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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 14:25:13 GMT -5
@seiwriter jennifer crimmyjI had a hard time choosing between Mikael and Esther tbh. They are like partners in crime. of course in those days times were harsh and so was the upbringing in general, so our Originals aren't that unusual, but still. I had also considered taking Damon into the poll and the Ripper!!! But then I didn't want to add them to the poll for obvious reasons. Damon and Ripper were both villains in early seasons, so adding them would have been understandable. At least that's my point of view. What's interesting about Mikael is that TO started to show him as a victim just as much as a villain. After it was suggested that Mikael might have been broken by his own father or someone else in his life before he had children, a new dimension was added to Mikael's character. It's hard for me to see Mikael and Esther as partners in crime until it actually happens. For all I know, Esther made Alaric a super-vampire-hunter, rather than simply resurrecting Mikael, because Mikael would have a personal axe to grind with her. She did turn Mikael into a blood-sucking fiend, even if he does only drink vampire blood. Mikael is now doomed to live on blood and hunt his children. In Season 2 of TO, Davina is supposedly going to explore further what drives Mikael. It would be cool if in the end of their time together, they end up in a different place emotionally, as if they somehow both hurt and helped each other. Marcel convinced himself and Davina that he loved Davina as a daughter even though he really just wanted to use her, but Davina has the upper hand with Mikael and both of these characters are emotionally broken and stuck in an attic together. They're probably going to be in each other's heads for months by the time Season 2 starts. If I had to choose between Mikael and Esther on the subject of the biggest villain, I would choose Esther. She made herself become a very dark witch by destroying her family the way she did, and with every new act against her children she brings herself closer to the deep void that Katherine got sucked into. I decided after long contemplation not to take them into the poll, because they are the protagonists of the series. About the partners in crime, sometimes I do not express my thoughts clearly enough, I meant they are both bad eggs, not accomplices. But you are right about the info given to us in TO. I hadn't taken that into consideration in my comments. Personally i have voted for Esther.
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2014 14:55:12 GMT -5
Call me insane but I don't get the Esther is the ultimate baddie hate. Sure she wants to murder her children, but her rational isn't totally evil troll logic. She put forth a plague of vampyrism on this world that has wrought all kinds of death and destruction. All she wants to do is right her wrong. She should have never created what they became, and they should have died their natural deaths centuries ago. Don't get me wrong, I don't want that to happen because YAY ORIGINALS! But her reasoning behind her motives isn't pure evil. Think of her as the mother of serial killers. Would it make Ted Bundy's mom the embodiment of evil if she wished she could go back in time and smother little Ted before he had the chance to murder innocent women? Just food for thought. Advocatus Diaboli well she did have a few other skeletons in her closet... cheated on her husband, our precious Mikael, then when her cheating was outed with Klaus werewolf side outed via his first kill she turned her back on him, excuse me...she was the one that slept with a werewolf, not Klaus!!! She created this whole vampire mess in the first place ...remember Brianna telling her about "The makings of a plague" On a sidenote a good thing she did otherwise we wouldn't have our TVD and TO Correction: the witch friend was called Ayana! Then she turned our dear ALARIC crazy messing with his head each time he was dead. And turned him into an ultimate vampire hunting vampire like Mikael. Don't remember any other details right now, but I am presently watching season 3. Who knows if killing her children is her only agenda now in New Orleans, who knows ...she 's like Mrs. Goebbels who killed her 6 children in cold blood when she realized the German govt of 1933-45 failed and witnessed the downfall of the regime. Don't get me wrong...I will forever want to kick Esther in her lady parts for what she did to Alaric. And for that I almost want to change my vote, you almost won me over to the Esther is the biggest villain side, but I still am holding true to Klaus merely because his success rate of his villainy is better than Esther. And Klaus's very existence is what is pushing Esther more and more to the dark side as time goes on. So for that I give him points. Klaus' moments of true darkness make me lean back of go....DAMN, that's cold. I don't have that fear of Esther. If Mikael and Esther teamed up though...hmmm
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 15:49:56 GMT -5
well she did have a few other skeletons in her closet... cheated on her husband, our precious Mikael, then when her cheating was outed with Klaus werewolf side outed via his first kill she turned her back on him, excuse me...she was the one that slept with a werewolf, not Klaus!!! She created this whole vampire mess in the first place ...remember Brianna telling her about "The makings of a plague" On a sidenote a good thing she did otherwise we wouldn't have our TVD and TO Correction: the witch friend was called Ayana! Then she turned our dear ALARIC crazy messing with his head each time he was dead. And turned him into an ultimate vampire hunting vampire like Mikael. Don't remember any other details right now, but I am presently watching season 3. Who knows if killing her children is her only agenda now in New Orleans, who knows ...she 's like Mrs. Goebbels who killed her 6 children in cold blood when she realized the German govt of 1933-45 failed and witnessed the downfall of the regime. Don't get me wrong...I will forever want to kick Esther in her lady parts for what she did to Alaric. And for that I almost want to change my vote, you almost won me over to the Esther is the biggest villain side, but I still am holding true to Klaus merely because his success rate of his villainy is better than Esther. And Klaus's very existence is what is pushing Esther more and more to the dark side as time goes on. So for that I give him points. Klaus' moments of true darkness make me lean back of go....DAMN, that's cold. I don't have that fear of Esther. If Mikael and Esther teamed up though...hmmm I get what you mean, i really get it crimmyj ...the problem with me seeing Klaus as a villain, is that I have seen to much of his vulnerability and some very good moments meanwhile, I can at times identify with him, moreover he is one of the protagonists on TO meanwhile. Believe me...I have hated Klaus with a passion for two seasons, no for three, but in the end my resistance crumbled ... And Klaus's very existence is what is pushing Esther more and more to the dark side as time goes on.
that is a fascinating sentence and so true. spot on I might say
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2014 16:05:06 GMT -5
Oh I am right there with ya on Klaus, moshe12 ...I love the hell out of his character. How I feel about Spike's overall arc in BtVS/AtS is how I feel Klaus is going down. His path to redemption is by far the most riveting. Plus you can feel the love and care the writers have for this character and the fact they are writing for someone like Joseph Morgan who is KILLING IT, every week. I would watch him mow a lawn and feel moved emotionally, he has got it. But make no mistake about his twisted path of atonement, the guy is a badass villain. And it's a long hard road out of Hell.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 16:23:51 GMT -5
Oh I am right there with ya on Klaus, moshe12 ...I love the hell out of his character. How I feel about Spike's overall arc in BtVS/AtS is how I feel Klaus is going down. His path to redemption is by far the most riveting. Plus you can feel the love and care the writers have for this character and the fact they are writing for someone like Joseph Morgan who is KILLING IT, every week. I would watch him mow a lawn and feel moved emotionally, he has got it. But make no mistake about his twisted path of atonement, the guy is a badass villain. And it's a long hard road out of Hell. JoMos portrayal of Klaus is the best on TVD and TO imho. He absolutely nails it. HE is one crazily talented actor. I love Klaus and I love to hate him as well. Does that make any sense at all He is a psycho/sociopath and a real bad bad badass. lol William the Bloody aka Spike is my favourite villain in Buffy, may fav vamp and I just love that guy. He is an icon.
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Post by debbie on May 28, 2014 16:38:50 GMT -5
Forgive me ... I was very excited because it was a first poll I have created and so I completely must have forgotten him and then I had to think and remember all the villains of the last seasons ...oh well I just suppose this year really didn't stick that well But I had alot of fun doing it Your poll is great. You included villains that I didn't even think of. I didn't buy Wes as a villain because he was so ineffective and, like Caroline Dries said in an interview, vampires are supposed to be considered evil in the supernatural genre. It just so happens that right now, people enjoy shows where vampires are made out to be the good guys. Wes was put on the show to sort of add a new perspective, and Elena agreeing with Grayson Gilbert's desire to use vampires to save human lives sort of made me look at Augustine as something multifaceted. Something could have been done with Augustine if it had been run by someone who didn't want to torture vampires. The problem was, the writers didn't go in that direction. Instead, a backstory was devised that put Delena in the center of everything again, along with making Damon's character go backwards, something that a lot of fans did not like. After that huge mistake was made, killing Damon off was probably the most logical way to solve the problem. We don't know if he'll be coming back as anything but a ghost, and after Season 6, he could come back as a traveler and be played by a different actor for what JP indicated might be the show's final season. I think that what happened this season was that Julie Plec was spread thin with two new shows and she didn't have enough time to give TVD the proper oversight. I'm pretty sure that the final arc, the best part of the season after a long season that everyone hated, was dreamed up as a way to fix the problems created by her lack of focus. By the time the final arc was being written and filmed, I believe The Tomorrow People was done filming and not yet renewed, so JP had time to focus on TVD for a while and possibly solve some problems with TO as well. I noticed that both shows improved dramatically in their respective final arcs. Everything before that, on TO especially, was difficult to watch. I love your post, I think you have it almost right on. I always thought the Augustine storyline was underdeveloped! Not that I think Augustine wasn't disgusting and completely evil including Elena's father...not because they were researching vamps to heal humans, I respect that, but because anybody that is willing to torture an entire species without trial, without knowing the individual is evil is wrong (as we know, not all vampires are evil). So for me, it's hard to see that they have a point, but mAybe the world would be a better place without vamps, a world that favoured humans. However, if Augustine was not using torture, it would have been a very different story, would Wes be a hero instead of associated with evil? Also I agree, Augustine was used simply as a plot devise for delena issues which I hated, cause like I said, it would have been a great story if written properly . One of the best examples of a great idea, poorly developed.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 17:52:32 GMT -5
Call me insane but I don't get the Esther is the ultimate baddie hate. Sure she wants to murder her children, but her rational isn't totally evil troll logic. She put forth a plague of vampyrism on this world that has wrought all kinds of death and destruction. All she wants to do is right her wrong. She should have never created what they became, and they should have died their natural deaths centuries ago. Don't get me wrong, I don't want that to happen because YAY ORIGINALS! But her reasoning behind her motives isn't pure evil. Think of her as the mother of serial killers. Would it make Ted Bundy's mom the embodiment of evil if she wished she could go back in time and smother little Ted before he had the chance to murder innocent women? Just food for thought. Advocatus Diaboli I see your point, but a normal mother would never do that to her children; even if they were serial killers. That's just not the way mothers are. So by the fact that she IS willing to murder her children tells me that she's capable of the greatest evil, and that makes her a true villain in my book.
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2014 18:07:32 GMT -5
Call me insane but I don't get the Esther is the ultimate baddie hate. Sure she wants to murder her children, but her rational isn't totally evil troll logic. She put forth a plague of vampyrism on this world that has wrought all kinds of death and destruction. All she wants to do is right her wrong. She should have never created what they became, and they should have died their natural deaths centuries ago. Don't get me wrong, I don't want that to happen because YAY ORIGINALS! But her reasoning behind her motives isn't pure evil. Think of her as the mother of serial killers. Would it make Ted Bundy's mom the embodiment of evil if she wished she could go back in time and smother little Ted before he had the chance to murder innocent women? Just food for thought. Advocatus Diaboli I see your point, but a normal mother would never do that to her children; even if they were serial killers. That's just not the way mothers are. So by the fact that sh IS willing to murder her children tells me that she's capable of the greatest evil, and that makes her a true villain in my book. Let's face it, That entire Michaelson family is issues. Lets not even begin to tinker with the notion that Finn and Esther's relationship seems creepily incestuous. Oh, sorry I just did.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 18:45:56 GMT -5
I see your point, but a normal mother would never do that to her children; even if they were serial killers. That's just not the way mothers are. So by the fact that sh IS willing to murder her children tells me that she's capable of the greatest evil, and that makes her a true villain in my book. Let's face it, That entire Michaelson family is issues. Lets not even begin to tinker with the notion that Finn and Esther's relationship seems creepily incestuous. Oh, sorry I just did. Incest is a strong word, and I don't like people using it unless it's warranted. Yes, their relationship is beyond weird, but it's not incestuous. There is a difference. Finn is just a pathetic mamas boy who's been indoctrinated by Esther and hates his existence. The lengths he'll go to help her murder his own family speaks to how sad and delusional a character he is. In a way I was kinda sad that Klaus kept him in a coffin for 900 years, but after seeing what he's capable of, I don't feel that way anymore. Those two deserve each other. They say every family has issues, but the Mikaelson family: yikes!!!!! They make those bickering crazies on Jerry Springer look like the Osmonds. Trying to kill each other: check! A mountain load of trust issues: check! Weird co-dependence: check! Body counts that would make every serial killer get a hard-on: check! (lol) Monsters for parents: check, check check!!!!!!! So yeah, not exactly the family you would see adorning hallmark Christmas cards, but boy are they fun to watch!
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2014 19:08:16 GMT -5
Let's face it, That entire Michaelson family is issues. Lets not even begin to tinker with the notion that Finn and Esther's relationship seems creepily incestuous. Oh, sorry I just did. Incest is a strong word, and I don't like people using it unless it's warranted. Yes, their relationship is beyond weird, but it's not incestuous. There is a difference. Finn is just a pathetic mamas boy who's been indoctrinated by Esther and hates his existence. The lengths he'll go to help her murder his own family speaks to how sad and delusional a character he is. In a way I was kinda sad that Klaus kept him in a coffin for 900 years, but after seeing what he's capable of, I don't feel that way anymore. Those two deserve each other. They say every family has issues, but the Mikaelson family: yikes!!!!! They make those bickering crazies on Jerry Springer look like the Osmonds. Trying to kill each other: check! A mountain load of trust issues: check! Weird co-dependence: check! Body counts that would make every serial killer get a hard-on: check! (lol) Monsters for parents: check, check check!!!!!!! So yeah, not exactly the family you would see adorning hallmark Christmas cards, but boy are they fun to watch! Sure I was projecting as I have no idea what Finn and Esther do in their free time. Just an annoying habit of mine to psychoanalyze fictional relationships especially one such as theirs. Siggy Freud, Oedipal complex and all that jazz. Mikaelson Family Christmas cards. Mikaelson family summer vacays. Mikaelson family home movies. Count me in for all of that. Man, I thought TO Season 1 was filled awesome, but bringing in MROE Mikaelsons for season 2. Be still my viking heart. Considering how Esther wants to rid the world of her abominations and Markos was all about ridding the world of witch magic as it is an abomination of nature, is it weird I want to ship them. Yeah I get Esther stand for things Markos hates, but there has to be something to overcome/conflict to make their ship interesting. Yes, I'm joking...but cmon who can't love Mesther? Eskos?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 19:21:23 GMT -5
Incest is a strong word, and I don't like people using it unless it's warranted. Yes, their relationship is beyond weird, but it's not incestuous. There is a difference. Finn is just a pathetic mamas boy who's been indoctrinated by Esther and hates his existence. The lengths he'll go to help her murder his own family speaks to how sad and delusional a character he is. In a way I was kinda sad that Klaus kept him in a coffin for 900 years, but after seeing what he's capable of, I don't feel that way anymore. Those two deserve each other. They say every family has issues, but the Mikaelson family: yikes!!!!! They make those bickering crazies on Jerry Springer look like the Osmonds. Trying to kill each other: check! A mountain load of trust issues: check! Weird co-dependence: check! Body counts that would make every serial killer get a hard-on: check! (lol) Monsters for parents: check, check check!!!!!!! So yeah, not exactly the family you would see adorning hallmark Christmas cards, but boy are they fun to watch! Sure I was projecting as I have no idea what Finn and Esther do in their free time. Just an annoying habit of mine to psychoanalyze fictional relationships especially one such as theirs. Siggy Freud, Oedipal complex and all that jazz. Mikaelson Family Christmas cards. Mikaelson family summer vacays. Mikaelson family home movies. Count me in for all of that. Man, I thought TO Season 1 was filled awesome, but bringing in MROE Mikaelsons for season 2. Be still my viking heart. Considering how Esther wants to rid the world of her abominations and Markos was all about ridding the world of witch magic as it is an abomination of nature, is it weird I want to ship them. Yeah I get Esther stand for things Markos hates, but there has to be something to overcome/conflict to make their ship interesting. Yes, I'm joking...but cmon who can't love Mesther? Eskos? Um... no. I think I'll pass on the Esther Markos pairing. I want someone better for my guy, and high b*** Esther just doesn't cut it. The whole trying to kill your own family bit is kind of a turnoff. lol BTW, do you always have to ship everyone? I mean.... you do it an awful lot. Obsessed with ships much, crimmy? Also, "viking heart?" Are you by anyway Scandinavian?
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2014 19:48:37 GMT -5
Sure I was projecting as I have no idea what Finn and Esther do in their free time. Just an annoying habit of mine to psychoanalyze fictional relationships especially one such as theirs. Siggy Freud, Oedipal complex and all that jazz. Mikaelson Family Christmas cards. Mikaelson family summer vacays. Mikaelson family home movies. Count me in for all of that. Man, I thought TO Season 1 was filled awesome, but bringing in MROE Mikaelsons for season 2. Be still my viking heart. Considering how Esther wants to rid the world of her abominations and Markos was all about ridding the world of witch magic as it is an abomination of nature, is it weird I want to ship them. Yeah I get Esther stand for things Markos hates, but there has to be something to overcome/conflict to make their ship interesting. Yes, I'm joking...but cmon who can't love Mesther? Eskos? Um... no. I think I'll pass on the Esther Markos pairing. I want someone better for my guy, and high b*** Esther just doesn't cut it. The whole trying to kill your own family bit is kind of a turnoff. lol BTW, do you always have to ship everyone? I mean.... you do it an awful lot. Obsessed with ships much, crimmy? Also, "viking heart?" Are you by anyway Scandinavian? Oh my obsession with ships is one of my favorite things to joke about! I don't know when in television viewership that it happened, I mean even when I was a little kid sure there were fictional characters you rooted for, but now pop culture is overflowing with this need to "ship" things and give them cute names. I think its hysterical, so I love to play around with it. Like I am mocking it in the most loving well intended way possible. I will try to keep it under control, but some wild horses can't be tamed, dman. As for my viking roots, this is something I actually just recently found out about. tl,dr version of my story...Recently reconnected with the paternal branches of my family tree (had no contact since I was 2) and a lot of questions got answered. Apparently a lot of my people come from Sweden and Denmark on that side. Been a weird month in my life!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 9:23:36 GMT -5
Incest is a strong word, and I don't like people using it unless it's warranted. Yes, their relationship is beyond weird, but it's not incestuous. There is a difference. Finn is just a pathetic mamas boy who's been indoctrinated by Esther and hates his existence. The lengths he'll go to help her murder his own family speaks to how sad and delusional a character he is. In a way I was kinda sad that Klaus kept him in a coffin for 900 years, but after seeing what he's capable of, I don't feel that way anymore. Those two deserve each other. They say every family has issues, but the Mikaelson family: yikes!!!!! They make those bickering crazies on Jerry Springer look like the Osmonds. Trying to kill each other: check! A mountain load of trust issues: check! Weird co-dependence: check! Body counts that would make every serial killer get a hard-on: check! (lol) Monsters for parents: check, check check!!!!!!! So yeah, not exactly the family you would see adorning hallmark Christmas cards, but boy are they fun to watch! Sure I was projecting as I have no idea what Finn and Esther do in their free time. Just an annoying habit of mine to psychoanalyze fictional relationships especially one such as theirs. Siggy Freud, Oedipal complex and all that jazz. Mikaelson Family Christmas cards. Mikaelson family summer vacays. Mikaelson family home movies. Count me in for all of that. Man, I thought TO Season 1 was filled awesome, but bringing in MROE Mikaelsons for season 2. Be still my viking heart. Considering how Esther wants to rid the world of her abominations and Markos was all about ridding the world of witch magic as it is an abomination of nature, is it weird I want to ship them. Yeah I get Esther stand for things Markos hates, but there has to be something to overcome/conflict to make their ship interesting. Yes, I'm joking...but cmon who can't love Mesther? Eskos? One thing I would love to see is as many Mikaelsons as possible in family therapy. That would be both fascinating and hilarious. An entire season or more could be built on the secrets and many betrayals that would come to light. I have a theory about Esther. I think she might have been a traveler who abandoned the old ways to practice spirit magic, and because of that she received power from every spirit on the Other Side rather than just her ancestors. Maybe she was called The Original Witch because she was the first traveler, maybe even from Markos' tribe, to settle somewhere alone with a human and practice witch magic while she raised a family of witches. She still thinks nothing of taking other people's bodies to resurrect herself, which screams traveler to me. As far as Esther's need to kill her children to right a wrong that she committed, killing her children is just another morally wrong thing to do. I think Esther is too dark and corrupt spiritually to understand that some things can't be undone without causing more harm that will get Esther tossed into a dark dimension forever. By warning Elijah that Esther was trying to kill her children, Elena might have done Esther a favor. I don't think Finn should have been brought back. It's already been established what he is and what he's capable of. It seems like a repeat of past events on TVD to even have him following Esther around. I usually don't ship as a rule, but if I did, I'd rather see Esther die permanently and Mikael find love with someone else. If Klaus can be redeemed, Mikael probably can be too, but it would take a lot of faith and time before either of them could find actual redemption. Klaus seems to be taking steps, but he also keeps relapsing back into his serial killer ways. I received a couple of messages that my posts were too much in a block format, and I was asked to create more spaces between ideas. Is this alright? Shoot me a private message if you still have trouble understanding me.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 10:12:29 GMT -5
Sure I was projecting as I have no idea what Finn and Esther do in their free time. Just an annoying habit of mine to psychoanalyze fictional relationships especially one such as theirs. Siggy Freud, Oedipal complex and all that jazz. Mikaelson Family Christmas cards. Mikaelson family summer vacays. Mikaelson family home movies. Count me in for all of that. Man, I thought TO Season 1 was filled awesome, but bringing in MROE Mikaelsons for season 2. Be still my viking heart. Considering how Esther wants to rid the world of her abominations and Markos was all about ridding the world of witch magic as it is an abomination of nature, is it weird I want to ship them. Yeah I get Esther stand for things Markos hates, but there has to be something to overcome/conflict to make their ship interesting. Yes, I'm joking...but cmon who can't love Mesther? Eskos? One thing I would love to see is as many Mikaelsons as possible in family therapy. That would be both fascinating and hilarious. An entire season or more could be built on the secrets and many betrayals that would come to light. I have a theory about Esther. I think she might have been a traveler who abandoned the old ways to practice spirit magic, and because of that she received power from every spirit on the Other Side rather than just her ancestors. Maybe she was called The Original Witch because she was the first traveler, maybe even from Markos' tribe, to settle somewhere alone with a human and practice witch magic while she raised a family of witches. She still thinks nothing of taking other people's bodies to resurrect herself, which screams traveler to me. As far as Esther's need to kill her children to right a wrong that she committed, killing her children is just another morally wrong thing to do. I think Esther is too dark and corrupt spiritually to understand that some things can't be undone without causing more harm that will get Esther tossed into a dark dimension forever. By warning Elijah that Esther was trying to kill her children, Elena might have done Esther a favor. I don't think Finn should have been brought back. It's already been established what he is and what he's capable of. It seems like a repeat of past events on TVD to even have him following Esther around. I usually don't ship as a rule, but if I did, I'd rather see Esther die permanently and Mikael find love with someone else. If Klaus can be redeemed, Mikael probably can be too, but it would take a lot of faith and time before either of them could find actual redemption. Klaus seems to be taking steps, but he also keeps relapsing back into his serial killer ways. I received a couple of messages that my posts were too much in a block format, and I was asked to create more spaces between ideas. Is this alright? Shoot me a private message if you still have trouble understanding me. I just remembered something from season 2 ... even Klaus was able to slip into another body, he took over Alaric'S body...and didn't Elijah say that that was Klaus specialty ?
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Post by crimmyj on May 29, 2014 11:12:10 GMT -5
Sure I was projecting as I have no idea what Finn and Esther do in their free time. Just an annoying habit of mine to psychoanalyze fictional relationships especially one such as theirs. Siggy Freud, Oedipal complex and all that jazz. Mikaelson Family Christmas cards. Mikaelson family summer vacays. Mikaelson family home movies. Count me in for all of that. Man, I thought TO Season 1 was filled awesome, but bringing in MROE Mikaelsons for season 2. Be still my viking heart. Considering how Esther wants to rid the world of her abominations and Markos was all about ridding the world of witch magic as it is an abomination of nature, is it weird I want to ship them. Yeah I get Esther stand for things Markos hates, but there has to be something to overcome/conflict to make their ship interesting. Yes, I'm joking...but cmon who can't love Mesther? Eskos? One thing I would love to see is as many Mikaelsons as possible in family therapy. That would be both fascinating and hilarious. An entire season or more could be built on the secrets and many betrayals that would come to light. I have a theory about Esther. I think she might have been a traveler who abandoned the old ways to practice spirit magic, and because of that she received power from every spirit on the Other Side rather than just her ancestors. Maybe she was called The Original Witch because she was the first traveler, maybe even from Markos' tribe, to settle somewhere alone with a human and practice witch magic while she raised a family of witches. She still thinks nothing of taking other people's bodies to resurrect herself, which screams traveler to me. As far as Esther's need to kill her children to right a wrong that she committed, killing her children is just another morally wrong thing to do. I think Esther is too dark and corrupt spiritually to understand that some things can't be undone without causing more harm that will get Esther tossed into a dark dimension forever. By warning Elijah that Esther was trying to kill her children, Elena might have done Esther a favor. I don't think Finn should have been brought back. It's already been established what he is and what he's capable of. It seems like a repeat of past events on TVD to even have him following Esther around.I usually don't ship as a rule, but if I did, I'd rather see Esther die permanently and Mikael find love with someone else. If Klaus can be redeemed, Mikael probably can be too, but it would take a lot of faith and time before either of them could find actual redemption. Klaus seems to be taking steps, but he also keeps relapsing back into his serial killer ways. I received a couple of messages that my posts were too much in a block format, and I was asked to create more spaces between ideas. Is this alright? Shoot me a private message if you still have trouble understanding me. Yeah, why bring Finn back? Just to be Esther's lackey...*yawn* boring! He is just a useless character, underdeveloped, and I can see why Klaus boxed him for so long.
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