shoe20 on May 21, 2014 18:32:17 GMT -5
True, but just because it's not a perm death doesn't mean it's not huge. Writers will make sure it's going to be a huge storyline of s6, maybe the biggest. Either the big storyline will be how to get them back, or what happens to Damon on his return (maybe both). Unfortunately, I don't see a positive return for Bonnie. I don't think you should take the lack of shock and discussion about Damon's death to mean that fans don't think it's huge. Every fan knows it's a huge moment in TVD. However, like dman said...people aren't as prone to obsess over it because we all know he is coming back. Also, fans had been predicting Damon's death for weeks leading up to the finale. So when it finally did happen, the shock value was gone. True, I had my T-Shirts of Katherine holding the "Welcome to Hell" sign printed two weeks ago.....then Bonnie has to take his hand and mess up a big money maker. lol Funny it's the first finale that someone got screwed more than Stefan....of course they killed Stefan the week before...there's that. =)
|
|
|
Post by debbie on May 21, 2014 18:59:21 GMT -5
I don't think you should take the lack of shock and discussion about Damon's death to mean that fans don't think it's huge. Every fan knows it's a huge moment in TVD. However, like dman said...people aren't as prone to obsess over it because we all know he is coming back. Also, fans had been predicting Damon's death for weeks leading up to the finale. So when it finally did happen, the shock value was gone. True, I had my T-Shirts of Katherine holding the "Welcome to Hell" sign printed two weeks ago.....then Bonnie has to take his hand and mess up a big money maker. lol Funny it's the first finale that someone got screwed more than Stefan....of course they killed Stefan the week before...there's that. =) Too bad I would have paid good money to see the famous shirt
|
|
|
Post by debbie on May 21, 2014 19:06:49 GMT -5
True, but just because it's not a perm death doesn't mean it's not huge. Writers will make sure it's going to be a huge storyline of s6, maybe the biggest. Either the big storyline will be how to get them back, or what happens to Damon on his return (maybe both). Unfortunately, I don't see a positive return for Bonnie. I don't think you should take the lack of shock and discussion about Damon's death to mean that fans don't think it's huge. Every fan knows it's a huge moment in TVD. However, like dman said...people aren't as prone to obsess over it because we all know he is coming back. Also, fans had been predicting Damon's death for weeks leading up to the finale. So when it finally did happen, the shock value was gone. That's a really good point-but I have to wonder, did fans really know? With Bonnie, I don't think there was one fan who didn't at least suspect when we heard 3 permanent deaths. But with Damon, lots of fans speculated, but did they really think the writers would go through with it? When i was watching the episode, and the scene came on where Damon was touching Bonnie but not getting through, even then I wondered if the episode would turn around, let Damon through after all and then have a different major disaster. Cause to be honest, it was one of, if not the, biggest thing tvd ever did and it could either really good-or really bad. It's a show that relies on 3 main characters and their interaction with eachother and their gang..without that, even for a few episodes, who knows what will happen.
|
|
|
Post by debbie on May 21, 2014 19:08:26 GMT -5
True, I had my T-Shirts of Katherine holding the "Welcome to Hell" sign printed two weeks ago.....then Bonnie has to take his hand and mess up a big money maker. lol Funny it's the first finale that someone got screwed more than Stefan....of course they killed Stefan the week before...there's that. =) Too bad I would have paid good money to see the famous shirt And actually, not sure if you're right on that-Stefan got screwed in the worst way-his brother and best friend died permeantly, can you be screwed any worse?
|
|