stelenalover123
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Post by stelenalover123 on Jul 30, 2013 17:47:39 GMT -5
This scene is so cute!
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Post by deb on Aug 7, 2013 10:57:32 GMT -5
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Post by deb on Aug 13, 2013 16:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by deb on Aug 15, 2013 18:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by teppy1 on Aug 15, 2013 19:02:11 GMT -5
stelenalover123 your signature is perfect.I know I say that a lot but I always mean it. You guys all have such good taste!!
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stelenalover123
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Post by stelenalover123 on Aug 16, 2013 8:01:01 GMT -5
Aww thank you teppy1 Your signature is pretty nice too And I agree with you! Everyone's signature is unique and beautiful in their own way.
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Post by deb on Aug 21, 2013 15:57:05 GMT -5
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Kiki
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Post by Kiki on Aug 22, 2013 12:32:47 GMT -5
I have been thinking about how the torture will change Stefan.
Season 1 Stefan was feeling like he doesn't deserve anything because he was a vampire and killed so many people. He felt shy to give in to his love for Elena Season 2 Stefan was still feeling like he didn't deserve any love but accepted what was given to him anyway Season 3 Stefan sacrificed everything to save the ones he loved. Because he thought they are worth more than himself. Season 4 Stefan knew he was losing Elena but still waited for her choice without ever asking for her love. He didn't fight for her because he still thought he wasn't worth being loved and hoped she would chose him anyway.
There are 3 main reasons why Stefan feels so guilty
1. He was the ripper and killed so many people 2. He (in his opinion) forced Damon to become a vampire 3. It was his fault Elena became a vampire
But now after the torture the situation for him is different:
1. He suffered more than one deathpenalty for every human he ever killed. Even the worst criminal is free to live a normal life after he spent enough time in prison and got punished. So I hope Stefan will take the torture as destiny's punishment and he will feel like he paid for all the people he killed and stop brooding about it. 2. Damon already admitted that it wasn't Stefan's fault that he became a vampire but now Damon took Lexi, he took Elena and he makes it impossible for Stefan to live in his home because he would have to watch Delena. I guess they are even now. Especially since Stefan sacrificed everything for Damon's health 3. Stefan gave the cure to Elena. He gave her the chance to right his wrongs. She chose to stay a vampire and it's no longer Stefan's fault.
Now after he has lost everything... his best friend, the love of his life, the trust in his brother, his home and even his identity stolen by Silas Stefan can start a new life without brooding. Of course he will still suffer from losing all this and from the torture but once he recovers he may not brood so much anymore. I want him to feel worthy of being loved and being happy. I want him to not wait for the girl he loves to chose him but just fight for her (for Elena or for someone else) And once Elena will realise that she chose the wrong brother Stefan will no longer live to please her but live to please himself. He can take her back but I don't want him to just accept it if she hurts him. I want him to get angry if she does and speak for himself because he feels worth to be treated better.
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Post by deb on Aug 22, 2013 14:45:34 GMT -5
I have been thinking about how the torture will change Stefan. Season 1 Stefan was feeling like he doesn't deserve anything because he was a vampire and killed so many people. He felt shy to give in to his love for Elena Season 2 Stefan was still feeling like he didn't deserve any love but accepted what was given to him anyway Season 3 Stefan sacrificed everything to save the ones he loved. Because he thought they are worth more than himself. Season 4 Stefan knew he was losing Elena but still waited for her choice without ever asking for her love. He didn't fight for her because he still thought he wasn't worth being loved and hoped she would chose him anyway. There are 3 main reasons why Stefan feels so guilty 1. He was the ripper and killed so many people 2. He (in his opinion) forced Damon to become a vampire 3. It was his fault Elena became a vampire But now after the torture the situation for him is different: 1. He suffered more than one deathpenalty for every human he ever killed. Even the worst criminal is free to live a normal life after he spent enough time in prison and got punished. So I hope Stefan will take the torture as destiny's punishment and he will feel like he paid for all the people he killed and stop brooding about it. 2. Damon already admitted that it wasn't Stefan's fault that he became a vampire but now Damon took Lexi, he took Elena and he makes it impossible for Stefan to live in his home because he would have to watch Delena. I guess they are even now. Especially since Stefan sacrificed everything for Damon's health 3. Stefan gave the cure to Elena. He gave her the chance to right his wrongs. She chose to stay a vampire and it's no longer Stefan's fault. Now after he has lost everything... his best friend, the love of his life, the trust in his brother, his home and even his identity stolen by Silas Stefan can start a new life without brooding. Of course he will still suffer from losing all this and from the torture but once he recovers he may not brood so much anymore. I want him to feel worthy of being loved and being happy. I want him to not wait for the girl he loves to chose him but just fight for her (for Elena or for someone else) And once Elena will realise that she chose the wrong brother Stefan will no longer live to please her but live to please himself. He can take her back but I don't want him to just accept it if she hurts him. I want him to get angry if she does and speak for himself because he feels worth to be treated better. Kiki, I hope it won't be "She's the love of my life, so i'm taking her back in a heart beat" anymore for Stefan... When Elena picked Damon , she was so cold to Stefan, she felt more sorry when she let Damon go in season 3 than now... She acted like Stefan was nothing to her and that has to prove she deserves Stefan again... It's not just that she picked his brother (after everything that happened with Katherine) but how she was so cold about it! I hope the writers make her fight for him and he says that he doesn't want her back many many times...
But, I don't think Stefan will ever stop caring about his brother or Elena. I think he's always going to put them first because that's who he is, he's the hero of the show. Even when SE get together again, he's going to be the same boyfriend he was before. That's why I like the idea of his memories being erased after hallucinating, that would be the only way we could see a Stefan that puts himself first, that doesn't care about Damon or Elena...
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Kiki
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Post by Kiki on Aug 22, 2013 15:27:42 GMT -5
deb All I hope is that Elena will not go back to Stefan because she feels sorry for him because of the torture. Her going back to loving him because she thinks he will die and she will lose him forever is ok but not because she is feeling sorry for him AND not because of some supernatural doppelgänger connection. I want the love Stelena had to be real and not supernatural
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Post by deb on Aug 22, 2013 16:32:47 GMT -5
Kiki, I know we can't trust the writers but they wouldn't do that to SE love story. Besides, Stefan knows Elena better than anyone and he would never take her back if she was just sorry for him. We know that, for him, is all or nothing at all. Well, If you see the doppelgangers connection as a force that pulls them together (Like, when Stefan said he wanted to leave town but he couldn't without knowing Elena) to make them relive the Silas love story. It may or may not work, like it didn't work with Stefan and Katherine... If SE were together just because of the supernatural doppelganger connection, the sirebond wouldn't have ruined it. It's like, they are born to be soulmates, that's how perfect they are together... Now, I remembered something, in the Silas love story, there was a triangle, where Qetsiyah was the obstacle to Silas and his real love. What if she put a curse in the doppelgangers where there will always be a tringle, a person who is an obstacle to have to make them fight for their love!?
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Post by deb on Aug 23, 2013 8:34:08 GMT -5
Found this and I had to share it because this is the scene that DE's use to try to prove that Stefan is as bad as Damon and I have to admit I used to watch it and thought that Stefan put his wish for revenge before Elena. Now, I think he did it FOR her and Jeremy: stefan-is-elenas-lobster: Once again, after all this time, I see that, even SE’rs, cannot grasp what happened when Stefan threatened to drive Elena off the Wickery Bridge. If you don’t understand it, then say that you don’t understand it—but DON’T tell DE’rs that you AGREE with them when they say that it proves Stefan is as bad as Damon because it makes you look like you don’t watch the show. We already know that THEY don’t. FIRST of all, he was “humanity-less”. DE’rs will find out about that the hard way this season since they ignored it all last season. Next: The sequence of events…. Jeremy almost gets killed BY A HYBRID. Elena goes to Stefan telling him that he MUST ask Klaus to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS because Jeremy almost got killed. Stefan SAYS that he doesn’t care….BUT….. Next scene… Stefan goes to Klaus and threatens him—beheading a HYBRID—telling him toGET RID OF THE HYBRIDS Klaus refuses…. Next scene… Party….Stefan trying to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS himself by killing them one by one. Damon telling him to leave the “evilness” to him as he’s better at it…ha ha…. Next scene…. Stefan kidnaps Elena and calls Klaus telling him to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS. Klaus thinks he’s bluffing. Stefan has to make it look real…. What happens next? Klaus GETS RID OF THE HYBRIDS! Mission. Effing. Accomplished. Was Stefan’s method dangerous? Yes!!!!! Did he feel crushing guilt afterwards for putting her through it??? Yes!!!!!! But it wasn’t just for his amusement or out of boredom—THERE WAS A PURPOSE. Hmmmmmm….is Stefan not allowed to “be bad with a purpose” ??
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Post by napoli on Aug 23, 2013 10:57:10 GMT -5
Found this and I had to share it because this is the scene that DE's use to try to prove that Stefan is as bad as Damon and I have to admit I used to watch it and thought that Stefan put his wish for revenge before Elena. Now, I think he did it FOR her and Jeremy: stefan-is-elenas-lobster: Once again, after all this time, I see that, even SE’rs, cannot grasp what happened when Stefan threatened to drive Elena off the Wickery Bridge. If you don’t understand it, then say that you don’t understand it—but DON’T tell DE’rs that you AGREE with them when they say that it proves Stefan is as bad as Damon because it makes you look like you don’t watch the show. We already know that THEY don’t. FIRST of all, he was “humanity-less”. DE’rs will find out about that the hard way this season since they ignored it all last season. Next: The sequence of events…. Jeremy almost gets killed BY A HYBRID. Elena goes to Stefan telling him that he MUST ask Klaus to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS because Jeremy almost got killed. Stefan SAYS that he doesn’t care….BUT….. Next scene… Stefan goes to Klaus and threatens him—beheading a HYBRID—telling him toGET RID OF THE HYBRIDS Klaus refuses…. Next scene… Party….Stefan trying to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS himself by killing them one by one. Damon telling him to leave the “evilness” to him as he’s better at it…ha ha…. Next scene…. Stefan kidnaps Elena and calls Klaus telling him to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS. Klaus thinks he’s bluffing. Stefan has to make it look real…. What happens next? Klaus GETS RID OF THE HYBRIDS! Mission. Effing. Accomplished. Was Stefan’s method dangerous? Yes!!!!! Did he feel crushing guilt afterwards for putting her through it??? Yes!!!!!! But it wasn’t just for his amusement or out of boredom—THERE WAS A PURPOSE. Hmmmmmm….is Stefan not allowed to “be bad with a purpose” ?? On top of this, Stefan apologises to Elena in 3x12 "I shouldn't have kidnapped you. The car, the bridge, it was too far." Let's see how far dark Elena gets with Damon when he continues to pull Damon crap over and over and never apologises. Damon said in 4x23 that he isn't sorry that he makes terrible decisions that hurt Elena. We'll see if Elena can really put up with her worst choice.
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Kiki
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Post by Kiki on Aug 23, 2013 14:24:58 GMT -5
Found this and I had to share it because this is the scene that DE's use to try to prove that Stefan is as bad as Damon and I have to admit I used to watch it and thought that Stefan put his wish for revenge before Elena. Now, I think he did it FOR her and Jeremy: stefan-is-elenas-lobster: Once again, after all this time, I see that, even SE’rs, cannot grasp what happened when Stefan threatened to drive Elena off the Wickery Bridge. If you don’t understand it, then say that you don’t understand it—but DON’T tell DE’rs that you AGREE with them when they say that it proves Stefan is as bad as Damon because it makes you look like you don’t watch the show. We already know that THEY don’t. FIRST of all, he was “humanity-less”. DE’rs will find out about that the hard way this season since they ignored it all last season. Next: The sequence of events…. Jeremy almost gets killed BY A HYBRID. Elena goes to Stefan telling him that he MUST ask Klaus to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS because Jeremy almost got killed. Stefan SAYS that he doesn’t care….BUT….. Next scene… Stefan goes to Klaus and threatens him—beheading a HYBRID—telling him toGET RID OF THE HYBRIDS Klaus refuses…. Next scene… Party….Stefan trying to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS himself by killing them one by one. Damon telling him to leave the “evilness” to him as he’s better at it…ha ha…. Next scene…. Stefan kidnaps Elena and calls Klaus telling him to GET RID OF THE HYBRIDS. Klaus thinks he’s bluffing. Stefan has to make it look real…. What happens next? Klaus GETS RID OF THE HYBRIDS! Mission. Effing. Accomplished. Was Stefan’s method dangerous? Yes!!!!! Did he feel crushing guilt afterwards for putting her through it??? Yes!!!!!! But it wasn’t just for his amusement or out of boredom—THERE WAS A PURPOSE. Hmmmmmm….is Stefan not allowed to “be bad with a purpose” ?? On top of this, Stefan apologises to Elena in 3x12 "I shouldn't have kidnapped you. The car, the bridge, it was too far." Let's see how far dark Elena gets with Damon when he continues to pull Damon crap over and over and never apologises. Damon said in 4x23 that he isn't sorry that he makes terrible decisions that hurt Elena. We'll see if Elena can really put up with her worst choice. And to put another top on it I just found this deleted scene Damon has no respect for Jeremy and he treats him like crap and Elena will not like it
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Post by deb on Aug 23, 2013 14:46:14 GMT -5
On top of this, Stefan apologises to Elena in 3x12 "I shouldn't have kidnapped you. The car, the bridge, it was too far." Let's see how far dark Elena gets with Damon when he continues to pull Damon crap over and over and never apologises. Damon said in 4x23 that he isn't sorry that he makes terrible decisions that hurt Elena. We'll see if Elena can really put up with her worst choice. And to put another top on it I just found this deleted scene Damon has no respect for Jeremy and he treats him like crap and Elena will not like it I'm discussing this in the Damon rants...
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