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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 2:28:11 GMT -5
I guess I should put this here. I don't know if anyone talked about it, but TVD and The Originals are teaming up next season on Thursday nights. Personally, I don't love it, cause that's too much vampire drama in one night for me. I liked when they were apart cause it gave a bit of breathing room and allowed me to concentrate on one show at a time. It also allowed us to talk about each show separately, thereby giving them the attention they deserved. Now that they're on the same night, that's going to be harder to do. Even though The Originals is the better of the two, neither of them are great at the present moment, so teaming them up isn't necessarily doing anything worthwhile. This is clearly a desperation move by the powers-that-be, cause neither show is doing great in the ratings, and this was a last ditch effort to correct or slow down that trend. I guess ultimately it can't hurt, seeing that nothing they've done so far has worked. The true test though, is whether the storylines can become good again. That will be the deciding factor in all of this.
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Post by Kiki on May 28, 2015 11:27:24 GMT -5
I guess I should put this here. I don't know if anyone talked about it, but TVD and The Originals are teaming up next season on Thursday nights. Personally, I don't love it, cause that's too much vampire drama in one night for me. I liked when they were apart cause it gave a bit of breathing room and allowed me to concentrate on one show at a time. It also allowed us to talk about each show separately, thereby giving them the attention they deserved. Now that they're on the same night, that's going to be harder to do. Even though The Originals is the better of the two, neither of them are great at the present moment, so teaming them up isn't necessarily doing anything worthwhile. This is clearly a desperation move by the powers-that-be, cause neither show is doing great in the ratings, and this was a last ditch effort to correct or slow down that trend. I guess ultimately it can't hurt, seeing that nothing they've done so far has worked. The true test though, is whether the storylines can become good again. That will be the deciding factor in all of this. As for me I like to watch TVD and immediately afterwards talk about it with friends. I think many do the same and that's why shows which ran after TVD didn't do well so far. I am not sure about the situation now. Due to timezones I'm not a live viewer anyway but if I would have the chance to watch it live I'd still go to chatrooms or talk to friends about it immediately and DVR Originals. So if other fans are like me putting The Originals right after TVD might not be so good for their ratings. If I would have a word in it I would have put a completely different show after TVD. So one audience can leave and discuss on twitter and the next can come for the other show and both don't take viewers away from each other.
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Post by katvolley13 on May 28, 2015 15:04:00 GMT -5
I guess I should put this here. I don't know if anyone talked about it, but TVD and The Originals are teaming up next season on Thursday nights. Personally, I don't love it, cause that's too much vampire drama in one night for me. I liked when they were apart cause it gave a bit of breathing room and allowed me to concentrate on one show at a time. It also allowed us to talk about each show separately, thereby giving them the attention they deserved. Now that they're on the same night, that's going to be harder to do. Even though The Originals is the better of the two, neither of them are great at the present moment, so teaming them up isn't necessarily doing anything worthwhile. This is clearly a desperation move by the powers-that-be, cause neither show is doing great in the ratings, and this was a last ditch effort to correct or slow down that trend. I guess ultimately it can't hurt, seeing that nothing they've done so far has worked. The true test though, is whether the storylines can become good again. That will be the deciding factor in all of this. As for me I like to watch TVD and immediately afterwards talk about it with friends. I think many do the same and that's why shows which ran after TVD didn't do well so far. I am not sure about the situation now. Due to timezones I'm not a live viewer anyway but if I would have the chance to watch it live I'd still go to chatrooms or talk to friends about it immediately and DVR Originals. So if other fans are like me putting The Originals right after TVD might not be so good for their ratings. If I would have a word in it I would have put a completely different show after TVD. So one audience can leave and discuss on twitter and the next can come for the other show and both don't take viewers away from each other. I am thrilled. Really cw feels vamps are on their way out so if they put them all on one night then they know. Also the originals is way better than tvd right now so I will watch both talk on twitter in between. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 15:18:04 GMT -5
I guess I should put this here. I don't know if anyone talked about it, but TVD and The Originals are teaming up next season on Thursday nights. Personally, I don't love it, cause that's too much vampire drama in one night for me. I liked when they were apart cause it gave a bit of breathing room and allowed me to concentrate on one show at a time. It also allowed us to talk about each show separately, thereby giving them the attention they deserved. Now that they're on the same night, that's going to be harder to do. Even though The Originals is the better of the two, neither of them are great at the present moment, so teaming them up isn't necessarily doing anything worthwhile. This is clearly a desperation move by the powers-that-be, cause neither show is doing great in the ratings, and this was a last ditch effort to correct or slow down that trend. I guess ultimately it can't hurt, seeing that nothing they've done so far has worked. The true test though, is whether the storylines can become good again. That will be the deciding factor in all of this. As for me I like to watch TVD and immediately afterwards talk about it with friends. I think many do the same and that's why shows which ran after TVD didn't do well so far. I am not sure about the situation now. Due to timezones I'm not a live viewer anyway but if I would have the chance to watch it live I'd still go to chatrooms or talk to friends about it immediately and DVR Originals. So if other fans are like me putting The Originals right after TVD might not be so good for their ratings. If I would have a word in it I would have put a completely different show after TVD. So one audience can leave and discuss on twitter and the next can come for the other show and both don't take viewers away from each other. Exactly! I think it's a mistake for them to do this. Then again, it sort of makes sense... seeing that both shows are similar. And since the CW is in a transition from the supernatural/fantasy genre, they're tying their last remnants together in a nice bow so fans can concentrate on that aspect on the same night. Plus, the ratings are abysmal for both shows, so they're hoping that this team up will improve that a bit. What they're failing to realize is that the lack of quality storylines are responsible for the bad ratings, not being on different nights. Maybe things might improve somewhat with them being together, but I hardly see that being a dramatic increase, cause fans are fed up with TVD and the Originals had a lackluster season by most accounts. But I guess it never hurts to try; I'm sure things couldn't get any worse than they presently are.
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Post by demetra on May 28, 2015 17:52:04 GMT -5
I am wondering if there might be some relational strategy in having The Vampire Diaries precede The Originals next fall. Maybe they will occasionally align the story timelines? Also they could be lining up The Originals to go into Season Four alone in the Thursday night slot if TVD wraps up at the end of Season Seven.
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Post by katvolley13 on May 28, 2015 18:04:56 GMT -5
I am wondering if there might be some relational strategy in having The Vampire Diaries precede The Originals next fall. Maybe they will occasionally align the story timelines? Also they could be lining up The Originals to go into Season Four alone in the Thursday night slot if TVD wraps up at the end of Season Seven. Jp said no . She said on twitter one show has a time jump making it hard to do crossovers convienant! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:32:01 GMT -5
I am wondering if there might be some relational strategy in having The Vampire Diaries precede The Originals next fall. Maybe they will occasionally align the story timelines? Also they could be lining up The Originals to go into Season Four alone in the Thursday night slot if TVD wraps up at the end of Season Seven. Jp said no . She said on twitter one show has a time jump making it hard to do crossovers convienant! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I527 using proboards If JP used her brain she would have more crossovers, cause both shows could use it at this point. Nothing gratuitous, but certainly more than they've had so far. She's really missing out on that opportunity.
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2015 19:58:10 GMT -5
I am wondering if there might be some relational strategy in having The Vampire Diaries precede The Originals next fall. Maybe they will occasionally align the story timelines? Also they could be lining up The Originals to go into Season Four alone in the Thursday night slot if TVD wraps up at the end of Season Seven. Unfortunately no. JP has made her hatred of crossovers known, which is utterly ridiculous. The Flash and Arrow do it seamlessly, and Buffy and Angel also did some and it was effective (the shows at least acknowledged the others existence, whether it be a single character or a phone call, the storylines of each were mentioned) but for some reason JP acts like it is the most difficult thing in the world, even though TVD and TO are filmed in the came city (like the other shows I mentioned)...Apparently she hated being asked about crossovers so much it was one of her reasons for having one show have a time jump therefor there timelines can never match up for a crossover so she can't be asked about it again. It makes even less sense now that they are on back to back, a crossover would have been prefect and they could have made it a two hour event.
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Post by napoli on May 28, 2015 20:08:42 GMT -5
I am wondering if there might be some relational strategy in having The Vampire Diaries precede The Originals next fall. Maybe they will occasionally align the story timelines? Also they could be lining up The Originals to go into Season Four alone in the Thursday night slot if TVD wraps up at the end of Season Seven. Unfortunately no. JP has made her hatred of crossovers known, which is utterly ridiculous. The Flash and Arrow do it seamlessly, and Buffy and Angel also did some and it was effective (the shows at least acknowledged the others existence, whether it be a single character or a phone call, the storylines of each were mentioned) but for some reason JP acts like it is the most difficult thing in the world, even though TVD and TO are filmed in the came city (like the other shows I mentioned)...Apparently she hated being asked about crossovers so much it was one of her reasons for having one show have a time jump therefor there timelines can never match up for a crossover so she can't be asked about it again. It makes even less sense now that they are on back to back, a crossover would have been prefect and they could have made it a two hour event. I've been binge-watching The Flash, it's awesome as you already know, and when watching the crossovers I kept thinking how is it that these crossovers with The Flash and Arrow done so beautifully yet with TVD it fell flat? I don't watch TO so I can't comment on Tyler's visit with Klaus. The bottom line is that JP is just too busy with her other show to worry about doing a proper crossover. Look how hard it's been to get a good story line for each show so it makes sense that a crossover would be too much for them to handle.
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2015 20:15:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately no. JP has made her hatred of crossovers known, which is utterly ridiculous. The Flash and Arrow do it seamlessly, and Buffy and Angel also did some and it was effective (the shows at least acknowledged the others existence, whether it be a single character or a phone call, the storylines of each were mentioned) but for some reason JP acts like it is the most difficult thing in the world, even though TVD and TO are filmed in the came city (like the other shows I mentioned)...Apparently she hated being asked about crossovers so much it was one of her reasons for having one show have a time jump therefor there timelines can never match up for a crossover so she can't be asked about it again. It makes even less sense now that they are on back to back, a crossover would have been prefect and they could have made it a two hour event. I've been binge-watching The Flash, it's awesome as you already know, and when watching the crossovers I kept thinking how is it that these crossovers with The Flash and Arrow done so beautifully yet with TVD it fell flat? I don't watch TO so I can't comment on Tyler's visit with Klaus. The bottom line is that JP is just too busy with her other show to worry about doing a proper crossover. Look how hard it's been to get a good story line for each show so it makes sense that a crossover would be too much for them to handle. I think you kind of nailed it right there...the writers are barely competent at keeping the series coherent with their story arcs that trying to combine an arc between to two is just more than their talent can handle. But when put in more capable hands (like Berlanti/Kreisberg or Whedon) its effortless and fits in the theme of their respective shows without missing a beat. Plec seems to be an ideas person but has difficulty with implementing them or having the consistency needed to pull off longer arcs. She overcomplicates her stories.
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Post by napoli on May 28, 2015 20:47:44 GMT -5
I've been binge-watching The Flash, it's awesome as you already know, and when watching the crossovers I kept thinking how is it that these crossovers with The Flash and Arrow done so beautifully yet with TVD it fell flat? I don't watch TO so I can't comment on Tyler's visit with Klaus. The bottom line is that JP is just too busy with her other show to worry about doing a proper crossover. Look how hard it's been to get a good story line for each show so it makes sense that a crossover would be too much for them to handle. I think you kind of nailed it right there...the writers are barely competent at keeping the series coherent with their story arcs that trying to combine an arc between to two is just more than their talent can handle. But when put in more capable hands (like Berlanti/Kreisberg or Whedon) its effortless and fits in the theme of their respective shows without missing a beat. Plec seems to be an ideas person but has difficulty with implementing them or having the consistency needed to pull off longer arcs. She overcomplicates her stories. JP and KW were magic together. S1-3 proves that. JP has said in an interview that she spent all hours on TVD and it was just too much to maintain. She stepped back for 2 reasons. First, it was too much to maintain and she would've burned out. Second, she wants to build a brand so by the time TVD is finished she'll still have a career. Given the success of TVD and TO she has the clout to get more shows on the air. The more shows she gets on the air successfully the better for her. The part about branding was mentioned in a radio interview. Offhand, I can't remember which folder the link is in but she mentioned how she wanted to have a slew of shows like Shonda Rhimes. I think JP just over extended herself. If she was more involved in TVD it would be better. If KW came back the combo of the two would be phenomenal. I don't mean to place all the blame on CD but she has said in an interview that the mythology of TVD isn't her strong suit. That's a pretty big aspect of TVD not to fully grasp so it's no wonder it's not executed well.
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Post by demetra on May 28, 2015 20:54:23 GMT -5
I am wondering if there might be some relational strategy in having The Vampire Diaries precede The Originals next fall. Maybe they will occasionally align the story timelines? Also they could be lining up The Originals to go into Season Four alone in the Thursday night slot if TVD wraps up at the end of Season Seven. Unfortunately no. JP has made her hatred of crossovers known, which is utterly ridiculous. The Flash and Arrow do it seamlessly, and Buffy and Angel also did some and it was effective (the shows at least acknowledged the others existence, whether it be a single character or a phone call, the storylines of each were mentioned) but for some reason JP acts like it is the most difficult thing in the world, even though TVD and TO are filmed in the came city (like the other shows I mentioned)...Apparently she hated being asked about crossovers so much it was one of her reasons for having one show have a time jump therefor there timelines can never match up for a crossover so she can't be asked about it again. It makes even less sense now that they are on back to back, a crossover would have been prefect and they could have made it a two hour event. I think Julie Plec could do it were she writing the shows herself. But that ship has more or less sailed. I liked every episode she's actually written. I think the complication is harnessing two TVD-based teams of writers while showrunning three series. What I wonder is: did she pull her A Team off The Originals to bring talent to Containment? Maybe the poor folks The Originals will suddenly find themselves where TVD has been for the past two years -- and they will need each other. I still only care about TVD but Paul Wesley might get a kick about turning up for Klaus and Elijah. I remember it being Caroline Dries who said that mythology was not her strong suit. Julie Plec created the entire world of The Originals.
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Post by crimmyj on May 28, 2015 23:10:47 GMT -5
I think you kind of nailed it right there...the writers are barely competent at keeping the series coherent with their story arcs that trying to combine an arc between to two is just more than their talent can handle. But when put in more capable hands (like Berlanti/Kreisberg or Whedon) its effortless and fits in the theme of their respective shows without missing a beat. Plec seems to be an ideas person but has difficulty with implementing them or having the consistency needed to pull off longer arcs. She overcomplicates her stories. JP and KW were magic together. S1-3 proves that. JP has said in an interview that she spent all hours on TVD and it was just too much to maintain. She stepped back for 2 reasons. First, it was too much to maintain and she would've burned out. Second, she wants to build a brand so by the time TVD is finished she'll still have a career. Given the success of TVD and TO she has the clout to get more shows on the air. The more shows she gets on the air successfully the better for her. The part about branding was mentioned in a radio interview. Offhand, I can't remember which folder the link is in but she mentioned how she wanted to have a slew of shows like Shonda Rhimes. I think JP just over extended herself. If she was more involved in TVD it would be better. If KW came back the combo of the two would be phenomenal. I don't mean to place all the blame on CD but she has said in an interview that the mythology of TVD isn't her strong suit. That's a pretty big aspect of TVD not to fully grasp so it's no wonder it's not executed well. And that is the problem...she overextends herself. She needs to build a strong base in order to expand which means having a long lasting and capable team backing her up, but instead she spreads her talented writers too thin. A showrunner is only as good as their writers. Narducci is capable at TO, because they have a clearer vision, but Dries is not cut out for showrunning...she should stick to writing single episodes and not controlling the overall message. And Julie may want Shonda's success but one thing Shonda does that Plec does not is have a clear vision AND absolutely does not cater to fan service. In that regard Julie is the anti-Shonda. Shonda has straight up said, its my show, I know where I want to take my story and my characters and I dont care what the fans want, I will give them a good story and they can decide whether or not they want to come along for the ride. Julie caters to fan polls and shipping wars, she lets what the fans want dictate tempo and direction.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 23:00:24 GMT -5
crimmyj: "I don't necessarily think it would be disrespectful to have Bamon become a thing. Feelings change between people all the time, especially with distance (time in this case) between people...no matter how much two people love each other. That is just realistic. Good writers could totally pull it off. Anyone one of us in here could write a story to pull it off. Remember Stefan and Elena were once soulmates..."it will always be Stefan" ...until it wasn't. Then it was Damon. and for Damon it was always going to be Katherine...until it wasn't." Of course it would be disrespectful for Bamon to "become a thing." How can you not see that? Elena is Bonnie's best friend, and no matter the length of time, her and Damon are still in a relationship, and Bonnie would be violating that relationship if her and Damon were to get together. Yes, feelings change over time, but unless DE ended their relationship (which they didn't) or Elena gave explicit instructions that Damon could date other people, I don't see how this isn't cheating on their parts. What the writers should have done -- if they had any guts -- was to end DE by either sending Elena off or killing her, thereby opening up room for Bamon to get closer and eventually into a relationship. But clearly they didn't do that, and now everything is in a holding pattern, neither moving backwards or forwards. It's really disappointing, cause they had a golden opportunity here, but they blew it. So the Bamon fans that are hoping and praying for a relationship will be disappointed, cause I don't see it happening.
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Post by demetra on May 30, 2015 15:10:34 GMT -5
Well, maybe Bamon is not a romantic relationship but a real friendship for Damon as Stefan and Lexi were true friends. If anyone could use a real female friend, it is Damon. Also, Elena is in a crate for 60 years or more. The fact that Damon waited for Katherine for 145 years was not to the exclusion of other relationships. He's Damon! Bonnie does not take any of his crap. It is good for Damon to have that in his life.
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