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Post by napoli on Nov 8, 2013 11:15:08 GMT -5
In 4x15 when Jeremy was dead and Bonnie told the MF gang the plan of dropping the veil they were all against it. Here are some quotes from 4x15:
Damon: ...every supernatural being over there is back with a vengeance.
Caroline: ...and sure as hell can't invite every monster who's ever died back into this world.
Elena: Are you guys willing to bring back every supernatural creature on the other side to get him back ...would you? I know you want your drinking buddy back. Would you Damon because I wouldn't. I don't know I mean does that make me a bad person I have no idea.
Now that they are trying to get Bonnie back somehow no one cares about dropping the veil? I'm all for bringing Bonnie back but what happened to everyone? How is Bonnie more important now than bringing Jeremy back last season? I'm not sure if this is a plot hole or are they trying to show just how much everyone has changed especially Damon and Elena given they are the ones who were so against it last season but don't seem to care about the consequences now?
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Post by Kiki on Nov 8, 2013 11:15:20 GMT -5
there are so many open ends lately on tvd. what happened after katherine woke up last episode. did she just get up wished damon and elena a nice evening and left? strange when silas met elena at the campus and told her about damon keeping jeremy's accident secret from her she was sooooo angry and when she later met damon all was fine. same in this episode. she was so angry about damon breaking stefans neck that she dumped him on the phone but when she came back to casa salvatore everything was fine again. is this just bad writing or is stefan's comment "you do everything damon wants you to do" a hint to something? I found that comment, "you do everything damon wants you to do" from Stefan kinda fortelling I hope. And then Tessa answered with, "she is co-dependant". Is Damon a drug for Elena? If so, she needs to go to rehab. maybe she is some kind of 50shade'isch sexaddicted?
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Post by Kiki on Nov 8, 2013 11:19:38 GMT -5
In 4x15 when Jeremy was dead and Bonnie told the MF gang the plan of dropping the veil they were all against it. Here are some quotes from 4x15: Damon: ...every supernatural being over there is back with a vengeance.' Caroline: ...and sure as hell can't invite every monster who's ever died back into this world. Caroline Elena: Are you guys willing to bring back every supernatural creature on the other side to get him back ...would you? I know you want your drinking buddy back. Would you Damon because I wouldn't. I don't know I mean does that make me a bad person I have no idea. Now that they are trying to get Bonnie back somehow no one cares about dropping the veil? I'm all for bringing Bonnie back but what happened to everyone? How is Bonnie more important now than bringing Jeremy back last season? I'm not sure if this is a plot hole or are they trying to show just how much everyone has changed? the plan was not to open the veil but to get only Bonnie out and destroy the whole thing. So every other dead supernatural will be dead-dead (Lexi, Alaric, Rose, Anna, Jenna...) But since Amara is not dead Silas will not keep his promise (didn't the next sypnosis even say so) so they have to find another way and I am sure they will soon
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Post by napoli on Nov 8, 2013 11:26:06 GMT -5
In 4x15 when Jeremy was dead and Bonnie told the MF gang the plan of dropping the veil they were all against it. Here are some quotes from 4x15: Damon: ...every supernatural being over there is back with a vengeance.' Caroline: ...and sure as hell can't invite every monster who's ever died back into this world. Caroline Elena: Are you guys willing to bring back every supernatural creature on the other side to get him back ...would you? I know you want your drinking buddy back. Would you Damon because I wouldn't. I don't know I mean does that make me a bad person I have no idea. Now that they are trying to get Bonnie back somehow no one cares about dropping the veil? I'm all for bringing Bonnie back but what happened to everyone? How is Bonnie more important now than bringing Jeremy back last season? I'm not sure if this is a plot hole or are they trying to show just how much everyone has changed? the plan was not to open the veil but to get only Bonnie out and destroy the whole thing. So every other dead supernatural will be dead-dead (Lexi, Alaric, Rose, Anna, Jenna...) But since Amara is not dead Silas will not keep his promise (didn't the next sypnosis even say so) so they have to find another way and I am sure they will soon The plan was for Silas to find the anchor - the reason for being in the warehouse in NJ - destroy it to drop the veil and then kill himself. The plan most definitely included dropping the veil. It's the only ways Silas believed he could be reunited with Amara.
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Post by napoli on Nov 8, 2013 11:26:34 GMT -5
In 4x15 when Jeremy was dead and Bonnie told the MF gang the plan of dropping the veil they were all against it. Here are some quotes from 4x15: Damon: ...every supernatural being over there is back with a vengeance.' Caroline: ...and sure as hell can't invite every monster who's ever died back into this world. Caroline Elena: Are you guys willing to bring back every supernatural creature on the other side to get him back ...would you? I know you want your drinking buddy back. Would you Damon because I wouldn't. I don't know I mean does that make me a bad person I have no idea. Now that they are trying to get Bonnie back somehow no one cares about dropping the veil? I'm all for bringing Bonnie back but what happened to everyone? How is Bonnie more important now than bringing Jeremy back last season? I'm not sure if this is a plot hole or are they trying to show just how much everyone has changed? the plan was not to open the veil but to get only Bonnie out and destroy the whole thing. So every other dead supernatural will be dead-dead (Lexi, Alaric, Rose, Anna, Jenna...) But since Amara is not dead Silas will not keep his promise (didn't the next sypnosis even say so) so they have to find another way and I am sure they will soon The plan was for Silas to find the anchor - the reason for being in the warehouse in NJ - destroy it to drop the veil and then kill himself. The plan most definitely included dropping the veil. It's the only ways Silas believed he could be reunited with Amara.
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Post by Kiki on Nov 8, 2013 11:27:28 GMT -5
the plan was not to open the veil but to get only Bonnie out and destroy the whole thing. So every other dead supernatural will be dead-dead (Lexi, Alaric, Rose, Anna, Jenna...) But since Amara is not dead Silas will not keep his promise (didn't the next sypnosis even say so) so they have to find another way and I am sure they will soon The plan was for Silas to find the anchor - the reason for being in the warehouse in NJ - destroy it to drop the veil and then kill himself. The plan most definitely included dropping the veil. It's the only ways Silas believed he could be reunited with Amara. but didn't they say DESTROY the veil in ep. 5???
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Post by napoli on Nov 8, 2013 11:34:15 GMT -5
The plan was for Silas to find the anchor - the reason for being in the warehouse in NJ - destroy it to drop the veil and then kill himself. The plan most definitely included dropping the veil. It's the only ways Silas believed he could be reunited with Amara. but didn't they say DESTROY the veil in ep. 5??? Destroy, drop, the same thing would happen. All the supernatural creatures would be released.
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Post by Kiki on Nov 8, 2013 12:02:03 GMT -5
but didn't they say DESTROY the veil in ep. 5??? Destroy, drop, the same thing would happen. All the supernatural creatures would be released. I don't think so. I think if they open the veil everyone will be released but if they destroy it everyone inside will be dead-dead
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Post by napoli on Nov 8, 2013 12:27:01 GMT -5
Destroy, drop, the same thing would happen. All the supernatural creatures would be released. I don't think so. I think if they open the veil everyone will be released but if they destroy it everyone inside will be dead-dead What changed Silas' mind? In s4 he wanted the veil dropped so he could die and be reunited with Amara and this season he needs it destroyed to die and be with Amara so why the change? This is a big plot hole if this is true.
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Post by Kiki on Nov 8, 2013 12:42:44 GMT -5
I don't think so. I think if they open the veil everyone will be released but if they destroy it everyone inside will be dead-dead What changed Silas' mind? In s4 he wanted the veil dropped so he could die and be reunited with Amara and this season he needs it destroyed to die and be with Amara so why the change? This is a big plot hole if this is true. this whole storyline is a plot hole. We don't know where dead humans go because no human ever died and came back to tell. So why does Silas think he can reunite with Amara who -like he thought- died as a human? In season 4 it was even more weired. Opening the veil would just open the veil but it would still stand between Silas and Amara, right? So destroying the veil in Season 5 makes more sense but still not much at all since we don't know where dead humans go. But after today's episode it doesn't matter anyway because Amara isn't dead therefore we do not need to open the veil or destroy it for Silas' wish. BUT to bring Bonnie back we need to open it... I just hope Lexi will manage to slip through the open gate, too
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Post by napoli on Nov 8, 2013 13:02:11 GMT -5
What changed Silas' mind? In s4 he wanted the veil dropped so he could die and be reunited with Amara and this season he needs it destroyed to die and be with Amara so why the change? This is a big plot hole if this is true. this whole storyline is a plot hole. We don't know where dead humans go because no human ever died and came back to tell. So why does Silas think he can reunite with Amara who -like he thought- died as a human? In season 4 it was even more weired. Opening the veil would just open the veil but it would still stand between Silas and Amara, right? So destroying the veil in Season 5 makes more sense but still not much at all since we don't know where dead humans go. But after today's episode it doesn't matter anyway because Amara isn't dead therefore we do not need to open the veil or destroy it for Silas' wish. BUT to bring Bonnie back we need to open it... I just hope Lexi will manage to slip through the open gate, too The point isn't about the veil but rather the drastic shift in the characters reaction to it.
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Post by stelena4ever on Nov 8, 2013 13:36:02 GMT -5
The episode as a whole was good. The only thing I didn't like was Stefan getting his memory back. I was hoping this would be a permanent thing. I just don't want him to carry all that guilt anymore. I like seeing Stefan stand up to Damon now and be his own person.
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Post by damonsgirl on Nov 8, 2013 14:18:37 GMT -5
this whole storyline is a plot hole. We don't know where dead humans go because no human ever died and came back to tell. So why does Silas think he can reunite with Amara who -like he thought- died as a human? In season 4 it was even more weired. Opening the veil would just open the veil but it would still stand between Silas and Amara, right? So destroying the veil in Season 5 makes more sense but still not much at all since we don't know where dead humans go. But after today's episode it doesn't matter anyway because Amara isn't dead therefore we do not need to open the veil or destroy it for Silas' wish. BUT to bring Bonnie back we need to open it... I just hope Lexi will manage to slip through the open gate, too The point isn't about the veil but rather the drastic shift in the characters reaction to it. Ok, here is how I understand it. The difference in the characters reaction to the "otherside" is that this time, rather than drop the veil between our realm and the other side, The plan now is to destroy it completely therefore releases all those poor supes from supernatural purgatory hell. Because they are dead, they will move on to wherever people go when they die. They won't come back to the living side. Silas couldn't do this before because he didn't know what or where the anchor was. S4 plan was to get Bonnie to drop the veil and bring Tessa back from the other side so he could read her mind, find the anchor and destroy it. I obviously spend way to much time thinking about TVD.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 8, 2013 18:11:19 GMT -5
but didn't they say DESTROY the veil in ep. 5??? Destroy, drop, the same thing would happen. All the supernatural creatures would be released. Sry...nope! They dropped the veil last season (bonnie spell) didn't destroy it. What I get out this Ep is someone's gotta kill Amara to destroy it. Still don't think we've seen the last of Silas. lol And writers please don't make my Kat old and wrinkled......Get crackin' Doc.!
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Post by napoli on Nov 8, 2013 18:46:25 GMT -5
Destroy, drop, the same thing would happen. All the supernatural creatures would be released. Sry...nope! They dropped the veil last season (bonnie spell) didn't destroy it. What I get out this Ep is someone's gotta kill Amara to destroy it. Still don't think we've seen the last of Silas. lol And writers please don't make my Kat old and wrinkled......Get crackin' Doc.! Kiki and shoe20 I think this was poor writing on the writers part. In 4x15 these were the references to dropping the veil: Shane: Because you as Q's descendant can make the other side go away. Stefan: Drop the veil? What does that even mean? Damon: What it means is the myth about Silas being able to raise the dead is not just one or some but it's every supernatural being over there. Bonnie: Once the veil is dropped the other side doesn't exist anymore. There's nothing separating us we're all just one. Now, call me crazy but when Shane says '...the other side go away.' and Bonnie says '...the other side doesn't exist anymore.' doesn't this imply it's destroyed? At the same time in 5x05 the writers imply that there is a difference between drop the veil and destroy the other side with the following dialogue: Jeremy: He (Silas) already tried to bring down the veil to the other side – he failed. Bonnie: Maybe he has a plan B. Maybe he wants to do more than just drop the veil and let all the ghosts out. Jeremy tells Damon what Bonnie said: She thinks Silas wants to destroy the other side completely. This implies that there is a difference between the 2 but not when you look at how it was described in s4. Bad, bad writers! In 4x22 Bonnie didn't drop the veil completely because she only wanted to let Tessa out so she could put Silas down.
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