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Post by shoe20 on Oct 9, 2013 8:13:50 GMT -5
I'm not trying to rain on your parade Anna, just pointing out that what I see so far is one dimensional. That could change this week, but I would have thought there would have been summer flashbacks to lighter moments of fun and bonding if it was CD's purpose to show them as a multilayered couple. Just thinking how I would have written it.
Hey I think you'll really enjoy Buffy. As far as viewer numbers go: I don't trust Zap-it and L-3. L-3 is just a way to increase numbers through guesstimation. That being said, you and I both know stats are easy to massage and support any view you wish. LOL
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Post by napoli on Oct 9, 2013 8:43:38 GMT -5
Ponder these facts: 3.2 million watched S4 premier of SE 2.6 million watched S5 premier of DE Guess where the drop started in S4.....wait for it ..... 4x07. Did anything important happen in that Ep? In fact only 2 of the next 17 ep had viewers equal to or greater than ANY of the first 7 ep's in S4. What's significant is the drop in viewers happened right after lust night, before the SB was confirmed. Data from Wiki Well to be fair a lot of people didn't like everything that happened in 4x07. And hence forth the drop that happened in 4x08 is because people were like nope. And that was because of all fans. Not just SErs but even DE'rs and Klaroline fans. A lot of people didn't like that ep. And also tvd always starts off with higher views and then lulls out towards the finale. Its just how it is. And I see that 5x01 had a total of 3.7m viewers (this includes L+3 Day viewing) my facts are from here. Which is the highest amount its been since S1x13! SEASON 1 like woah. I don't trust wiki. Anyone can write whatever they like there. Your figures are comparing apples to oranges. Shoe20 listed live ratings for s4 and s5. Your number for s5 is live + delayed viewings. According to this site TVD s4 premiere + delayed viewings was in fact 4.1 up from 3.2. 4.1 is still higher than 3.7. tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/29/live7-ratings-for-arrow-beauty-and-the-beast-vampire-diaries-premieres-grow-double-digits/155207/Wiki may be edited by anyone but the ratings are referenced with the links provided at the bottom of the page so you can double check the reference from the source if you don't believe the number posted.
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Post by shoe20 on Oct 9, 2013 15:10:02 GMT -5
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Post by Anna on Oct 9, 2013 15:49:35 GMT -5
Well to be fair a lot of people didn't like everything that happened in 4x07. And hence forth the drop that happened in 4x08 is because people were like nope. And that was because of all fans. Not just SErs but even DE'rs and Klaroline fans. A lot of people didn't like that ep. And also tvd always starts off with higher views and then lulls out towards the finale. Its just how it is. And I see that 5x01 had a total of 3.7m viewers (this includes L+3 Day viewing) my facts are from here. Which is the highest amount its been since S1x13! SEASON 1 like woah. I don't trust wiki. Anyone can write whatever they like there. Your figures are comparing apples to oranges. Shoe20 listed live ratings for s4 and s5. Your number for s5 is live + delayed viewings. According to this site TVD s4 premiere + delayed viewings was in fact 4.1 up from 3.2. 4.1 is still higher than 3.7. tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/29/live7-ratings-for-arrow-beauty-and-the-beast-vampire-diaries-premieres-grow-double-digits/155207/Wiki may be edited by anyone but the ratings are referenced with the links provided at the bottom of the page so you can double check the reference from the source if you don't believe the number posted. Sorry I should have checked the consistency of the numbers in the list. You'd think theyd keep them consistent. Cause then whats the point of having a list compiled if nots compatiable with one another. But the i guess ifs for appearances.
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Post by Anna on Oct 9, 2013 15:58:58 GMT -5
Funny how it doesnt show katherines role in this...
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Post by shoe20 on Oct 9, 2013 16:22:24 GMT -5
The funny stuff referred to the tumblr link I posted and not Jeremy getting hurt. Of course Katherine was totally responsible for the wreck and Damon was responsible for putting them together. Hey I probably would have made the same choice. It's still that old consequences of your actions thing. Follow the link and you'll see what I mean.
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Post by damonsgirl on Oct 10, 2013 12:03:31 GMT -5
Ponder these facts: 3.2 million watched S4 premier of SE 2.6 million watched S5 premier of DE Guess where the drop started in S4.....wait for it ..... 4x07. Did anything important happen in that Ep? In fact only 2 of the next 17 ep had viewers equal to or greater than ANY of the first 7 ep's in S4. What's significant is the drop in viewers happened right after lust night, before the SB was confirmed. Data from Wiki Wikipedia??? must be true then, TV ratings don't take into account international viewers of which I am one. I live in the UK where episodes are aired several weeks behind. This latest ep 5x01 has not aired in the UK yet and ITV2 have not yet given the date for airing the premiere.
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Post by shoe20 on Oct 10, 2013 12:16:29 GMT -5
I understand, which I why I always hesitate to go down the stats road. I also understand the info on Wiki can be changed, but these numbers are sourced at the bottom of page so I tend to believe they were correct for live viewers. I didn't quote the time-shifted or L-3 guesses because they weren't available. All the post was meant to show was a trend. Even with the time-shifted s4 had more viewers the s5 premier.(3.7 vs 4.1 mil) If I feel the need to post stats again, I'll try to fight the urge. LOL
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Post by damonsgirl on Oct 10, 2013 14:14:47 GMT -5
I understand, which I why I always hesitate to go down the stats road. I also understand the info on Wiki can be changed, but these numbers are sourced at the bottom of page so I tend to believe they were correct for live viewers. I didn't quote the time-shifted or L-3 guesses because they weren't available. All the post was meant to show was a trend. Even with the time-shifted s4 had more viewers the s5 premier.(3.7 vs 4.1 mil) If I feel the need to post stats again, I'll try to fight the urge. LOL No problem , post away!! I agree that the stats do show a trend but, I believe that a downward trend in viewers is pretty normal for most shows the longer the series airs. As for TVD, the SB story broke in 4x07 with that awful screechy dialogue from Caroline, ugggh! I believe a lot of DE's just threw the towel in after being strung along for 3.5 seasons and lots of SE's tuned out for obvious reasons and then stayed away. That's my theory anyway. For me, I am new to TVD. I started watching from the pilot in January this year on netflix all the way through and caught up with USA viewers around 4x13 so I never had that amount of angst caused by endless hiatus's until this Summer, so the SB/ cure shananigans didn't worry me to much, because I hadn't waited or suffered through 3.5 years of that angst. Am I making any sense?
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Post by Anna on Oct 10, 2013 18:37:28 GMT -5
I understand, which I why I always hesitate to go down the stats road. I also understand the info on Wiki can be changed, but these numbers are sourced at the bottom of page so I tend to believe they were correct for live viewers. I didn't quote the time-shifted or L-3 guesses because they weren't available. All the post was meant to show was a trend. Even with the time-shifted s4 had more viewers the s5 premier.(3.7 vs 4.1 mil) If I feel the need to post stats again, I'll try to fight the urge. LOL No problem , post away!! I agree that the stats do show a trend but, I believe that a downward trend in viewers is pretty normal for most shows the longer the series airs. As for TVD, the SB story broke in 4x07 with that awful screechy dialogue from Caroline, ugggh! I believe a lot of DE's just threw the towel in after being strung along for 3.5 seasons and lots of SE's tuned out for obvious reasons and then stayed away. That's my theory anyway. For me, I am new to TVD. I started watching from the pilot in January this year on netflix all the way through and caught up with USA viewers around 4x13 so I never had that amount of angst caused by endless hiatus's until this Summer, so the SB/ cure shananigans didn't worry me to much, because I hadn't waited or suffered through 3.5 years of that angst. Am I making any sense? I still can't believe there was so little live watchers in the US. (Also the 4.1 in the article states it was L+7 so we can't really compare those numbers unless im reading this wrong) But I also don't think its fair to compare just live numbers. Because as you can see the impact of how many more viewers we get from adding just three days. Its ridiculous. ANd I get that. Cause its convenient to watch it when they can, on the weekend maybe. Maybe they are busy. Anyhow I definitely agree with what Damongirls said about 4x07. A lot of people were just like nope were not doing this and quit. Can you imagine your OTP was getting closer to being together and we have this whole build up in an ep only to find out that those feelings might not be true because of some technicality. Especially after waiting 3 seasons and a bit to happen. Yeh it wasn't pretty. We got played bigtime and it hurt like hell.
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Post by Slash on Oct 10, 2013 18:41:11 GMT -5
^^ Yeah, the way the show has gone, it's pushed people away on both sides. DEs having to be strung along (for a triangle) for so long and then the falling out with Stefan & Elena for SEs and the way she went in with Damon afterwards. People have just gotten sick of the way things have been handled which is why I don't care for the triangle to begin with. It's detrimental and it's gotten to a point where it's affecting viewership and the direction of the show IMO.
On the matter of last episode, I'm kind of surprised at how they presented Bonnie since I mentioned it in my rant earlier. 3 months have gone by and it's just now crossing her mind that her death freed Silas? That's a huge oversight on her part and I don't like it. She wants to keep her death a secret but her friends are still in danger. It's not like Bonnie to put herself over the group in that case (especially when she's out of harm's way in this situation).
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Post by Ruby on Oct 10, 2013 18:44:49 GMT -5
and if shes been on the other side none of her ancestors have mentioned hey Silas is out and abouut!
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Post by Anna on Oct 10, 2013 18:46:27 GMT -5
^^ Yeah, the way the show has gone, it's pushed people away on both sides. DEs having to be strung along (for a triangle) for so long and then the falling out with Stefan & Elena for SEs and the way she went in with Damon afterwards. People have just gotten sick of the way things have been handled which is why I don't care for the triangle to begin with. It's detrimental and it's gotten to a point where it's affecting viewership and the direction of the show IMO. On the matter of last episode, I'm kind of surprised at how they presented Bonnie since I mentioned it in my rant earlier. 3 months have gone by and it's just now crossing her mind that her death freed Silas? That's a huge oversight on her part and I don't like it. She wants to keep her death a secret but her friends are still in danger. It's not like Bonnie to put herself over the group in that case (especially when she's out of harm's way in this situation). Totally agree with everything! It seems so far-fetched that it slipped Bonnie's mind that she bound Silas by nature and considering how much of a danger that would be if he would escape ...LIKE HOW WASN'T IT ON HER MIND?
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Post by Slash on Oct 10, 2013 18:50:11 GMT -5
I think the writers enjoy keeping Bonnie looking incompetent as a Witch at times. I'm sure though given time, she could have come up with a long-term spell like Emily did for the Tomb Vampire seal and Quetzia (sp?) did for the original spell sealing Silas.
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Post by deb on Oct 29, 2013 19:24:26 GMT -5
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