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Post by damonsgirl on Nov 27, 2013 11:36:43 GMT -5
OK my thoughts are still Katherine was meant to be the new anchor so Tessa could kill amara after she got her revenge. Bonnie asked about Katherine. Tessa does not do anything unless it suits her. The travelers were keeping an eye on amara were going to kill silus and Katherine. As for Damon I might want to open this in debates. I am wondering if they are going to show us hardship as for some reasoning for his behavior. Fandoms will go opposite ways se nothing excuses his behavior or see he has been through so much what do you expect. However the death of Elena's parents which no one would fault him for he did not know her except for that one meeting but to then keep it from her yikes or the writers will make us think its him and it will be hard on de but then they will get through it when she believes in him (gag me. ) I think it is supposed to give a valid reason as to why he turned his humanity off though. From what I have seen elsewhere there are some pretty awful pics of hardcore torture.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 27, 2013 12:02:35 GMT -5
If Damon was so helpless against Jesse's attack.....How in the world did Doc Wes survive Jesse's first feeding?? With a newby vamp "first are the worst." Yet a mere PHD is tougher that BF Damon with 160yrs experience. Hard to buy. I still want to know where Elena's defense of Damon was, when Caroline cut loose on her 4 times! On the writing room floor along with everyones thanks to Damon for bringing Bonnie back Funny damonsgirl......I also like you sliding power blood scale....very inventive. lol I would never fault Damon's effort to make DE work, he's giving a lot of himself to make it successful........I'm curious how much of an effort you feel Elena is making? Cause I'm not seeing much....never though I would say it but Damon deserves better effort from Elena. Stefan has moved on.....it's Elena that has the problem. lol
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Post by damonsgirl on Nov 27, 2013 12:35:08 GMT -5
On the writing room floor along with everyones thanks to Damon for bringing Bonnie back Funny damonsgirl......I also like you sliding power blood scale....very inventive. lol I would never fault Damon's effort to make DE work, he's giving a lot of himself to make it successful........I'm curious how much of an effort you feel Elena is making? Cause I'm not seeing much....never though I would say it but Damon deserves better effort from Elena. Stefan has moved on.....it's Elena that has the problem. lol Yes Elena has been very pre occupied hasn't she in recent times, but I think she will be focused on Damon in the near future so we will see. I expect loads more DE angst and drama before the end of the season. I hope the writing becomes more consistent though because I feel it has been all over the place at times, with quite a few characters. If not I can always hone my inventiveness lol.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 27, 2013 13:34:23 GMT -5
Funny damonsgirl......I also like you sliding power blood scale....very inventive. lol I would never fault Damon's effort to make DE work, he's giving a lot of himself to make it successful........I'm curious how much of an effort you feel Elena is making? Cause I'm not seeing much....never though I would say it but Damon deserves better effort from Elena. Stefan has moved on.....it's Elena that has the problem. lol Yes Elena has been very pre occupied hasn't she in recent times, but I think she will be focused on Damon in the near future so we will see. I expect loads more DE angst and drama before the end of the season. I hope the writing becomes more consistent though because I feel it has been all over the place at times, with quite a few characters. If not I can always hone my inventiveness lol.
I wish you lot of luck, for what we both know is coming......I do sympathize with you on the poor writing of the love story you ship....also the next ep what emotion are they going to draw them back together?.......pity....for poor Damon's past and torture. Not deep and growing love...it just keeps coming. I try to take it easy on you and Anna, cause your family, but the writers are making DE's romance an easy target for those that oppose it. I've taken a different direction...Damon and Vampelena belong together at this point in the SL.....as much as I shipped SE when Elena was human...and as much as I ship Stefan now....there is no way I want to see them together now. seriously!!! not blowing smoke
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Post by deb on Nov 27, 2013 18:54:11 GMT -5
Yes Elena has been very pre occupied hasn't she in recent times, but I think she will be focused on Damon in the near future so we will see. I expect loads more DE angst and drama before the end of the season. I hope the writing becomes more consistent though because I feel it has been all over the place at times, with quite a few characters. If not I can always hone my inventiveness lol.
damonsgirl, have you seen the new Ian video? What do you think about it? Are DE going to break up or is Ian giving us misleading information, like he did before? I don't know what to think and I'd really like to hear a Damon's fan opinion about it
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Post by damonsgirl on Nov 27, 2013 19:39:36 GMT -5
@shoe, I ship Damon with whoever makes him happy and/or whoever he wants, DE is and has always been a side issue to me, but I do prefer DE to SE, but I am a Damon fan first. The writing for the DE love story was completely flawless IMO throughout all the seasons. It was written with love care and attention with a slow build and a gradual ratching up of the tension. The writers dropped the ball when they began S5 with a 3 month time jump, during that time we are left to surmise and fanwank what happened during that time. This time jump also affected other characters too. We never got to see Elena and Jeremy bond after he came back from the dead or any of the family dynamic in the Salvatore house with DE and Jer living there as a family so therefore as fans we have less emotional investment in their storyline. The flashbacks of the Summer were not informative really or plot driven, they were all superficial, for every character. Too many emotional loose ends were left unresolved, we never got to hear from Elena how the sire bond affected her or how loosing her humanity changed her outlook on her vampirism. In fact I think overall as viewers we are rarely given an insight into her POV or her innermost thoughts, which is why a lot of her actions and dialogue are furiously debated, she is written very ambiguously, as is Caroline. Nobody talks anymore unless it is exposition of the current crisis or formulating the next EPIC plan failure. There is no need to sympathise with me because the poor writing has affected most characters at one time or another but I still watch because despite everything I said, I am still entertained. I'm just a little disappointed in the quality of the storytelling and characterization that's all. Hopefully this will change as the season progresess and the new writing team bed in. So, about DE. I don't know what you mean when you say "draw them back together", the last DE scene showed us Elena stake Jesse to save Damon. They are not at odds at the moment, they had a lovey dovey phone moment earlier in the Ep too so I don't understand this pity thing you are speculating about in the future. The DE angst has been created because of Elenas guilt and pity for Stefan and his suffering. I think Elena will feel pity for Damon, at least I hope so, because the spoilers indicate that what he went through was pretty horrific, but I don't think that is what their future relationship will be based on at all. Just one more thing, If you think you are easy on Anna and I, I dread to think what you would be like with non-family members, lol. You are like a dog with a bone but I like that about you, you are fun to post with ::Love_smiley(1)::
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 27, 2013 19:48:09 GMT -5
OK my thoughts are still Katherine was meant to be the new anchor so Tessa could kill amara after she got her revenge. Bonnie asked about Katherine. Tessa does not do anything unless it suits her. The travelers were keeping an eye on amara were going to kill silus and Katherine. As for Damon I might want to open this in debates. I am wondering if they are going to show us hardship as for some reasoning for his behavior. Fandoms will go opposite ways se nothing excuses his behavior or see he has been through so much what do you expect. However the death of Elena's parents which no one would fault him for he did not know her except for that one meeting but to then keep it from her yikes or the writers will make us think its him and it will be hard on de but then they will get through it when she believes in him (gag me. ) I think it is supposed to give a valid reason as to why he turned his humanity off though. From what I have seen elsewhere there are some pretty awful pics of hardcore torture. Right so he was tortured and he turned his humanity off for this period of time which makes sense. He often says this is the benefit of being a vampire you get to turn you humanity off perhaps this is why the writers have him say it a lot because he has a history of doing this. How ever Rebekah tortured him pretty bad he did not react too strongly often if Damon had such a strong history of torture they would have ptsd reactions to getting tortured again so the writers messed up there or added this storyline recently. They may have just added this since damon was going to be the one that was going to take the cure.
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Post by damonsgirl on Nov 27, 2013 19:58:22 GMT -5
Yes Elena has been very pre occupied hasn't she in recent times, but I think she will be focused on Damon in the near future so we will see. I expect loads more DE angst and drama before the end of the season. I hope the writing becomes more consistent though because I feel it has been all over the place at times, with quite a few characters. If not I can always hone my inventiveness lol.
damonsgirl, have you seen the new Ian video? What do you think about it? Are DE going to break up or is Ian giving us misleading information, like he did before? I don't know what to think and I'd really like to hear a Damon's fan opinion about it Yes I have of course, lol. TBH, Ian looked a bit weary. I think he has lost track of the past storyline because he talked about Damon being compelled to love Kat when we all know that it was Stefan who was compelled. My take is that He doesn't really know that much plot in advance, maybe 3-4 eps ahead. I think there is definitely a huge roadblock coming soon for DE, Caroline foreshadowed this in her recent outburst to Elena so I think he is telling the truth when he says relationships are difficult in MF and nobody is happy for long. They wrapped the 100th EP a couple of weeks back and that is 5x11 ad we have seen 5x08 so 3-4 eps ahead in filming give or take? I think we are going to see a dramatic revelation concerning Damon and his connection to Elena from the past, probably through Grayson and this will cause a DE break up or severe blow to their relationship. My gut feeling is that whatever it is, it will be temporary and something else for there relationship to overcome. What do you think Debs?
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 27, 2013 20:27:31 GMT -5
damonsgirl, have you seen the new Ian video? What do you think about it? Are DE going to break up or is Ian giving us misleading information, like he did before? I don't know what to think and I'd really like to hear a Damon's fan opinion about it Yes I have of course, lol. TBH, Ian looked a bit weary. I think he has lost track of the past storyline because he talked about Damon being compelled to love Kat when we all know that it was Stefan who was compelled. My take is that He doesn't really know that much plot in advance, maybe 3-4 eps ahead. I think there is definitely a huge roadblock coming soon for DE, Caroline foreshadowed this in her recent outburst to Elena so I think he is telling the truth when he says relationships are difficult in MF and nobody is happy for long. They wrapped the 100th EP a couple of weeks back and that is 5x11 ad we have seen 5x08 so 3-4 eps ahead in filming give or take? I think we are going to see a dramatic revelation concerning Damon and his connection to Elena from the past, probably through Grayson and this will cause a DE break up or severe blow to their relationship. My gut feeling is that whatever it is, it will be temporary and something else for there relationship to overcome. What do you think Debs?
Yes this is what I think is going to happen and I have read numerous DE posts that they want something like this because it gives angst to the relationship for them to overcome. So this maybe the fork in the road JP is headed because the triangle will continue for several more seasons. The vampire diaries is going strong.
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Post by damonsgirl on Nov 27, 2013 20:36:39 GMT -5
I think it is supposed to give a valid reason as to why he turned his humanity off though. From what I have seen elsewhere there are some pretty awful pics of hardcore torture. Right so he was tortured and he turned his humanity off for this period of time which makes sense. He often says this is the benefit of being a vampire you get to turn you humanity off perhaps this is why the writers have him say it a lot because he has a history of doing this. How ever Rebekah tortured him pretty bad he did not react too strongly often if Damon had such a strong history of torture they would have ptsd reactions to getting tortured again so the writers messed up there or added this storyline recently. They may have just added this since damon was going to be the one that was going to take the cure. From what we have seen in the past flashback Eps, Damon seemed to have his humanity in the ON position, 1864. 1912, 1944. When we catch up with him in New York in the 70's it is clearly off. H e is going around murdering on a whim without a care in the world and he is starting to draw attention to himself, enter Lexie. Lexie failed and so when we next see Damon in the Pilot he is still Damon sans humanity. So unless we are told differently I believe Damon turned off his humanity sometime in the 50's due to this torture and kept it off until sometime in S1 approx. 60 yrs, which fits with what he said this EP. He also told Jeremy in S1 finale that he had his humanity turned off for a very long time, and life was easier that way. So I think he flipped his switch once. Both Damon and Stefan have experienced torture in some shape or form throughout TVD, what triggers PTSD is personal to that individual, everyone has a different breaking point. My take is that nothing Damon experienced in his vamp life until this torture caused him to flip his switch. He lost his life, turned vamp, lost the girl he loved, lost his bro, was completely alone but this torture was his undoing, it was too much to bear so he turned it off. I have always loved how Damon has responded to torture in the past, even as horrific as it was. He never lost his spark or snark and took it with a degree of resignation, that he would most likely die. He was not scared of dying, ever. The torture he received in the 50's never ended in death, his captors never intended his death, he was toy to be kept alive and experimented on over again. Death probably would have been preferable to Damon at the time, but it never came. That is what has him scared right now IMO.
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Post by katvolley13 on Nov 27, 2013 20:54:18 GMT -5
Right so he was tortured and he turned his humanity off for this period of time which makes sense. He often says this is the benefit of being a vampire you get to turn you humanity off perhaps this is why the writers have him say it a lot because he has a history of doing this. How ever Rebekah tortured him pretty bad he did not react too strongly often if Damon had such a strong history of torture they would have ptsd reactions to getting tortured again so the writers messed up there or added this storyline recently. They may have just added this since damon was going to be the one that was going to take the cure. From what we have seen in the past flashback Eps, Damon seemed to have his humanity in the ON position, 1864. 1912, 1944. When we catch up with him in New York in the 70's it is clearly off. H e is going around murdering on a whim without a care in the world and he is starting to draw attention to himself, enter Lexie. Lexie failed and so when we next see Damon in the Pilot he is still Damon sans humanity. So unless we are told differently I believe Damon turned off his humanity sometime in the 50's due to this torture and kept it off until sometime in S1 approx. 60 yrs, which fits with what he said this EP. He also told Jeremy in S1 finale that he had his humanity turned off for a very long time, and life was easier that way. So I think he flipped his switch once. Both Damon and Stefan have experienced torture in some shape or form throughout TVD, what triggers PTSD is personal to that individual, everyone has a different breaking point. My take is that nothing Damon experienced in his vamp life until this torture caused him to flip his switch. He lost his life, turned vamp, lost the girl he loved, lost his bro, was completely alone but this torture was his undoing, it was too much to bear so he turned it off. I have always loved how Damon has responded to torture in the past, even as horrific as it was. He never lost his spark or snark and took it with a degree of resignation, that he would most likely die. He was not scared of dying, ever. The torture he received in the 50's never ended in death, his captors never intended his death, he was toy to be kept alive and experimented on over again. Death probably would have been preferable to Damon at the time, but it never came. That is what has him scared right now IMO.
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Post by deb on Nov 28, 2013 6:03:08 GMT -5
Yes I have of course, lol. TBH, Ian looked a bit weary. I think he has lost track of the past storyline because he talked about Damon being compelled to love Kat when we all know that it was Stefan who was compelled. My take is that He doesn't really know that much plot in advance, maybe 3-4 eps ahead. I think there is definitely a huge roadblock coming soon for DE, Caroline foreshadowed this in her recent outburst to Elena so I think he is telling the truth when he says relationships are difficult in MF and nobody is happy for long. They wrapped the 100th EP a couple of weeks back and that is 5x11 ad we have seen 5x08 so 3-4 eps ahead in filming give or take? I think we are going to see a dramatic revelation concerning Damon and his connection to Elena from the past, probably through Grayson and this will cause a DE break up or severe blow to their relationship. My gut feeling is that whatever it is, it will be temporary and something else for there relationship to overcome. What do you think Debs?
I don't really know what to think. I remember when Ian said, in the beginning of season 4, that it would all be about Elena and Stefan vamp sex, Damon would get nothing. I believed him and look what happened The way Ian talked, it was almost like DE would be over for good because he said something like, relationships don't last long in M.Falls and he was lucky to have her and that experience in his life... But, like you said, and I agree, he probably doesn't know much yet about episodes 12 and more so, probably, they will get back together. I also think that, we haven't seen enough of DE yet so I'm counting on DE being together till the end of this season. Elena will probably end this season alone and, in season 6, she's going to get close to both brothers and, in the end of season 6 (if it's the end of the show), shocking, she's again ( ) going to pick one... I just think that both of them deserve better than this, it's like Elena has a menu every season and she's like: "Today, it will be a little of Stefan" and, the following day, she's like "today I want Damon"
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Post by Kiki on Nov 28, 2013 14:54:28 GMT -5
I have a strange feeling that this season it will be Stefan who will have to choose between Elena and Katherine. I don't know.. I just feel it's his season. He reads the intro to every episode and the doppelgänger stuff... Just a feeling I have
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Post by stelena4ever on Nov 28, 2013 19:19:33 GMT -5
I have a strange feeling that this season it will be Stefan who will have to choose between Elena and Katherine. I don't know.. I just feel it's his season. He reads the intro to every episode and the doppelgänger stuff... Just a feeling I have If that is the case Kiki, then I hope at this point he will choose Katherine and give Elena a taste of her own medicine.
I guess I want to see Elena fight for Stefan and Stefan not make it so easy.
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Post by katvolley13 on Dec 2, 2013 7:30:06 GMT -5
Yes I have of course, lol. TBH, Ian looked a bit weary. I think he has lost track of the past storyline because he talked about Damon being compelled to love Kat when we all know that it was Stefan who was compelled. My take is that He doesn't really know that much plot in advance, maybe 3-4 eps ahead. I think there is definitely a huge roadblock coming soon for DE, Caroline foreshadowed this in her recent outburst to Elena so I think he is telling the truth when he says relationships are difficult in MF and nobody is happy for long. They wrapped the 100th EP a couple of weeks back and that is 5x11 ad we have seen 5x08 so 3-4 eps ahead in filming give or take? I think we are going to see a dramatic revelation concerning Damon and his connection to Elena from the past, probably through Grayson and this will cause a DE break up or severe blow to their relationship. My gut feeling is that whatever it is, it will be temporary and something else for there relationship to overcome. What do you think Debs?
I don't really know what to think. I remember when Ian said, in the beginning of season 4, that it would all be about Elena and Stefan vamp sex, Damon would get nothing. I believed him and look what happened The way Ian talked, it was almost like DE would be over for good because he said something like, relationships don't last long in M.Falls and he was lucky to have her and that experience in his life... But, like you said, and I agree, he probably doesn't know much yet about episodes 12 and more so, probably, they will get back together. I also think that, we haven't seen enough of DE yet so I'm counting on DE being together till the end of this season. Elena will probably end this season alone and, in season 6, she's going to get close to both brothers and, in the end of season 6 (if it's the end of the show), shocking, she's again ( ) going to pick one... I just think that both of them deserve better than this, it's like Elena has a menu every season and she's like: "Today, it will be a little of Stefan" and, the following day, she's like "today I want Damon" I actually rewatched season one and two this weekend. Damon was not compelled and and drank from Katherine willingly. He was angry that stefen was also there. He did not want to complete transition because he thought Katherine was dead otherwise he would have. Stefen brought a girl to him but he drank from her. Damon chose to drink from her. I don't know just rewatching it made me see it differently. Sent from my MB886 using proboards
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